They did they steal it from Vista???
:shrug: the main way of stopping Malware it to stop people being morons, i.e. would you let a dodgy guy to look around your house if you didn't trust him?
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:shrug: the main way of stopping Malware it to stop people being morons, i.e. would you let a dodgy guy to look around your house if you didn't trust him?
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It does wonderful things like telling me when I should upgrade my malware app for maximum effectiveness!
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It does wonderful things like telling me when I should upgrade my malware app for maximum effectiveness!
(Details on what VirusRanger can do for you too are listed here! http://www.emsisoft.com/en/malware/?Adware.Win32.VirusRanger) ;-)
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Its a pity there are so many things to cater to people new to computers, with no way to turn them off...
Isn't this what this whole post is about, that Vista treats its users like morons? So what does Leopard do now?
EDIT: BTW, what was the last piece of malware that got installed on OSX?
At least in Vista you can turn off the Cancel Or Allow messages, OSX has so many switchers coming, Apple decided they need extra anti-stupid security (though you can still rename the Home folder) but as usual, there is nothing to stop those irritating messages...
The UAC in Vista is not really the same as authenticating in OS-X at all though.
The UAC just asks if it's okay to do "X" it's not really a security feature, it just looks like a security feature. The authentication in OS-X doesn't bother you unless it's a serious security issue, then it won't do squat until you prove that you are admin. That's how a security feature is supposed to work.
The post that started this thread is a perfect example.
The UAC is getting in the way of a simple thing like a user plugging in a mouse. A mouse is not a security risk, but even if it was some kind of uber-secret "spy mouse" that sucked all the data out of your system, if you click the "allow" button it goes right ahead and does that anyway.
How is that more secure? Their tag-line should be:
"Microsoft's UAC - Useless for security, but able to get in your way more effectively than real security."
I never thought of it that way.
Not sure if this would matter or not, but its odd that OSX doesn't prompt you when you install it, it prompts you after its installed and you try to launch the application. That seems kind of odd to me.
BTW I have no problem with Vista and no problem with Leopard. I do have problems when someone wants to criticize one without looking at the other's flaws though -- which I why I was bringing up these personal problems I see with Leopard.
Read his final editorial. He bashes Vista and then quips about switching to Linux.
I told my system administrator at work that. I asked him why we haven't switched to Vista... it must just be a matter of switching wallpapers and adjusting drivers, right? He just stared at me dumbfounded and told me to "get back to work".
I'm not saying Vista is a "bad" operating system, but that ease of adoption and the foot-dragging of third party support has made for a very unpleasant turnover in many cases (if, for example, you use certain third party software or have a complex network). I don't even agree that minimal tweaking is required for home users, considering how even some basic things like some of the free games on Steam won't run, and a lot of older peripherals won't either. Vista just doesn't have the built in compatibility to run a lot of third-party software and hardware, and aren't offering a basic or work-around solution. Unless you're upgrading everything with your OS purchase, you're going to run into some headaches, and nearly a year out of the gate I just don't think that makes for a "good" OS.
How do you not get the same problems as everyone else? I've used a friend's Vista laptop and it prompts you all the time. I don't understand how on forums there's always someone who seems to avoid the problems that are just part of the OS.
That's a really good point. I think they do need to focus on little things like that. I mean, I would never understand why a Windows user would think they could rename that folder, when you couldn't even try it on a PC (In use!) but something like that is inexcusable.
I assume there must be a way to designate "this is a safe app, I trust it" an turn those messages off.
This message is actually quite a good thing -- it stops the "stealth execution" attack vector -- where you download what you think is a document, have Safari automatically open it, and then it runs without a main window or indication that it is hosing your system, and can piggyback on another privilege escalation request.
Having a window pop up saying "Application <X> is an untrusted application, are you sure you want to let it run?" may be the only indication you get.
Couple that with the Code Signing that eliminates the need for those messages saying "this has changed, do you want to authorize it again?" and what you have is a system that over the long run reduces the number of prompts and messages, while nicely concentrating on the actual danger point.
I'd consider that a good thing ... enhanced security, while simplifying the process.
Incidentally that warning is triggerred by the com.apple.quarantine metadata that is now added, its a nice example of how arbitrary metadata can be used to track information.
It happens only once with each app you install. I only download from trusted sources, so I am happy without it...
Then you can take solace in the fact that even if this is annoying, the total number of prompts you will get over the life of an app will be less ... it's still a net gain for you
First, I work smart - part of which is that I don't fully trust myself either on the Mac or the PC. Which is why I give myself standard user rights on both platforms. The architecture of both Vista and OSX means that you should not, under normal circumstances need to give yourself administrative access.
Once you're working in this mode, the prompts for OSX and Vista are not wholly dissimilar.
It's not a 'problem of the OS' per se. It's knowing how to use it. True, OSX makes it a little less of a no-brainer, but requiring less neurons to use / understand a certain process was never an attraction for me.
Restricting yourself like that is good practive. Less chance of doing something you shouldn't or the computer doing something it shouldn't.
However on Vista there are too many UAC prompts. I can handle the amount of prompts that OSX gives me, but Vista just started to get annoying. I don't want to click accept three times just to delete a file on my external drive. I don't want to click accept to look at my network settings. What's worse is that you click accept to look at the network settings and then you get another UAC prompt when you change them!
If i could disable some of the prompts i'd turn UAC back on, but until then it is staying off. They will probably perfect it over time.
However i do think vista is a nice OS. The more i use it, the more i find XP more limiting. From a pure performance standpoint XP wins hands down, but Vista is a nicer experience (when you turn UAC off).
ugh. i've had so much problems with PC in the past. if it doesn't work right out of the box for me then its just not worth it
