They could make the screen a fraction of a fraction of an inch thicker. That looks like they need what… maybe a millimeter? Who is going to notice a 1- millimeter thicker screen? Okay… everyone on this forum would notice, but would the general public? Probably not.
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Vivo’s X80 Pro Takes Fingerprint Sensor Tech to the Next Level as Apple Remains Focused on Face ID
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I’ll use an external monitor for working on Excel sheets and Word documents, yea. But my MacBook is always also open running a sorta jenky dual-screen situation. I never just close my MacBook completely and run only the external monitor. If I wanted to do that, I’d just buy a Mac Mini
Yes! Not everyone’s phone lives in their hand and is always being directly stared at. These people who are saying “what can be easier that looking at your phone to unlock it?” obviously have never put their phone down for two seconds and gotten a text or email they wanted to just quickly check without having to stop everything they are doing to pick their phone back up and look directly at it at when they could simply just rest their finger on a scanner and it would unlock with the minimalist of effort
I can just glance at my phone when a text comes in and see it on the Lock Screen, or when I’m driving and ask for directions I just look at the phone with a quick glance and I’m back at it.
You don’t have to touch the phone in every scenario
Vivo is part of BBK group, which owns Oppo, Realme, and OnePlus brands as well. And they're huge. When you combined all those brands, they're like number 2 in marketshare.
These companies can seemingly come up with latest tech simply because the models with those tech actually doesn't sell a lot. Their main sellers are their mid-low end models. Thus they can use whatever latest tech not made in volume yet. With Apple, their main sellers are their flagships. Thus if Apple wanted to put a new tech, the component maker must be able to produce it in iPhone level volume, which is a lot more. So I don't think it's not Apple not doing it, it's just that whatever component they decided on, they would have to ensure that it's mature enough to be able to be produced in volume that Apple needs.
I never understood this argument. First of all, why do some of you people act like touching your phone is such an abhorrent thing to do? That’s so weird.
Second, you still have to touch your screen to swipe up on the lock screen anyway so what does it matter if you’re swiping up or holding your finger in one spot to unlock your phone? They both take about the same amount of time.
Expanding Face ID to other products like... the iPad Air? No. That new feature is Touch ID (within the power button).
Ah. Now I remember. It's the new Magic Keyboard with Face ID. Carp. That's Touch ID too.
Alright. It must be the new MacBook Air and MacBook Pro. It's gotta be. Apple Silicon and Face ID, right? What??? Touch ID too!?!?
The new M1 iMac? Nope.
Americans work a lot more hours than most folks in other developed countries on average, including white collar work. And the GP whos assumption you’re buying is wrong: Vivo isnt a new fly by night player, they’re 13 years old and owned by the same massive conglomerate that owns Oppo and OnePlus.
There’s a lot of experience making phones there, and the designs tend to filter up to be white labelable for more recognizable brands.
The parent company is a massive competitors to Apple overall, esp as an OEM and consultant.
This isnt a question of some intrinsic difference in work ethic, it’s another large experienced and well staffed and funded company doing some nice innovation
That seems terrible honestly, I want biometrics on my laptop that require an action on my part on my laptop
Two problems: a lot of folks, including myself, keep a lens cover on their webcam. Especially with WFH I prefer to *know* when I’m on camera and not have it turn on accidentally when, say, I just jumped on to my morning meeting after working out and am gross AF or etc.
Also I dock my work laptop in clamshell mode and use multiple external screens, but a laptop allows portability and to be able to work away from my desk so a mini isnt an option. I’m not alone and Apple knows this. FaceID would be useless for me at my desk, but the new keyboard with touchID is great (though I type on a mechanical keyboard so I just keep the Apple keyboard on the desk for touchID plus wireless if I want to sit back in my chair). I guess Apple could make a new standalone iSight camera that supports faceID but they havent done that yet and it would have the same problem with a lens cover.
So what are you expecting Apple to do to innovate then?
I mean, it seems like you’re really not happy with anything, let alone this years iPhone that’s not even been released yet and you’re already shaming it. I don’t think consumers share your mindset typically, when Apple has always been very conservative with releasing updates for their iPhones. It’s more of a maturity process than it is a ‘groundbreaking’ new feature every single year.
Think about it. If everybody was upset with the iPhone as you are, then the iPhone wouldn’t be as popular as it is. I don’t think the iPhone needs to have a ‘groundbreaking feature’ every year to be relevant in terms of offering a fluid experience.
For the record, I suspect the word ‘innovation’ is often mistaken and is a maturity aspect that takes time, it’s not something that happens every year in the tech industry. Maybe that’s something you have a fundamental misunderstanding of.
I understood the point you were trying to make, but what I’m saying is that both could be true at the same time. Apple could be both withholding a change because of greed or because they couldn’t find a supplier that could produce good components at their scale. OLED was a good example. The year the iPhone X came out OEMs like Google had to settle for poorer quality panels because Apple bought up all the capacity for higher quality ones. If manufacturers can scale up their production as easily as you say, these other phones would have all used the better panels for their flagships.
Same for me.
I thought I would hate FaceID after using and loving TouchID for over 5 years.
But no... I definitely prefer FaceID. It works so seamlessly for me.
They did work well at their purpose: limiting spread speed to keep hospitals from getting completely overwhelmed. It would have helped in the US if we'd had actual lockdowns of course, we never actually did, but the restrictions we did have worked well in areas they were implemented where there was political pressure to totally neuter them.
(I do realize this probably counts as an offtopic reply so if an admin has to delete this comment I'm sorry I gave you more work)
Vivo is part of a greater company that also makes Oppo, OnePlus and RealMe (and probably others) phone targeting different segments of the market as opposed to Apple's "Apple's size fits all" policy. They make great phones although they're not for me… probably because they are more aimed at the China market.
The ultrasonic fingerprint sensor in use here has been developed by Qualcomm and is a newer and much larger generation than what Samsung are using in their S-series phones. There may be a number of reasons why Samsung have been sticking to the older, and smaller, FPS to date such as size and cost (both licensing fees and manufacturing) amongst other things. For its physical size the Vivo has a relatively small battery so that might be part of it.
And why does Apple not go with an in-display FPS… probably a mix of cost (patents etc can get very expensive) to do it, the space required to implement one (flagships are quite densely packed devices so to add something you're generally taking something away) and Apple simply wanting to push/force people into FaceID (FaceID is the best in the game so why not "encourage" its adoptions and use). Probably similar reasons why the iPhone doesn't have USB-C. Its a choice and not a matter of ability… Apple are more than capable.
But guess what, your iPhone 11 will still be supported with software updates long after that Vivo phone. Vivo never upgrade the Android version of their low-mid-range phones, and their flagships only receive one Android version upgrade, and that’s it.
So YMMV in who you think is more “innovative.”
I have a feeling that there is an inherent lack of support for more than one secure biometric in iOS as well. Might be related to security also, that having two biometrics with one that is less secure made no sense.
It's true. Americans work harder than Europeans for sure. This is reflected in American companies having more success.
All the success Chinese companies are having is deserved. They definitely work much harder than Americans.
Seriously, what is not to understand? Not sure how you use your phone but me I am constantly going throw apps and sites that require authentication (lots of log ins with key chain, lost of apps that are set to use Face ID as a form of authentication) Now WHY ON EARTH would I want to constantly be touching the touch ID button or a part of the screen? That becomes tiresome very quick, especially once you get used to forget about it, like you do with Face ID. The less I interact with the screen by touching it, the better. You people do not understand that this is not just about unlocking the phone.
There is absolutely not even one reason why touch ID would be better than Face ID for me (and perhaps millions others) Not even one. With Face ID I just use the phone and forget that Face ID even exists. Touch ID used to be nightmare, especially with moist fingers.
If only we lived in a world where people could protect themselves better with something like vaccines…
FaceID is really convenient. But would like to see FaceID working from more angles. I think Apple will bring TouchID under the screen some time in the future. So iPhone would have both FaceID and TouchID!
Then why is TouchID supported on Macs and not FaceID? If TouchID is inherently less secure then surely they could have fit FaceID into the MBPs and especially iMacs. The argument that TouchID is less secure makes no sense given it is implemented, and continues to be implemented, in new product.