Vista x7 versions

[SummerBreeze]

Wow, the sign in the picture says that I can check email AND browse the web on Vista. How very revolutionary....

Why not just throw away every edition, and try to make ONE that works decently? Although it is nice to see Microsoft shooting themselves in the proverbial foot, I'd love to see Apple gain more market share.

 

[snkTab]

I hate this type of crap from Microsoft. They develop something and then they restrict who gets it on . Just like how MS Outlook 2000 would let you do a lot of project management stuff but they took it out of 2003 to make you buy Sharepoint. The stupid thing is... everything is done by MS Exchange Server they just disable Outlook from using it.

Now it seems they are going to be giving people the shaft when they buy PCs. Do you think with the current cost cutting in the PC maker market that your computer will come installed with anything but Windows Starter Edition.

Just don't blame me when you try to play solitaire and a dialog box pops up that says "This feature is from Windows Vista Enterprise Edition, to purchase click here." As if windows didnt have this feature eons ago.

 

[Diatribe]

I hate this type of crap from Microsoft. They develop something and then they restrict who gets it on.

You mean just like Apple cripples Quicktime?

Seriously, Apple has it's share of bad business moves too but this is unprecedented. Microsoft will fall hard with this strategy.

 

[iAlan]

This was in another thread which was closed after I posted it...so here it is again!!

The following is not a justification for M$ confusing and maybe questionable practice but an idea as to why...

I think the reason for a slimmed down and cheaper version in emerging markets is that the 'full' version is too expensive for your average user so pirated versions are popular due to their lower cost. IF M$ discount the full version in emerging markets the products may find their way to other markets at a cheaper price.

I think this is true, but the slimmed down version is crap so users will still opt for he pirated full version - M$ have made no attempt to manage the pirate software isses, they have only decided that people will pay less for a non-pirated version if it were available - and this is assuming a lot. The offering is not attractive so for the same price (or cheaper) a pirated version offers full functionality.

I liken it to illegal downloads - just because iTMS and other music services are available doesn't mean everyone will buy rather than download from a 'friend' halfway around the world!

 

[MisterMe]

You mean just like Apple cripples Quicktime?

Seriously, Apple has it's share of bad business moves too but this is unprecedented. Microsoft will fall hard with this strategy.

Ah, no. The Pro version of the QuickTime player contains functions that did not exist when there was only the free version. Back then, you could not play .mpg files in the QuickTime player unless you used a third-party utility to convert them to .mov. The QuickTime player most certainly did not have the ability to create movies before the Pro version was released. The advent of QuickTime Pro provides real benefits for those who need them. If all you want is to play AV files fullscreen, there are AppleScripts that enable this functionality in the free QuickTime player.

 

[dollystereo]

I want my ultra basic with no features Windows Hasta la Vista Edition!!!!

 

[DavidLeblond]

I love it how the basic Home Edition doesn't even have the friggin' Windows Vista interface. How pathetic is that?

The only reason they're releasing 7 versions is so they can inflate the price of the "Ultimate edition" (ie the only version worth a damn) and sell the useless (and I do mean useless) "Home edition" for close to the price of OS X and then say "Oh ho ho! We matched Apple's price!"

And the sad thing is, it'll probably work.

 

[iAlan]

I want my ultra basic with no features Windows Hasta la Vista Edition!!!!

Hardy har har har....

 

[Diatribe]

Ah, no. The Pro version of the QuickTime player contains functions that did not exist when there was only the free version. Back then, you could not play .mpg files in the QuickTime player unless you used a third-party utility to convert them to .mov. The QuickTime player most certainly did not have the ability to create movies before the Pro version was released. The advent of QuickTime Pro provides real benefits for those who need them. If all you want is to play AV files fullscreen, there are AppleScripts that enable this functionality in the free QuickTime player.

I was talking about full screen and saving...

 

[RobHague]

http://digitaldj.net/pdc05/

New Build. It says Beta2 as well - this is a worry because normally by the 2nd beta the interface is pretty much what it will be like in the Rc builds and then the final... it looks like XP with a SideBar still... . Maybe it was just me expecting Microsoft to dump 'Start' and find a new way.

btw check out the minimizing and restoring windows .mov it seems spookily familular. Oh right yes thats the Scale option from the Dock.

 

[SummerBreeze]

That's why I'm going to stop upgrading my windows pc. Who needs a more expensive, worse version of windows when a) my mac does everything eight thousand times better and b) I can just downlaod an ugly skin and presto! I have windows vista super cheap edition.

 

[MisterMe]

I was talking about full screen and saving...

Yes, I understand that. "Full screen and saving" did not exist as a QuickTime player feature before QuickTime Pro.

 

[Tahko]

You mean just like Apple cripples Quicktime?

Hey hey, my stepfathers QT pro code from the year sword & shield qorks fine on my QT 7. Mikroshits 95 code wont work on their latest update. Vista, that is.

 

[mkrishnan]

Hey hey, my stepfathers QT pro code from the year sword & shield qorks fine on my QT 7. Mikroshits 95 code wont work on their latest update. Vista, that is.

Okay, so I know your English is much better than that.

Are you saying a pre 7.x QT Pro code worked for your stepfather when he upgraded to QT 7? I was under the impression that many users here on MR were complaining that this was not the case, and that their license for QT Pro 6 did not work in Tiger.... ()

 

[maya]

I believe this is more targeted towards OEM and they consumers. Think about it, Dell can offer a bare bone PC and with the bare bone Vista OS. Since the PC is bare bone, its granted that you cannot author HD on it.

So then you have your one step up from bare bone PC, and you have a version of Vista that will take advantage of the Hardware. It makes sense, for the love of Pete, I am agreeing with M$ on this one.

All in all, if 7 versions are sold on the self to consumers is insane, the printing, publishing, and distribution of 7 versions will put M$ in ruin (which is not really a bad thing )

All this is in the hopes to making more $$$ for M$ & Co. duh!!, However it also bring new HW products to the market and more choice for the companies who manufacture these products, rather than to contact M$ and say we need an OS that can do this and this and not this and that, can you do this for us.

I made sense of what M$ is doing, I must be intoxicated.

 

[Tahko]

Okay, so I know your English is much better than that.

Are you saying a pre 7.x QT Pro code worked for your stepfather when he upgraded to QT 7? I was under the impression that many users here on MR were complaining that this was not the case, and that their license for QT Pro 6 did not work in Tiger.... ()

well yeah screqw my spelling for the moment, it's fukking 3.33 in finland. AM for you yankees, that is. and I just arrived from just another drinking fest. and it's monday. os that abou my spelling.

qt pro licence I have is from qt 5 or something even older, so its really old. it just works, so screw that too. my stepfather had the code stored unbtil these days when I picked ibook and thought that thjis plastic piece of poo rocks and interrogated him to give his coeed he didnt nee d anyway so here i am.

dunno why soe m work n some not, your hadeeache pall!

nighty night, sleep tight and watch for transvestites passing by!

 

[maya]

You mean just like Apple cripples Quicktime?

Seriously, Apple has it's share of bad business moves too but this is unprecedented. Microsoft will fall hard with this strategy.

Depends, if they ship 7 versions to a store, its going to be expensive. However if its to an OEM, etc... like Dell, M$ stands to make money. Including small and medium business.

This is a move by M$ to concentrate on more stressing factors like security, and time to patch them in a timely fashion.

 

[maya]

I hate this type of crap from Microsoft. They develop something and then they restrict who gets it on . Just like how MS Outlook 2000 would let you do a lot of project management stuff but they took it out of 2003 to make you buy Sharepoint. The stupid thing is... everything is done by MS Exchange Server they just disable Outlook from using it.

Now it seems they are going to be giving people the shaft when they buy PCs. Do you think with the current cost cutting in the PC maker market that your computer will come installed with anything but Windows Starter Edition.

Just don't blame me when you try to play solitaire and a dialog box pops up that says "This feature is from Windows Vista Enterprise Edition, to purchase click here." As if windows didnt have this feature eons ago.

My question is, What does M$ consider basic, and up?

This solution is great for companies, and to a fraction consumers. Think about it, if you have a 5 year old PC, and cannot run the Full version of Vista, you will be happy if it runs some basic features such as Email, and Web, Play Music. Its cheaper for you, since the hardware is not up to par with the current. Some people can afford to upgrade they HW others do not, and still like to be current. (sheep follow).

Pricing and Features will either keep it afloat or sink.

 

[maya]

Wow, the sign in the picture says that I can check email AND browse the web on Vista. How very revolutionary....

It is if you have a tablet PC, or some other small device. Don't remember the last time someone tried to encode HD on a web tablet.

Why not just throw away every edition, and try to make ONE that works decently? Although it is nice to see Microsoft shooting themselves in the proverbial foot, I'd love to see Apple gain more market share.

Apple targets the creative mind, thus iLife. And that is the reason why they OS cannot be limited. If Apple made a handheld, they would make the OS much much lighter like M$ has a mobile version. However Apple and no one else in the market makes an Apple Tablet that you can only use to surf, and email. So there is no real reason for Apple to take this approach.

If you even notice Apple try to convince the consumer to buy the top end model, look at X.4 Server. Out of the box you cannot install X.4 Server on a Mac mini, or even a PowerBook. You have to have either a PM or Xserve.

 

[Tahko]

maya:
what about embedding kinda system resources detection on installer phase, whic then decides to leave that stupid eyecandy on other dvd. I've seen that done on linux... in 1999

 

[maya]

maya:
what about embedding kinda system resources detection on installer phase, whic then decides to leave that stupid eyecandy on other dvd. I've seen that done on linux... in 1999

Also similar as to how Apple has the iLife and other extensions on another CD or DVD.

M$ is trying to make the OS look and feel new, and removing the eye candy would make consumers think, why even bother upgrading when I can just use Win2k instead.

I know many friends and family for that matter that love XP, for one reason and one reason only, EYE CANDY. Even though M$ has the option to have the old theme, people will choose the Eye Candy any day. That is one of the reason why OS X is so appealing as well.

You stare at your OS all day long, the last thing you want to do is look at border-less shells.

linux users are different in the sense that they get high on the geek part of it, you average linux users is not the average PC user. $$$ wise you make more $$$ with average consumers than with geeky linux users. No offense to any linux or geeks out there.

 

[Diatribe]

Yes, I understand that. "Full screen and saving" did not exist as a QuickTime player feature before QuickTime Pro.

You don't get my point. I'm just saying there are feature that should be in the regular version of a product.

 

[Diatribe]

Depends, if they ship 7 versions to a store, its going to be expensive. However if its to an OEM, etc... like Dell, M$ stands to make money. Including small and medium business.

This is a move by M$ to concentrate on more stressing factors like security, and time to patch them in a timely fashion.

Yeah, you're right. Shipping 7 different versions would be bad but having one that could be unlocked would also be bad. How long would it take for someone to have the code to unlock ultimate ed.?

 

[MisterMe]

You don't get my point. I'm just saying there are feature that should be in the regular version of a product.

I get your point clearly. You are hardly the first person to advocate it as a search of this forum will bear out. My point is that Apple did not cripple the QuickTime player. It added functionality for which it charges you. Look, we would all like everything free. But corporations will are loathe to spend $1 billions for R&D and then give away the fruits of their investment. It is your choice to pay the asking price.

 

[Diatribe]

I get your point clearly. You are hardly the first person to advocate it as a search of this forum will bear out. My point is that Apple did not cripple the QuickTime player. It added functionality for which it charges you. Look, we would all like everything free. But corporations will are loathe to spend $1 billions for R&D and then give away the fruits of their investment. It is your choice to pay the asking price.

Crippling doesn't mean you have to take something away... it means not offering something which is standard. Look around you saving and full screen IS standard. All the other companies' media players offer at least full screen.
This is crippling. Making you pay for what should be a standard feature. I'd hardly call that "functionality" but rather a "necessity". I bet full screen and saving takes a huge bite out of those billions of dollars of their R&D...
I do have pro and I love it but I this fanboism to justify Apple's every move isn't what will change anything. But if you're content with that, lemme chime in and repeat after me: Apple is great, Apple is right, Apple is everything...