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Question for Mac users, since Catalina has been famously buggy, what's the last best stable MacOS version?


I have a co-worker who is on High-Sierra.

His iMac came with it, I assume, and that's what he's sticking with.

I do use the latest iOS on my iPhone - but mostly because they never patch previous versions on hardware that supports the latest version and it's damn near impossible or incredibly annoying to try to not upgrade iOS.
 
I'm running a Late 2015 27" iMac with Catalina version 10.15.6 and the latest version of VMWare Fusion. No problems to report, and I don't reboot that often, either. Now, with that can said, I can confirm I've had issues with VirtualBox, but VirtualBox has had issues on macs long before Catalina.

I just updated my windows 10 VM yesterday, and my Linux VMs today, without issues. For Me, Catalina has been pretty rock solid past the first initial releases which had the new release bugs. For me, it was a combination of Apple's bugs, and third party apps, that hadn't yet been updated, or optimized for Catalina.

Just FYI: I usually can go a month, or two without a reboot, now with that said I usually do, because of updates, or something else that requires it, or just to clean memory, cache, etc.
 
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I've had a Windows 10 VM running for 10 days straight under 10.15.6 with latest VMWare Fusion. No issues so far, memory usage is typical. Will keep eye out for any weirdness but doesn't seem like this bug affects everyone, or every kind of VM anyway.

A Windows machine with an uptime of 10 days? MSFT really has come a long way!

I'm on Catalina, wish I stayed on Mojave. El Cap & High Sierra were pretty solid for me ... Apple's QA has gone downhill in many ways in recent years, especially on the desktop. :(
 
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I'm on a Mac mini with the latest VMware (which exploits the sandbox) and now VMware use makes my machine panic. I reboot my VMs a fair amount (part of testing), plus it is the latest VMware which would use the latest MacOS features like sandboxing. I really hope there's a supplemental-update that fixes this. Someone said they think everyone's on Big Sur duty now, which might explain some of the lapses that plague Catalina.

(edit) I wonder what VMware revision those who are running on Catalina are using? That would be useful data, especially from those who have not encountered problems. Mine is Version 11.5.5 (16269456).
 
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Yup, my Mac Mini also locked up over night while my VMware was on. Now I have to shut it off at night so I can't log on to work on it. Terrible. Hopefully Apple issues and update soon.
 
The problem isn't specific to VMware: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=99161
The bug is in the operating system, not in Fusion.

Of course, BUT the MacOS feature, the sandbox, might be something not used by older versions of VMware, AND I think I saw some reports earlier that "My VMware + Catalina is working fine", which makes me wonder if those reports are using pre-sandbox-exploiting versions of VMware.
 
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I've been bitten multiple times by this one. It sucks. I have to use Windoze VM for work - or worse, agree to let them manage my Mac. Not a chance for the latter one!

A few minutes ago I had to hard cycle my 16" because Fusion went bonkers yet again.

Here's another "Hopefully fixed in Big Sur" user. :-/
 
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Catalina...the gift that keeps on giving.

I can't help but wonder how much this issue is only affected in combination with virtual environments. Is there other software that could be as problematic?
 
This release has been a mess running VMs under Virtualbox. I ran two VMs on an old Macbook Pro, one with Home Assistant and one with a PBX system. Since installing this release, the box rebooted several times a day. Tried moving the VMs to run on an old Mac Mini and had the same results. Not good.
 
Snow Leopard. Every MacRumors user's favorite $29 update to macOS.
Mountain Lion was also pretty decent, IIRC.

Windows 10 ARM can't run Windows x86 apps. Intel has it's lawyers on the ready if Microsoft ever pulls the trigger. Now can Apple legally do this? Maybe. The reason Apple never went to AMD was that Intel and Apple made an agreement to share CPU patents. Apple bought over the multimedia patents from the PowerPC chips.
What legal leverage does Intel have over Microsoft, pray tell? Also, no, as a matter of fact WoA can run x86 (as in, x86-32) apps, albeit with a performance penalty. And as for that patent sharing agreement, do post relevant links. As far as I can remember, the only thing Intel did was give Apple advance access to certain chips, and allow Apple to somewhat influence them on their designs.

True. The following is the reason for my reply:
I hope so. Unfortunately, it may be of little use to Mac users needing to run x86 Windows software; the ARM version of Windows performs atrociously in this respect, even on native hardware:

"If the Flex 5G’s maddeningly slow performance isn’t enough to scare you off, its horrific software compatibility issues will certainly do the trick. Thanks to the limitations of Windows 10 on ARM, which can only run native ARM64 applications (which are rare to non-existent) plus 32-bit Intel x86 desktop applications in emulation, an entire world of software compatibility is cut off to you. And this will impact anyone who tries to use this PC."

(My emphasis; source: https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/238321/lenovo-flex-5g-review )
Exactly. Now, the million dollar questions are: why is performance so atrocious, when Apple managed to get it to an acceptable level with Rosetta 2 (perhaps because it relies in on-the-fly translation, kind of like Rosetta [1]?), and if and when will they also offer the same compatibility layer for x86-64. Maybe if Apple starts kicking Intel, AMD and Qualcomm’s collective asses and Microsoft realizes they must get WoA and their custom SoCs to a competitive level?
 
I am not denying that you are experiencing these problems, but I work at a fairly large university supporting hundreds of Macs and have not had a single user complain about either of these problems.
Eh, maybe. I'm having this issue, but I don't usually report my Mac issues to my university's IT. I wind up explaining the problem to three different people, all of whom lack the expertise with Macs to assist.
 
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Anyone else having issues with VMWare Horizon on 10.15.6? Seems to timeout after ~20-30 minutes and become unresponsive.
 
Anyone else having issues with VMWare Horizon on 10.15.6? Seems to timeout after ~20-30 minutes and become unresponsive.

I have Horizon 5.4.3 and have not had any trouble like that on 10.15.6 on my 2020 MBA or my 2019 iMac 27”. I only use a single Windows 10 VDI.
 
I have the same issue but not VMWare. An Android emulator could crash the OS after boot hours.

Happy to see that news report that issue.

I am having same issue here, tried nemuplayer, BlueStacks, Noxplayer all the same result.
I even wiped everything reinstalling fresh os and situation remain the same. Always crash after a few hours
 
I've been bitten multiple times by this one. It sucks. I have to use Windoze VM for work - or worse, agree to let them manage my Mac. Not a chance for the latter one!

A few minutes ago I had to hard cycle my 16" because Fusion went bonkers yet again.

Here's another "Hopefully fixed in Big Sur" user. :-/
Just happened on my 16' as well. Lost some progress on an excel doc and bombed me out of a Zoom meeting. Nice
 
I'm getting this issue on one of my office Macs. Do we know if this affects the current Big Sur betas? If Big Sur doesn't have this issue, I might switch to the public beta so I can go back to using VMware on that Mac.
 
I am having same issue here, tried nemuplayer, BlueStacks, Noxplayer all the same result.
I even wiped everything reinstalling fresh os and situation remain the same. Always crash after a few hours

Just tried to host virtualbox 6.1.12, windows 10 client crash within 30 min
 
Oh Catalina .... even in your final builds you can't give up your reputation....

I really hope the reason for all of the crashes I get on a regular basis coming in and out of sleep, as well as my other reliability issues is because they had their A-team working on the massive Big Sur release for the past few years.... because Catalina has been a terrible experience.

well at least it’s nowhere near as horrible as El Capitain lol. That was a hell of a waste of engineering work.

VMware submitting details in full to Apple, now that is what I call a platinum partner! Well done.
 
Here’s an example of the fun & games I get if I keep a VM up for more than a few days. When a kernel leak has the effect of killing off critical processes, all bets are off!

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So far VMware fine for me on a 2015 MBP. No noticeable issues. Guests are Win 10 and MacOS 10.15.6. I have bluetooth selected off on the host, guessing that might make a difference.
 
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