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How would you feel if you had to pay roaming charges when travelling between, for example, California and Nevada? Or were travelling near the border and picked up a signal from a neighbouring state?

That’s pretty much exactly what the situation was like in Europe before the EU regulated roaming charges.
It used to be that way, and they stopped. Did US regulators do anything to cause that (honestly, I don't know)? To answer your question, I'd disable roaming and not care. Or if I cared, pick the provider that charges less for roaming.
 
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No they didn’t.
All that happened was that the cost of roaming incurred by networks was spread across the entire customer base. So those that never travelled to Europe subsidised those who frequently travelled to Europe.
Eh, I don't believe supporting roaming has a significant cost. Carriers enter agreements to use each others' towers, which can be equal in theory. They just charge because it's a feature people will pay for.

Edit: Actually, idk if the carriers in the EU have higher costs than in the UK. Maybe.
 
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Sadly not true; Dutch provider Ben charged me for roaming in Schweiz just a month ago
Ben is a discount brand owned and operated by T-Mobile Nederland. So it's not surprising that their roaming policy for Ben is no less stingy.
 
It's not political, it's business adapting to (read: taking advantage of) new local rules. Just like apple uses the same european rules for business purposes (read: making more profit). It may not feel right, but according to the rules.. it is.

You’ve missed the point I was making in relation to a set of comments about people who voted for Brexit. I wasn’t suggesting introducing roaming charges was political. If you follow those posts you’ll understand what I mean.
 
They protected us from roaming charges across Europe, we were still ripped off in the uk.
I love the way British consumers always assume they are being 'ripped off'.

We're not in the EU and when you use a phone abroad the third-party mobile network has to pick up the bill for this - Vodafone and others will pick up the cost. Some they absorb, parts they will charge.

The same is reverse for using your mobile in the UK. A Spanish mobile user would have to pay to use their mobile in the UK, much like we will within the US, Australia or whatever.

Of course....you could choose to upgrade your contract to cover this, especially if you travel a lot. Vodafone and others offer contracts to cover roaming.

But, Brits being Brits, any charges = 'ripped off' of course. People have short memories. Only a few years ago we had to pay by-the-minute charges for broadband! So if you had an always-on connection, like in 2021, your bill could easily become high 3-figures monthly. I remember my dual-ISDN line once cost £1000/month back in the late 90s. Did I complain about being 'ripped off'. No. That was the norm then.

Worse, if you sent international texts back then, the cost was extortionate. For ALL users, worldwide. Not just 'ripped off' Brits.

Problem is these days, everyone just expects everything for nothing. Happy to spend £1000 on a phone, but regard the cost of using of the phone internationally as being 'ripped off'.
 
Good luck to all the UK tourists - 8 out of the top 10 holiday destinations for brits are in the EU.

I’m not sure you need ‘good luck’ as I’m pretty sure if you can afford a vacation to Europe, you can afford the £2/day roaming charge. It’s hardly back to the days of £’s per megabyte (unless you’re using gigabytes).
 
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You think our domestic price plans are going down as a result of this? That’s a good one, tell me another 🤣
No, which is why I stated they could but they will likely pocket the extra, but I’ve no doubt the tariffs without roaming will be cheaper than those with, be interesting how they compare with today’s prices.

That said I don’t think it’s something that will completely go away, Three offered it in the U.K. without the Eu forcing it so they clearly saw a market for it, will be interesting to see if they are the only ones offering it again, I don’t think o2 have some out and announced anything yet.
 
But funnily enough, T-Mobile NL is the only Dutch provider who does not count Switzerland (a non-EU state) as an EU member so if, for example, you drive from the Netherlands to Italy you will face roaming charges for the Swiss bit of your trip. As for the grandparent: mobile operators were indeed forced by the EU to abolish roaming charges, so you'll have to wait until Serbia and North Macedonia join the EU, or they get so far in the process that the earlier agreements already provide for the abolition of roaming charges.

As for the British operators reinstating roaming charges, this was obviously always going to happen. When they were forced to get rid of them, they were happy to take the credit, but it was always EU rules that forced them to and many operators throughout Europe complained and conjured up nightmare scenarios about how this would lead to higher prices for consumers, but as far as I can tell this hasn't happened anywhere in the EU.
Well finding some little gotcha to just charge a little and make a little more is being very Dutch (land of charging you 1Eur for little packet of ketchup/mayo for fries :mad:)... and dragging their feet of Apple Watch LTE for years (in the T-Mobile NL forums the initial date was supposed to be Aug 2018 as I recall... and it's continued to be "shortly... we're working on it" until recently where they went silent and basically don't want discussion about it on their forums... but that's another discussion (and rant I repeat in Apple Watch discussions)
 
Any reason the UK Gov can't ban roaming charges? As a previous poster mentioned, they'd likely just increase tariffs to make up for it.
none at all, even Johnson’s moronic backstop agreement wasn’t quite that stupid. It’s a matter of regulating contracts between two notionally British parties made under British law.

Good luck to all the UK tourists - 8 out of the top 10 holiday destinations for brits are in the EU
Since some of the largest pro-leave margins were in towns that used to be beach resorts, all the remain talking points about making it harder to holiday in Europe probably won leave some votes (thoigh I wouldn’t care to bet on whether that’s more or less than it won for remain)


Before that idiotic referendum I recall of those right wing wingnuts claiming that of course free roaming would remain after we left the world's biggest free trade zone and burnt every bridge imaginable. That, like everything else they said was a steaming pile of manure.
If they wanted to they could ban charging roaming fees in any or all foreign countries.



Truly the worst foreign policy mistake in British history.

compared to
  • trusting Harriman and Ambassador Kennedy,
  • not checking that france was going to follow the war plan before declaring war on Germany
  • Signing up for the Washington naval treaty
  • Including America and Ireland in the domestic aspects of the GFA
  • Adopting the Treaty of Lisbon against the wishes of the absolute majority of citizens (and not just British citizens were against it)
  • agreeing to give up the veto power in favour of QMV (and not using the veto more)
  • Not sacking (or worse) the everyone in the foreign office involved in their stunt with the First Railways Package (they went and negotated it to help treasury officials force the government’s hands, contrary to the PM’s wishes, the desires of parliament, the desires of the voters, the national interest, or pretty much anything that could possibly justify it) - a small matter, and not the only time they’ve done that, but the most blatant for a long time
  • Dithering too long before acting and then stalling and trusting the UN Security Council during the Suez Crisis
  • Using A50 to separate from the EU instead of exiting via the incremental treaty negotiation process as intended by Lord Kerr
  • Using a treaty with lots of countries, including overt enemies, purely to stymie the opposition without making sure that its meaning couldn’t change or that it wouldn’t be entangled with other treaties
  • Failing to thoroughly enforce the law in Ireland in 1918
  • Listening to Woodrow Wilson
  • Getting between Japan and America’s colonies
  • Screwing over Japan and Italy in 1919
  • Deciding that defeating the Spanish in the Caribbean instead of the French and their allies in North America was more important
  • Palmerston’s unilateral free trade
  • Joining the EU
  • Not enforcing the treaty of Versailles
  • Trashing the principle of Westphalian sovereignty

it isn’t so bad: it hasn’t created or strengthened our greatest and most harmful enemy, it hasn’t gotten us into an unwinnable war, it hasn’t pissed away our status as a great power because all of that is long since gone, it hasn’t expanded foreigners’ abilities to meddle in our internal affairs, it hasn’t thrown away everything that was gained through a giant war, and so on.
 
Of course they will charge more if they can, regardless of brexit. It's a business, and brexit is a great excuse for all sorts of charges - nobody will question it.

Any reason the UK Gov can't ban roaming charges? As a previous poster mentioned, they'd likely just increase tariffs to make up for it.

Hoping Three keep it free. They have had free roaming outside of the EU in some countries, so might make a 'because of brexit' argument a bit harder for them to use.

The only issue with that would be you’d have to increase mobile tariffs for people who never use roaming too. Increasing the cost across the board would be worse than the charges for those that travel abroad IMO.

We are also in an era where people are shopping around to get cheaper contracts, so increases would be counterproductive.
 
When EE announced plans to introduce fees for EU Roaming I’m sure I saw a comment on that thread Vodafone Romania were re-introducing charges to roam in the UK.
 
When EE announced plans to introduce fees for EU Roaming I’m sure I saw a comment on that thread Vodafone Romania were re-introducing charges to roam in the UK.
Indeed, both Orange and Vodafone Romania introduced new charges for roaming in UK. That’s it, we need to adapt.
 
just dont use vodafone, simple theirs other networks that dont have roaming charges.

At the moment. EE and Vodafone have introduced them and it’s only so long before the likes of O2, Three and the smaller providers that are subsidiaries of these companies follow suit. They won’t absorb the cost forever without passing it in some way to the customer.
 
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