“How dare people talk about the genesis of all of this nonsense! Shut it down!”
Not my rules.
“How dare people talk about the genesis of all of this nonsense! Shut it down!”
sometimes it is the destination network who request the limits as they dont want their network clogged or abusedHonestly that just makes me livid, a limit of 25gb as well? That will last about 3 days….
Back to swapping sims in different countries it is then :/
That's interesting - I pay £18 (about €21) in the UK for the same on O2* (technically 100GB data, but for me and I think for 99% of people that's as good as unlimited). So even if I do have to start paying an extra £1 a day for roaming, I can still spend 24 days of every single month roaming for what it's costing you to have it included "at no extra cost".For the record, I pay 50€ here in Spain for unlimited data (5G included where available), free unlimited roaming in EU, Switzerland, USA and many more countries.
Who said that?Who cares? If Brits are as nationalistic as they say
They why TF do you care?
I don't know what's going on over there, but if you're looking to the EU to regulate your cell network pricing, that's pretty sad. Regards from your step-son country in North America.
That's interesting - I pay £18 (about €21) in the UK for the same on O2* (technically 100GB data, but for me and I think for 99% of people that's as good as unlimited). So even if I do have to start paying an extra £1 a day for roaming, I can still spend 24 days of every single month roaming for what it's costing you to have it included "at no extra cost".
*Ironic, given that O2 is 50% Spanish-owned.
Canada here - $7 a day if in the US, $15 a day in Europe.
That's interesting - I pay £18 (about €21) in the UK for the same on O2* (technically 100GB data, but for me and I think for 99% of people that's as good as unlimited).
Calm down dearThe result of a campaign built on lies and false promises. You know this too, which is why you have to spout such idiotic drivel. Enjoy your insane roaming charges.
Are O2 planning to impose this increase on existing customers then? Vodafone aren’t luckily.
With o2 after someone has used 25GB of data they’ll start charging £3.50/GB-doesn’t, as yet, mention a daily charge on top of.
Here you go, from a research note by Enders Analysis (media consultants)
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This move is somewhat inevitable as current arrangements leave operators exposed to up to €75 of monthly wholesale charges, and even more as legacy EU wholesale deals expire
Although the EU has regulated down the maximum wholesale rates that operators can charge each other for carrying roaming traffic, they nonetheless remain meaningful at €3 per GB (to fall to €2.50 from January next year). Of course, if traffic flows were even between countries, the absolute level of wholesale tariffs would not really matter. However, unfortunately for UK operators, the flows are uneven in favour of other EU countries and the disparity has worsened since the roaming premia disappeared in 2017, as UK tourists to Europe have increased their usage much more dramatically than the less price-elastic business visitors to the UK have. Negotiated rates between operators may be lower than these EU ceiling prices in many instances and several operators will benefit from having sister operations in other EU countries (Vodafone and VMO2 in particular), limiting their exposure. Conversely, once outside the EU, European operators are no longer obliged to abide by these ceiling rates, further increasing the UK operators' exposure. As discussed earlier, the expiry of these deals within the EU ceiling rates at the end of this year is a major factor in determining the timing of Vodafone's move today.”
I would expect they will. They had 3 Like Home before EU Roaming came in, so hopefully they are making enough £ to just revert to that.Hoping Three keep it free. They have had free roaming outside of the EU in some countries, so might make a 'because of brexit' argument a bit harder for them to use.
Who cares? If Brits are as nationalistic as they say, they should spend their holidays in the UK. Not inflate the pockets of those evil bureaucrats in Bruxelles.
So.. Vodafone are burocrats in Bruxelles? It's not Bruxelles who is charging roaming costs..i feel like its the remoaners who are complaining, as they are more upper class on average and will go on vacation more often. i agree those unelected bureaucrats dont deserve the uk's money
Easy peasy, buy a local sim card.Canada here - $7 a day if in the US, $15 a day in Europe.
It's not political, it's business adapting to (read: taking advantage of) new local rules. Just like apple uses the same european rules for business purposes (read: making more profit). It may not feel right, but according to the rules.. it is.As I said, it’s an interesting thread and I didn’t want to see it closed so prematurely due to off topic political discussion![]()
Without actual numbers you've got supposition and guesses at best.🤷♂️ It actually says
“if traffic flows were even between countries, the absolute level of wholesale tariffs would not really matter. However, unfortunately for UK operators, the flows are uneven in favour of other EU countries and the disparity has worsened”
ARE and HAS WORSENED being the operative words here.
In any case, when you look at the top-10 list for UK holidaymakers, and then think about whether the UK even makes the equivalent lists for France, Germany, Spain etc it’s pretty obvious that the statement is correct without even the hard numbers to back it up.
That was a thing! In ~2005 my mobile network only covered 3 states. Outside of Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Delaware it was all roaming.How would you feel if you had to pay roaming charges when travelling between, for example, California and Nevada?
You think our domestic price plans are going down as a result of this? That’s a good one, tell me another 🤣I see 2 sides to be fair - it was never really "free" roaming, everyone just paid towards the costs of roaming if you actually used it or not.
If those who have no need for EU roaming can genuinely get a better price than they are paying now on one of these new tariff's then I dont see this as so bad - although I suspect most company's who re-introduce these will just pocket the extra!
I'll just use a EU sim when visiting the EU, a US sim when visiting the US, and an English sim when visiting England. It isn't even remotely an issue to use a country specific sim. Even town to down you may find one provider has better coverage than the other when going to some places. And of course, you can leave your phone at home when traveling abroad. If I am visiting England I hardly need to have a smartphone with me and the same goes if I am having a wee holiday in France.