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Honestly that just makes me livid, a limit of 25gb as well? That will last about 3 days….

Back to swapping sims in different countries it is then :/
sometimes it is the destination network who request the limits as they dont want their network clogged or abused
 
For the record, I pay 50€ here in Spain for unlimited data (5G included where available), free unlimited roaming in EU, Switzerland, USA and many more countries.
That's interesting - I pay £18 (about €21) in the UK for the same on O2* (technically 100GB data, but for me and I think for 99% of people that's as good as unlimited). So even if I do have to start paying an extra £1 a day for roaming, I can still spend 24 days of every single month roaming for what it's costing you to have it included "at no extra cost".

*Ironic, given that O2 is 50% Spanish-owned.
 
I don't know what's going on over there, but if you're looking to the EU to regulate your cell network pricing, that's pretty sad. Regards from your step-son country in North America.

How would you feel if you had to pay roaming charges when travelling between, for example, California and Nevada? Or were travelling near the border and picked up a signal from a neighbouring state?

That’s pretty much exactly what the situation was like in Europe before the EU regulated roaming charges.
 
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That's interesting - I pay £18 (about €21) in the UK for the same on O2* (technically 100GB data, but for me and I think for 99% of people that's as good as unlimited). So even if I do have to start paying an extra £1 a day for roaming, I can still spend 24 days of every single month roaming for what it's costing you to have it included "at no extra cost".

*Ironic, given that O2 is 50% Spanish-owned.

Are O2 planning to impose this increase on existing customers then? Vodafone aren’t luckily.
 
That's interesting - I pay £18 (about €21) in the UK for the same on O2* (technically 100GB data, but for me and I think for 99% of people that's as good as unlimited).

I have 5G unlimited on Vodafone (£30) and I actually use a lot more than that. In fact my average is about 440GB per month. Occasionally I’ve gone over 1TB in a month when streaming a lot of Stadia etc.
 
The result of a campaign built on lies and false promises. You know this too, which is why you have to spout such idiotic drivel. Enjoy your insane roaming charges.
Calm down dear

And what was Project Fear, including the punishment budget that the then Chancellor was promising if we dared to vote the "wrong way". Some Remainers appear to be psychologically scarred by the result of the vote - they simply cannot accept it and, of course, this plays into their arrogant hatred of the working classes.
 
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With o2 after someone has used 25GB of data they’ll start charging £3.50/GB-doesn’t, as yet, mention a daily charge on top of.

Fair enough. On Vodafone I have activated a cap when abroad to prevent that. I can’t imagine I’d use more than 25GB when on a holiday though. I use about 8GB a month of my 54GB allowance in a typical month and being on my phone whilst away is the last thing I want to be doing, even with work.
 
Here you go, from a research note by Enders Analysis (media consultants)


This move is somewhat inevitable as current arrangements leave operators exposed to up to €75 of monthly wholesale charges, and even more as legacy EU wholesale deals expire​

Although the EU has regulated down the maximum wholesale rates that operators can charge each other for carrying roaming traffic, they nonetheless remain meaningful at €3 per GB (to fall to €2.50 from January next year). Of course, if traffic flows were even between countries, the absolute level of wholesale tariffs would not really matter. However, unfortunately for UK operators, the flows are uneven in favour of other EU countries and the disparity has worsened since the roaming premia disappeared in 2017, as UK tourists to Europe have increased their usage much more dramatically than the less price-elastic business visitors to the UK have. Negotiated rates between operators may be lower than these EU ceiling prices in many instances and several operators will benefit from having sister operations in other EU countries (Vodafone and VMO2 in particular), limiting their exposure. Conversely, once outside the EU, European operators are no longer obliged to abide by these ceiling rates, further increasing the UK operators' exposure. As discussed earlier, the expiry of these deals within the EU ceiling rates at the end of this year is a major factor in determining the timing of Vodafone's move today.”

Thanks, but that doesn't prove your original post

You claimed UK users in the EU used more data than EU visitors in the UK.

What you posted shows the UK usage in Europe has increased higher than the EU to UK users, but without knowing the baselines and values, the statement doesn't confirm your post.

If UK2EU was a baseline of 10 and EU2UK was a baseline of 15, then UK2EU went up 50% and EU2UK went up 10%, the UK2EU would be 15 and EU2UK would be 16.5.

Ergo the fact there's a higher raise doesn't indicate anything other than there's a higher raise. It does nothing to show one figure is higher or lower than another.

In other words, if Sue's earning £50,000 and Tom's on £30,000, I'd rather be on Sue's salary with a 5% bump than Tom's on a 50% bump, even though he got a significantly higher raise!

So getting the underlying figures is far more important than a simple statement.
 
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🤷‍♂️ It actually says

“if traffic flows were even between countries, the absolute level of wholesale tariffs would not really matter. However, unfortunately for UK operators, the flows are uneven in favour of other EU countries and the disparity has worsened”

ARE and HAS WORSENED being the operative words here.

In any case, when you look at the top-10 list for UK holidaymakers, and then think about whether the UK even makes the equivalent lists for France, Germany, Spain etc it’s pretty obvious that the statement is correct without even the hard numbers to back it up.
 
Hoping Three keep it free. They have had free roaming outside of the EU in some countries, so might make a 'because of brexit' argument a bit harder for them to use.
I would expect they will. They had 3 Like Home before EU Roaming came in, so hopefully they are making enough £ to just revert to that.
 
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Who cares? If Brits are as nationalistic as they say, they should spend their holidays in the UK. Not inflate the pockets of those evil bureaucrats in Bruxelles.

i feel like its the remoaners who are complaining, as they are more upper class on average and will go on vacation more often. i agree those unelected bureaucrats dont deserve the uk's money
So.. Vodafone are burocrats in Bruxelles? It's not Bruxelles who is charging roaming costs..

Guess you're only trying to stir trouble between friends. The UK may have left the EU, but they're still in our hearts.
 
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As I said, it’s an interesting thread and I didn’t want to see it closed so prematurely due to off topic political discussion
It's not political, it's business adapting to (read: taking advantage of) new local rules. Just like apple uses the same european rules for business purposes (read: making more profit). It may not feel right, but according to the rules.. it is.
 
🤷‍♂️ It actually says

“if traffic flows were even between countries, the absolute level of wholesale tariffs would not really matter. However, unfortunately for UK operators, the flows are uneven in favour of other EU countries and the disparity has worsened”

ARE and HAS WORSENED being the operative words here.

In any case, when you look at the top-10 list for UK holidaymakers, and then think about whether the UK even makes the equivalent lists for France, Germany, Spain etc it’s pretty obvious that the statement is correct without even the hard numbers to back it up.
Without actual numbers you've got supposition and guesses at best.
 
I see 2 sides to be fair - it was never really "free" roaming, everyone just paid towards the costs of roaming if you actually used it or not.

If those who have no need for EU roaming can genuinely get a better price than they are paying now on one of these new tariff's then I dont see this as so bad - although I suspect most company's who re-introduce these will just pocket the extra!
You think our domestic price plans are going down as a result of this? That’s a good one, tell me another 🤣
 
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I'll just use a EU sim when visiting the EU, a US sim when visiting the US, and an English sim when visiting England. It isn't even remotely an issue to use a country specific sim. Even town to down you may find one provider has better coverage than the other when going to some places. And of course, you can leave your phone at home when traveling abroad. If I am visiting England I hardly need to have a smartphone with me and the same goes if I am having a wee holiday in France.

These aren't big, or insurmountable issues, but they do have a negative effect.

Last time I visited Europe, I used London as the entry/exit gateway for a three-week stay.

Landed at LHR, picked up a Vodafone UK SIM in the arrival hall because not only was it the best value in terms of cost/service, but also because the company had strong networks in the other countries I'd visit. Cheap, convenient, and no further attention required for the rest of the stay, and no additional cost. It also only required a single purchase evaluation that I'd made before even departing. It worked out even better when the plan was awarded promotional bonus service during the period.

Swapping SIMs is not a challenge, but having to allocate even a small amount of time and effort to each country, from a limited pool, is not something I'd prefer to do, and is a step backward. Automatically losing a quid or two in daily fees on a prepaid plan also distinctly impacts its value.

The amount of potential hassle has just increased again, on top of dealing with Forex, which has always remained because the UK didn't adopt the Euro the rest use. These are relatively small chores in the course of travel, but chores nonetheless, especially on a holiday.
 
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