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Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

This waiting for "*" threads are just funny. As if there is an endpoint in chip development. When Skylake is near then the threads will be. NO wait for Cannonlake, the tock is so much better. Most people who wait clearly don't need a machine and are just looking at reasons not to buy.
 
burgman said:
This waiting for "*" threads are just funny. As if there is an endpoint in chip development. When Skylake is near then the threads will be. NO wait for Cannonlake, the tock is so much better. Most people who wait clearly don't need a machine and are just looking at reasons not to buy.
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I think you're just misunderstanding the purpose of the thread. More than anything it's a place to discuss future developments in the product line, not to try to convince people to wait for the X, Y or Z refresh. I realize that some people use it like that, but it very easily could (and maybe should) be retitled the "Future Apple Laptops Discussion" thread.

There are also a number of people who visit this thread who have specifically planned to buy a new laptop in a certain year. For example, if you have a 2010 machine you might plan to upgrade in 2015, which would have you "waiting for Broadwell" even though the CPU itself isn't the reason. If you you've targeted 2016 for your next upgrade you are "waiting for Skylake," but again only because of your personal upgrade cycle.
 
Atomic Walrus said:
I think you're just misunderstanding the purpose of the thread. More than anything it's a place to discuss future developments in the product line, not to try to convince people to wait for the X, Y or Z refresh. I realize that some people use it like that, but it very easily could (and maybe should) be retitled the "Future Apple Laptops Discussion" thread.

There are also a number of people who visit this thread who have specifically planned to buy a new laptop in a certain year. For example, if you have a 2010 machine you might plan to upgrade in 2015, which would have you "waiting for Broadwell" even though the CPU itself isn't the reason. If you you've targeted 2016 for your next upgrade you are "waiting for Skylake," but again only because of your personal upgrade cycle.
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I have no idea what you are saying, but ok. Reread some of the posts, then rethink what you posted, I think.
 
burgman said:
Most people who wait clearly don't need a machine and are just looking at reasons not to buy.
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You're right, I don't need a new machine. Anyone (not "most people") who can wait doesn't have an immediate need for a new machine. I don't think anyone is looking for a reason not to buy though.

I will be upgrading because I'd like a retina display, longer battery life, a slimmed down form, lighter weight, and I'd like for my fans to not kick on when I'm just browsing the web. Why don't I buy a new one now? The same reason I don't buy a new model every time one comes out. My current MBP is perfectly operational and meets my needs. What's going to be different about broadwell? I'll be getting money from work towards a new computer purchase in October.
 
Vanilla Face said:
You're right, I don't need a new machine. Anyone (not "most people") who can wait doesn't have an immediate need for a new machine. I don't think anyone is looking for a reason not to buy though.
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I'm coming from the 2010 MBP and I also thought I wouldn't have an immediate need for a new machine. Then I got the 2014 rMBP and all I can say is: How in the blue hell could I work with the old MBP?
 
Tourgott said:
I'm coming from the 2010 MBP and I also thought I wouldn't have an immediate need for a new machine. Then I got the 2014 rMBP and all I can say is: How in the blue hell could I work with the old MBP?
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Exactly. I'm on a i7 early 2011 MBP with 16GB of ram and a solid state drive. It's a fantastic machine, but just like you, I'm going to want to upgrade even though I don't have an immediate need for a new machine. It all comes down to how content I am with my machine.

I'll probably upgrade to broadwell because I'm getting money for it, but things that would make me upgrade no matter what would be a quad-core in the 13" (unlikely), greater than 16GB of ram (likely with DDR4), IGZO display for significant battery improvement (likely, Apple seems to be switching), and a thinner/lighter form (likely with IGZO display and other increases in energy efficiency).
 
burgman said:
I have no idea what you are saying
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What I'm saying is that you've clearly become frustrated with the obnoxious people who pop into threads and announce "don't buy an MBP until 20XX or you'll be DOOOOMED." I agree that this is absolutely ridiculous and annoying, though I don't care to speculate on why people feel the need to do it (nor do I really care if they do).

The problem is that you've then walked into a "room" full of people which you think is the source of the issue and announced, "hey guys, this is a dumb place." Meanwhile there are people who use this "Broadwell" thread simply because they want to talk about the future of the MBP line (for example the Broadwell update), not because they're trying to convince anyone to wait for some specific model. To someone like that (say, me) you're the one bursting in and being annoying. From my perspective you've added nothing to the discussion (or at least not any more than the people who argue about how long to "wait").
 
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Atomic Walrus said:
What I'm saying is that you've clearly become frustrated with the obnoxious people who pop into threads and announce "don't buy an MBP until 20XX or you'll be DOOOOMED." I agree that this is absolutely ridiculous and annoying, though I don't care to speculate on why people feel the need to do it (nor do I really care if they do).

The problem is that you've then walked into a "room" full of people which you think is the source of the issue and announced, "hey guys, this is a dumb place." Meanwhile there are people who use this "Broadwell" thread simply because they want to talk about the future of the MBP line (for example the Broadwell update), not because they're trying to convince anyone to wait for some specific model. To someone like that (say, me) you're the one bursting in and being annoying. From my perspective you've added nothing to the discussion (or at least not any more than the people who argue about how long to "wait").
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You're right on Atomic Walrus.
 
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- intel's keynote IFA 2014

Motherboard for a haswell MacBook Air compared to a broadwell core M motherboard, cpu that could be in the 12 inch rMBA.
If they can do this with the broadwell U cpu's motherboard, probably could leave space for great improvements in battery, heat dissipation etc... + the power efficiency of broadwell.
 
nfilg said:
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- intel's keynote IFA 2014

Motherboard for a haswell MacBook Air compared to a broadwell core M motherboard, cpu that could be in the 12 inch rMBA.
If they can do this with the broadwell U cpu's motherboard, probably could leave space for great improvements in battery, heat dissipation etc... + the power efficiency of broadwell.
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Double edit: Maybe I interpreted it right the first time?

The Core-M chips aren't appropriate for an rMBA due to their much lower performance points compared to the current 15W Haswell ULV chips. Going to retina scaling significantly increases the CPU overhead for basic OS activities and switching to a much slower CPU at the same time as increasing the CPU requirements doesn't make sense. An rMBA would almost certainly use a 15W Broadwell part unless it ends up being some wacky ARM hybrid (unlikely from my perspective, but some people are really focused on this idea).

I do agree that the Broadwell power improvements coupled with more efficient display tech like IGZO will make a completely new MBA design of some type very likely for 2015, aka the rMBA. It's certainly due for a change, especially the screen. I have a feeling the redesign happens there first with the MBP line waiting for Skylake because of the focus on performance in the "Pro" line.
 
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Atomic Walrus said:
Double edit: Maybe I interpreted it right the first time?

The Core-M chips aren't appropriate for an rMBA due to their much lower performance points compared to the current 15W Haswell ULV chips. Going to retina scaling significantly increases the CPU overhead for basic OS activities and switching to a much slower CPU at the same time as increasing the CPU requirements doesn't make sense. An rMBA would almost certainly use a 15W Broadwell part unless it ends up being some wacky ARM hybrid (unlikely from my perspective, but some people are really focused on this idea).

I do agree that the Broadwell power improvements coupled with more efficient display tech like IGZO will make a completely new MBA design of some type very likely for 2015, aka the rMBA. It's certainly due for a change, especially the screen. I have a feeling the redesign happens there first with the MBP line waiting for Skylake because of the focus on performance in the "Pro" line.
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As much as I agree with this, I'm kind of hoping they go ahead with a redesign for the pro line on Broadwell as well.
 
Kiju said:
As much as I agree with this, I'm kind of hoping they go ahead with a redesign for the pro line on Broadwell as well.
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Very unlikely to say the least. I don't think there is any need right now for a redesign. They may shave off a couple of mm's or change the port configurations on the edge, but the current design is likely here to stay for at least a couple more generations.

The MBA however, is probably due for a complete overhaul pretty soon. That first came out in 2010, and should be getting a redesign every 4 years or so.
 
ValSalva said:
This article compares the Core M to the Surface Pro 3, the iPad Air, and other tablets. Not sure what the comparison would be to the current Haswells that are in the MBA's. Am I missing something? Do you know how the Surface Pro 3 compares to the current MBA Haswells?
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The i7 processor is the same for both (4650U), whereas the i5s are different, but quite comparable: 4300U in the SP3, 4260U in the Air. The SP3 also has an i3 version, but it is not a 15w chip.
 
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New to the MacBook world here and thinking of getting a Macbook Pro in the near future. Should I wait until the new model comes out or should I go ahead and get the newest version now?
 
Diesel350 said:
New to the MacBook world here and thinking of getting a Macbook Pro in the near future. Should I wait until the new model comes out or should I go ahead and get the newest version now?
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Too little information to go on. What are you going to use the computer for ?

Current mid 2014 system is just fine. Newer version later will have a speed bump until SkyLake arrives also next year, and that one will have more power.
 
ABC5S said:
Too little information to go on. What are you going to use the computer for ?

Current mid 2014 system is just fine. Newer version later will have a speed bump until SkyLake arrives also next year, and that one will have more power.
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Work, mainly Internet surfing, word documents, excel spreadsheets.
 
thagomizer said:
Has Apple ever added a new GPU option to the MacBook Pro in mid-cycle?

In June they added the 2.8 GHz CPU option. What are chances that they will add an 860M or even 900-series Maxwell GPU as a BTO option to the current generation model before the overhaul for Broadwell?

NVidia 900 series mobile GPUs are due in October. So that's promising. But 800 series has been out since February and we haven't been offered them yet.
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Well, that Apple did not Update the GPU to 850m with the Haswell Refresh is really interesting:

As soon as Broadwell ships they can just say: "The new integrated GPU (Iris Pro 6200) is even faster than the previous dedicated one". They could not say that if the 850M was inside the current MBP. :)
I think, but certainly do not hope, that they abandon the dedicated GPU with the next Update. First don't update it, then kill it.
A lot of people currently think of the Iris Pro as being on par with the 750m which is not true at those high resolutions, it just shows the marketing by Intel works and this will ultimately kill the dedicated GPU in the rMBP in the future.
 
iKrivetko said:
The i7 processor is the same for both (4650U), whereas the i5s are different, but quite comparable: 4300U in the SP3, 4260U in the Air. The SP3 also has an i3 version, but it is not a 15w chip.
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This. Exactly.

Core M 5Y70 in high yields is what apple has been waiting for to launch a new air with a fanless chassis, together with a whole host of Wintel manufacturers.

It seems to be a replacement performance wise for the Haswell i5 4300U, although thermal throttling characteristics with heatsink alone remain to be seen. With passive only cooling, there has to be some wizardry going on inside to ensure temps remain within tolerable ranges. Fans still give more aggressive cooling possibilities depending on workload.

There are already more than 20 Intel Core M processor-based OEM products in the development pipeline. The first systems based on the Intel Core M processor will be on shelves, using the Y series and HD5300 graphics, as early as October in time for the holiday selling season, including the Acer Aspire Switch 12, Asus Zenbook UX305, Dell Latitude 13 7000 Series, Lenovo ThinkPad Helix, HP Envy x2 and more.

Apple will include a redesigned Air as well, why would they let Windows Ultrabook makers have all the fun and holiday season shoppers ?

http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/read/ifa-2014-intel-launches-core-m-processor/034693
 
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