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So you're saying that upgrading the MBP two generations of chipsets would actually slow it down? That's a pill I'm not willing to swallow. I can't believe a Haswell computer is going to beat out a Skylake based computer.

Gains in CPU performance have been minimal since Haswell, although I would have preferred Apple upgrade the 15" MBP to Broadwell, if for nothing else than an increase in battery life and better graphics performance.

Apple could have updated the 13" MBP to Skylake, but I can imagine the uproar if the 13" it did not receive TB3 or if it did receive TB3 but the 15" did not because they used two different chipsets.


Dell seemed to have figured out how to produce a laptop with a long battery life (they advertise up 17 hours on their 15" XPS), I think Apple could too.

I'm not sure which models advertise 17 hours of run time. Could you provide a link? Are they quad core or dual core?

Apple could release a MBP similar with Intel HD GPUs, but I do think it would incur a noticeable performance penalty due to a lack of eDRAM.


I think you're bending over backwards t[r]ying to excuse Apple when there really isn't any excuse for them. They made product decisions that have now bitten them in the behind.

I'm sorry it comes across that way, because I do not excuse Apple's lack of upgrades. I agree Apple's decisions are holding them back, and I am only trying to present what I think is Apple's logic while I wait with everyone else. At this point, I have plenty of reasons to leave Apple--not just for lack of Mac updates--but I do too much work with Mac only programs.


We can debate the semantics of the Skylake chipset being slower then Haswell or Broadwell, till the cows come home, but the fact remains consumers are not willing to pay Apple's premium pricing on a product that hasn't seen any significant update in 3 years.

You can count me among those unwilling to pay a premium for old hardware. My problem is that I have been bitten on both ends of Apple's cycles--buying the last of a Mac generation when a new generation was introduced only to have support cut short and buying the first of a generation only to experience all of its problems.

We are in that transition again--seemingly endlessly--and unfortunately unless Apple travels a different path or kicks Intel in the pants to gain earlier (if any) access to the parts it is using (GT3e/GT4e), it looks like this process will only become more drawn out, especially with no details for a Kaby Lake update for the quad core chipsets that Apple uses.

[Edit: I won't be waiting until the end of 2018 for Apple to update the 15" MBP from Skylake, so I hope they start thinking more about the future than how to milk their customers.]

[Edit 2: I just read a blog about the upcoming release for Kaby Lake by Paul Thurrott, which may help explain Apple's reluctance to have released Skylake-based products. I will leave a quote from him for your consideration:

"... while Intel has never formally confirmed this, my sources at Microsoft and elsewhere have told me that Skylake, the original “tock” release following Broadwell, was among the buggiest of chipsets that Intel has ever released. Problems with Skylake are at the heart of most of the issues that Microsoft has seen with its Surface Pro 4 and Surface Book devices, and it’s fair to say that the software giant now regrets delivering the very first Skylake-based devices into the market in late 2015.

So Kaby Lake is essentially a fixed version of Skylake, one that uses the same 14nm process of its two predecessors and offers some modest “architectural improvements,” though details are light on what those might be. Frankly, if these chips just work correctly, that would be enough. But it appears that the Kaby Lake versions of the Core m chipsets could be reasonable upgrades, while the Core i versions will offer only subtle improvements."

I had heard this before and this most recent admission (July 2016) should give all Apple users pause before purchasing anything based on Skylake. That is why I am both frustrated and curious to see what Apple is planning to do.]
 
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One suggestion you haven't yet heard: if your machine is running fine, and you just feel like upgrading, and you haven't done this yet, you should swap out your 500Gb HDD with a $150 SSD. I've done this with my 2008 MacBook pro and it hums along nicely, feels 4x faster at everything, and the only downside going forward is it won't run Sierra. But I still have an ancient mac mini, also with an SSD in it, and it's a nearly perfect machine, happily running Snow Leopard, and meets all of my needs for it. You will get another year or two out of your machine, certainly past schooling, and you can upgrade when you really need to, or when the perfect machine gets released.
 
I'm not sure which models advertise 17 hours of run time. Could you provide a link? Are they quad core or dual core?
http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?oc=fncwx1610h&model_id=xps-15-9550-laptop
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Thanks for the link. That's a nicely specced laptop. I am a little dubious about the 17 hr run-time until I see an independent third-party review (see all the footnotes on their webpage), but I must admit Dell has done a great job with their XPS line. I have been hoping Apple would adopt much smaller bezels like Dell and shift to a 12"/14"/16" footprint. (Yes, the last to bring back the equivalent of a 17" Xeon workstation but in a package only slightly larger than the current 15.4"). It kind of makes one envious.

Still, there are a couple caveats: (1) The standard screen is only 1080p. There is a 4K upgrade (3840x2160) which Apple lacks, but for a price. The technology used for the screen (IGZO IPS) is interesting, but I haven't kept up with screen technology, so I am not sure what advantages / disadvantages it would offer by comparison to Apple's current screens. Still, I prefer Apple's 16:10 aspect ratio to Dell's 16:9 for work purposes. (2) Dell is still using an Nvidia 960M. This really doesn't offer any better graphics performance than Apple's current lineup. I am surprised Dell is not using Nvidia's new Pascal GPU architecture (1060/1070/1080). The lack of Iris Pro in Dell's lineup demonstrates how Intel has dropped the ball by not releasing a Skylake chipset with Iris Pro.

Regardless, Dell's XPS line shows how much potential there is yet to be tapped. I really hope Apple is not going to try to sell us on the solely equipped, all-inclusive USB-C port as the reason to upgrade. I really hate adapters and want more functionality, not less, in the same package. Ideally, Apple would leave the ports on the MBP alone and simply replace the TB2 port with a USB-C / TB3 port while the industry transitions. But that is likely only a dream.
 
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If you're looking for a MBAir or 13" MBPro, both which use the 2-core CPU, consider "Kaby Lake" and not Skylake.

Dell Inspiron 5000 & 7000 now ship with the Kaby Lake processor, and offer improved battery life over their previous generation based on Skylake.
 
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