Vote on Nano-SIM Standard Delayed Amid Continued Disagreements

[macintoshi]

Wirelessly posted

remoove the sim,make devices adopt numbers of choice for free,backup contacts on mail as option.

 

[hayesk]

They think of happiness...of the shareholders and hopefully employees. They can't sacrifice profit to make people feel all warm a fuzzy. They'd go out of business. Besides, Nokia could probably use all the money it can get.

That's the problem with publicly traded companies. The further you get away from IPO, the larger the disconnect between a shareholder and an actual investor in the company. When you get too far disconnected, the shareholder only wants the company to do what would cause a spike in share price in the short term so they can sell them off and move on to do the same another company. At some point, shareholder influence must be limited to ensure long term health of the company and its employees.

 

[wikus]

I guess all you fanboys are just ignoring the portion of the story where Apple is attempting to manipulate the voting process. Yes, ignorance is bliss....🙄

Tony

BAM! Bible's the truth!

 

[Navdakilla]

I don't find this a such a big deal.

sd cards were here and then they made micro sd cards. They couldn't replace sd cards and now there is a market for both along with all the other card formats.


Seems like this is whats going to happen in this situation as well

 

[BaldiMac]

I guess all you fanboys are just ignoring the portion of the story where Apple is attempting to manipulate the voting process. Yes, ignorance is bliss....🙄

BAM! Bible's the truth!

And I guess speculation and accusation is fact as long as it fits your point of view.

 

[flottenheimer]

Does anyone know what Nokia and RIM doesn't like about Apples proposed standard?

Are there any technical issues? Are there better solutions on the horizon from other companies? Why are they considered better? Or is it all about current patent holders not getting any more royalties if Apples proposed standard makes it to market?

Anyone?

 

[57004]

<chant>Sim-less, sim-less!</chant>

You sooo don't want that. It'll be like CDMA, no sim-free phones because you can't change providers.

I always buy sim-free and change providers (I always use prepaid) whenever I feel like it.

Or think about sticking your sim in another phone when your battery is dead (or you don't want to go out partying with a $600 iPhone). Sim-less is choice-less.

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as long as you can use an adaptor to make it a full size sim card so you can switch it to any other phone, I don't care which one wins.

That's exactly the problem with the other proposals: Won't be possible because their SIMs work differently.

I definitely never ever want no sim at all, what do you do if you you want to take a cheap rubbish phone on a night out?

Yeah I said the same thing later in this topic, I see you beat me to it 🙂 I always do that when I go out, I have an old Nokia 3210 for exactly that purpose.

 

[xoggyux]

I dont understand what the fuss is about. Isent this nano-SIM just the old one micro-SIM (which in turn was a smaller normal SIM with less plastic) with a bit of plastic cut out?
How much patent can you get for cutting .2 grams of plastic?
Or is it that the picture is just a representation and not the actual card? 😕

 

[blackburn]

I don't really care if people jam the wrong cards in the wrong slots. And I don't see why is there that much fuss for a damn sim card. Just make it smaller and more durable since that crappy plastic gives the ghost easily.
If I could I would patent patent wars..

One thing that could be handy was a decent contact storage since the current one sucks donkey balls.

 

[SBlue1]

oh come on, its small engough...

 

[hchung]

Don't they use a form of CDMA that is incompatible with virtually every other country on earth?

Sorta... Japan has multiple carriers on multiple technologies, like us in the US.

The exchange student he was talking to was probably on au/KDDI, which uses the same tech as verizon and sprint, but on several different frequencies, one of which actually is compatible (however rare). (yes, I had a verizon phone lock on to an au tower and receive a welcome text message once.)

Docomo and Softbank use UMTS/WCDMA, like the rest of the world. The 2100 band works with most UMTS phones.

 

[MacinDoc]

Don't care about what SIM cards are used TBH, but.. Apple don't stoop so low as to break voting rules!!!

Agreed, it is a very disturbing allegation, and if true, would make me think twice about giving Apple my support in the future. Hopefully the accusation is just a desperate attempt by the opposing side to gain more traction in the voting.

 

[icerailson]

A slight customization and the sim will look like a transformer logo 🙂

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Does anyone know what Nokia and RIM doesn't like about Apples proposed standard?

Are there any technical issues? Are there better solutions on the horizon from other companies? Why are they considered better? Or is it all about current patent holders not getting any more royalties if Apples proposed standard makes it to market?

Anyone?

It requires a draw. A different design that standard Sims that just pop in. This along with a huge distrust of Apple.

 

[AllieNeko]

<chant>Sim-less, sim-less!</chant>

NO, NO, NO. SIM cards are essential for world travelers (occasionally me) and people like myself who like to be adventurous - with a backup phone of little value. Etc. By far the WORST THING about CDMA is the lack of mandated removable security (SIM cards).

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Sorta... Japan has multiple carriers on multiple technologies, like us in the US.

The exchange student he was talking to was probably on au/KDDI, which uses the same tech as verizon and sprint, but on several different frequencies, one of which actually is compatible (however rare). (yes, I had a verizon phone lock on to an au tower and receive a welcome text message once.)

Docomo and Softbank use UMTS/WCDMA, like the rest of the world. The 2100 band works with most UMTS phones.

au/KDDI is not "rarely" compatible with Verizon. There are some differences but same band same tech. One big difference is they use the optional CSIM authentication for all phones, Verizon only for their new LTE phones. Does anyone know if the iPhone 4S uses CSIM or MEID for authentication on au? Regardless, Verizon roaming on au is officially supported. $1.99/min and 50 cents a text tho...

 

[hchung]

au/KDDI is not "rarely" compatible with Verizon. There are some differences but same band same tech. One big difference is they use the optional CSIM authentication for all phones, Verizon only for their new LTE phones. Does anyone know if the iPhone 4S uses CSIM or MEID for authentication on au? Regardless, Verizon roaming on au is officially supported. $1.99/min and 50 cents a text tho...

Huh, interesting! Back when I was looking into this stuff, au/KDDI was on a completely incompatible band (900? 700?), hence my surprise when I got roaming in Sendai but not Tokyo. Fast forward to now, and it looks like they're about to finish a migration to the 800 band (like verizon) this July.

From what this guy says, it sounds like it's probably MEID:
http://softbanksucks.blogspot.com/2011/10/au-iphone-will-not-work-with-other-cdma.html

 

[till]

Cutting out all the plastic around the contacts and calling it a new standard does seem a bit ridiculous.

If you want a much smaller SIM, start from scratch and design something better. Bonus points if you can ship an adapter that makes it compatible with the old standard.

 

[nelsonammo]

If you read the descriptions of the Apple, Nokia and RIM proposals for the nano-sim, Apple's is the largest and requires the use of a tray. The only advantage it has is that it's backwards compatible. Plus Apple is using shady tactics to get their design to be the winner.

Boo Apple!!

 

[baryon]

Really? Why? Do you not agree that having a little physical card in your phone to identify yourself is a bit old? What does it have to do with Apple? I don't even own an iPhone, I have a Nokia, and it annoys me to have to swap SIM cards all the time, because it requires me to remove the back case, remove the battery, remove the SIM card, insert the other SIM card, reassemble the phone, turn it back on, reset the time and the date and the GMT settings and reset the connection to the network. If you think this is supposed to be normal in 2012, and that this frustration has anything to do with Apple, then well… good for you? You probably enjoy doing it 🙂 In that case, it would probably be better to have 7-8 more little cards to plug into our phone, one for memory, one for ring tones, one for the clock, and swap them around daily for fun!

 

[ramuman]

This whole thing is so pointless. We're talking about SIM cards here, and making them like 3% smaller. Good work Apple 🙄

The whole point is that Apple has cared about so many small things that they made a lot of huge things better. If no one fought or had passion for every detail, you wouldn't have progress.

I'm not sure what to make of the whole switching affiliations to vote thing though. I don't have enough information.

 

[MacinDoc]

If you read the descriptions of the Apple, Nokia and RIM proposals for the nano-sim, Apple's is the largest and requires the use of a tray. The only advantage it has is that it's backwards compatible. Plus Apple is using shady tactics to get their design to be the winner.

Boo Apple!!

The fact that it's backward compatible is the whole point. Oh, and the offer for free cross-licensing of the SIM tech (come on, those of you complaining about Apple's protection of its IP should be cheering for this, or does the complaint only apply when Apple is protecting its IP, and not when other companies are doing the same thing).

Of course, the question of who is actually using shady tactics is open to debate. Remember, the claim is by a member of the group bitterly opposing Apple in this debate, which would have as much to gain by claiming that Apple is using this tactic as Apple would have to gain by using the tactic. Keep in mind that this is an allegation, not a proven fact (though if it is true, I agree, Boo Apple, and this would result in my future loyalty and purchasing trending away from Apple).

 

[adder7712]

I've lost a mini-SIM (the regular ones) with a lot of prepaid credits. They are small enough.

 

[adder7712]

Go to your carrier's website >> Activate phone >> Enter ESN >> Done. I used to do it all the time. It may be a pain in the butt, but it works! What we need is a simpler system.

Nope, that's not how GSM/UMTS/LTE devices works.

 

[MattInOz]

as long as you can use an adaptor to make it a full size sim card so you can switch it to any other phone, I don't care which one wins.

I definitely never ever want no sim at all, what do you do if you you want to take a cheap rubbish phone on a night out?

Well in that situation you still buy a cheap phone with a cheap pre-paid sim card set your number to divert to said phone before you leave the house, end divert when you get home. Or just keep your last phone and do the same thing.

I think Apple may just go and use the space freed to do both. eSIM chip to drive NFC have it available to networks willing to go SIM free. Kind of wondering if two phones had NFC to securely transfer the Network SIM between two devices, such as your expensive smartphone to you want to leave at home and a cheap disposal phone.

 

[AllieNeko]

Huh, interesting! Back when I was looking into this stuff, au/KDDI was on a completely incompatible band (900? 700?), hence my surprise when I got roaming in Sendai but not Tokyo. Fast forward to now, and it looks like they're about to finish a migration to the 800 band (like verizon) this July.

From what this guy says, it sounds like it's probably MEID:
http://softbanksucks.blogspot.com/2011/10/au-iphone-will-not-work-with-other-cdma.html

Wow thanks for that link. One, I never knew they used a different band as I only learned they were the same when the iPhone 4S came out 🙂

As for that - it's weird. RUIM and CSIM are the same thing, just to clarify. Why would moving RUIM not allow you to swap handsets. Is au somehow BOTH using RUIM/CSIM and authenticating the MEID? It'd make sense. Japan's mobile phone market is that screwed up.

There isn't a civilized country in the world with a mobile phone situation as bad as Japan. We think it's bad in the US, but Japan's just awful.

Most places in Europe, 10 euro or so will get you data for a short trip. Germany's more like America but still not as bad as japan - 25 euro or so there. Also, Germany, Italy, and some other places require registration and stuff. The difference is, as long as you're in a city, they know how to lie to get tourists their SIM cards (passport number plus address of hostel/hotel/even the phone shop, plus generated tax ID in italy). Japan's much stricter.

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Huh, interesting! Back when I was looking into this stuff, au/KDDI was on a completely incompatible band (900? 700?), hence my surprise when I got roaming in Sendai but not Tokyo. Fast forward to now, and it looks like they're about to finish a migration to the 800 band (like verizon) this July.

From what this guy says, it sounds like it's probably MEID:
http://softbanksucks.blogspot.com/2011/10/au-iphone-will-not-work-with-other-cdma.html

Wow thanks for that link. One, I never knew they used a different band as I only learned they were the same when the iPhone 4S came out 🙂 I now from that see only the cellular band is the same. CDMA at 2100? What the heck? Wow...

As for the MEID thing - it's weird. RUIM and CSIM are the same thing, just to clarify. Why would moving RUIM not allow you to swap handsets. Is au somehow BOTH using RUIM/CSIM and authenticating the MEID? It'd make sense - Japan's mobile phone market is that screwed up.

There isn't a civilized country in the world with a mobile phone situation as bad as Japan. We think it's bad in the US, but Japan's just awful.

Most places in Europe, 10 euro or so will get you data for a short trip. Germany's more like America but still not as bad as japan - 25 euro or so there. Also, Germany, Italy, and some other places require registration and stuff. The difference is, as long as you're in a city, they know how to lie to get tourists their SIM cards (passport number plus address of hostel/hotel/even the phone shop, plus generated tax ID in italy). Japan's much stricter.