Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

[konradsa]

So I was planning on buying the $1800 13 inch mbp in October for school and casual. Do you think I should wait till October 21st before I buy?

See here: https://buyersguide.macrumors.com//#Retina_MacBook_Pro

It's rather unlikely anything will happen to MacbookPros on October 21st, so I think you will just wait for 1 month, pay the same price for the same machine, and you will not be able to enjoy it until then.

 

[Senf]

So I was planning on buying the $1800 13 inch mbp in October for school and casual. Do you think I should wait till October 21st before I buy?

Well, October is right around the corner... Anyhow, the chances are very slim. Since I'm waiting either way it would be swell if there was a surprise update in October. You should purchase the computer when you need it and not listen too much to wild guesses.

 

[MareLuce]

ı can't remember in which thread in this Forum I read it and when, but I seem to remember something like: "the Skylake family will not include any mobile processors.." (To arm LAPTOPS LİKE rMBP OR MBA. But there will be Skylake processors say for the iMac...)

Really?

Has anyone else read this?

 

[ABC5S]

ı can't remember in which thread in this Forum I read it and when, but I seem to remember something likhe: "the Skylake family will not include any mobile processors.." (To arm LAPTOPS LİKE rMBP OR MBA. But there will be Skylake processors say for the iMac...)

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ı can't remember in which thread in this Forum I read it and when, but I seem to remember something like: "the Skylake family will not include any mobile processors.." (To arm LAPTOPS LİKE rMBP OR MBA. But there will be Skylake processors say for the iMac...)

Really?

Has anyone else read this?

No and its not to be believed either. Of course a Skylake Mobil processor will be released. Silly not to have one for mobil system and only for iMac/Desktops only.


http://www.pcworld.com/article/2604900/intels-skylake-chips-set-for-pcs-and-tablets-next-year.html


"Skylake’s release, stressing that it will be in desktops, laptops and tablets by the end of next year.
The Skylake chips will be made using the 14-nanometer process, the same as Broadwell. But it will have a brand new chip design."

 

[mafaky]

Sorry for the confusion...

No and its not to be believed either. Of course a Skylake Mobil processor will be released. Stupid not to have one only for iMac.

I still insist that I have seen something like that, hoping my memory serves me right.

Later, I carefully checked whatever info available for the Skylake family (starting with those on the Wikipedia...) and it can be seen loud and clear that the said family will surely have its range of mobile processors.

But, in any case, Skylake is way out to "the future" (possibly end 2015; if the Lord and Intel wish so....)

 

[MuGeN PoWeR]

Are they going to be released in October with the Yosemite release?

 

[mafaky]

Are they going to be released in October with the Yosemite release?

What? Broawell with Yosemite or Skylake with Yosemite?

 

[ABC5S]

Are they going to be released in October with the Yosemite release?

Broadwell will probably be released sometime in early 2015 and Skylake might be released later on in 2015 if there is not another delay. No one knows, and No, the cpu's will not be released with Yosemite..

Do a Google search on the CPU's and you will learn about some of the Rumors as to their release. Apple does not make the chips, Intel does, and they have their own release dates.

 

[MuGeN PoWeR]

What? Broawell with Yosemite or Skylake with Yosemite?

i mean new Macbook Pros.

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Broadwell will probably be released sometime in early 2015 and Skylake might be released later on in 2015 if there is not another delay. No one knows, and No, the cpu's will not be released with Yosemite..

Do a Google search on the CPU's and you will learn about some of the Rumors as to their release. Apple does not make the chips, Intel does, and they have their own release dates.

yeah i know intel makes the chips and i was just hoping that they are ready so that apple can release the new macbooks!

 

[ABC5S]

i mean new Macbook Pros.

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yeah i know intel makes the chips and i was just hoping that they are ready so that apple can release the new macbooks!

Nope, not ready. There is a delay already mentioned a while back and 2015 is now the time frame

 

[MuGeN PoWeR]

Nope, not ready. There is a delay already mentioned a while back and 2015 is now the time frame

roger that. thanks for clearing. i think i shall go with my purchase then.

 

[teethemagicbee]

Yeah, broadwell will be early 2015, but you might not see them in Macs till a month or so after. Think that's usually how it goes.

 

[Jayayess1190]

Intel Launching 17 Broadwell-U 14nm Processors at CES 2015 – Will Feature Intel Iris Graphics 6100 GPU

Might Apple use one of these instead of a 28W U series?

 

[Atomic Walrus]

Intel Launching 17 Broadwell-U 14nm Processors at CES 2015 – Will Feature Intel Iris Graphics 6100 GPU

Might Apple use one of these instead of a 28W U series?

In the current MB lineup those are Air CPUs. There would be no reason to drop to lower TDP chips in the 13" MBP unless it came with a major redesign pushing it closer to the current Air's thermal clearance.

There's an ongoing discussion about Apple releasing a 12" "retina" Air that runs on 4.5W Core-M, and that would leave a hole at the current 13" Air's slot. An even more slimmed down 13" rMBP running a slightly lower TDP chip could fit that role, leaving the 15" as the heavy hitter. I know a lot of people are hoping it goes the other way and the 13" gets quad core, but that doesn't sound realistic to me. Anyway all of that is rumors and speculation so for now I'd just assume we're waiting for higher TDP chips for the MBP line.

This is good news in general though because the release cycle is usually pretty predictable once it starts (15W "Air" parts like this first, then CPUs suitable for the MBP line a few months later).

 

[iKrivetko]

In the current MB lineup those are Air CPUs. There would be no reason to drop to lower TDP chips in the 13" MBP unless it came with a major redesign pushing it closer to the current Air's thermal clearance.

There's an ongoing discussion about Apple releasing a 12" "retina" Air that runs on 4.5W Core-M, and that would leave a hole at the current 13" Air's slot. An even more slimmed down 13" rMBP running a slightly lower TDP chip could fit that role, leaving the 15" as the heavy hitter. I know a lot of people are hoping it goes the other way and the 13" gets quad core, but that doesn't sound realistic to me. Anyway all of that is rumors and speculation so for now I'd just assume we're waiting for higher TDP chips for the MBP line.

This is good news in general though because the release cycle is usually pretty predictable once it starts (15W "Air" parts like this first, then CPUs suitable for the MBP line a few months later).

It seems to me that Intel is moving towards reducing the TDPs in general, so I won't be surprised if the 13" MBP gets a 15w chip.

 

[Senf]

Yeah, I've considered the new CPU's lowering the TDP of the rMBP even more and making it thinner, but then again, then it's basically a retina MacBook Air and that does not rhyme with the 12" retina rumors. Once all laptops have retina screens I think the retina label will disappear.

Apple, I know you're reading this... Give the 13" rMBP a quad core Broadwell CPU! I am trying to help you out by throwing money at the screen, but nothing happens!

 

[iKrivetko]

Yeah, I've considered the new CPU's lowering the TDP of the rMBP even more and making it thinner, but then again, then it's basically a retina MacBook Air and that does not rhyme with the 12" retina rumors.

It does rhyme quite well, actually. The Airs will receive the Core M chips and go fanless, while the Pros will just receive cooler chips.

 

[Vanilla35]

It does rhyme quite well, actually. The Airs will receive the Core M chips and go fanless, while the Pros will just receive cooler chips.

So that means the 15" is going desktop-class right?

 

[Atomic Walrus]

So that means the 15" is going desktop-class right?

If Intel's been honest about the 30% power consumption drop (which they say is across the board and so could be applied to TDPs directly)...

There are 65W desktop CPUs, and 70% of 65W happens to be 45.5W. In other words if the 15" uses 47W Broadwell chips it could perform like a 65W desktop CPU.

I'm not sure that there's really a lot of difference there in real world terms as the actual thermal capacity is probably more important, but still interesting. At the very least there'd be more thermal headroom for the iGPU to run with the CPU.

 

[mikeo007]

Intel Launching 17 Broadwell-U 14nm Processors at CES 2015 – Will Feature Intel Iris Graphics 6100 GPU

Might Apple use one of these instead of a 28W U series?

Interesting...Macbook Air class chips with GT3e graphics? That could create one helluva nice Macbook air...

 

[iKrivetko]

Interesting...Macbook Air class chips with GT3e graphics? That could create one helluva nice Macbook air...

I'm pretty sure that the 6100 is an ordinary GT3. And that these won't go into the Airs either.

 

[mikeo007]

I'm pretty sure that the 6100 is an ordinary GT3. And that these won't go into the Airs either.

The source link seems to state that the 6100 will be GT3e. Guess we'll have to wait and see though:

There will also be parts with GT3e “Iris Pro” level graphics chipsets which include the HD 6100 “Iris” GT3e with 48 Execution Units and 128 MB eDRAM cache, HD 6000 with 48 Execution units and no L4 cache, HD 5300/5500 GT2 graphics chip with 24 Execution units and GT1 HD Graphics chip with just 12 Execution units.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/intel-launching...e-intel-iris-graphics-6100-gpu/#ixzz3EzY2p1Xq

 

[iKrivetko]

The source link seems to state that the 6100 will be GT3e. Guess we'll have to wait and see though:

It does, but I'm quite sure that it's a mistake. I can't really see a 15w chip with 128 L4 on it. Although I'd be quite excited if I'm to be proven wrong.

 

[mikeo007]

It does, but I'm quite sure that it's a mistake. I can't really see a 15w chip with 128 L4 on it. Although I'd be quite excited if I'm to be proven wrong.

I was thinking the exact same thing after reading it. It seems odd that they'd change the naming structure for the Iris-level chips since the 5100 was just a GT3 but Intel have been constantly trying to seriously up their iGPU game. Maybe the 6100 is a GT3e part for the U series, while the H series will have an even more powerful 6200?

Or it could just be a typo. But even a GT3 on a 15w chip is a nice boost.

 

[Jayayess1190]

From May: Intel Broadwell GPUs to use HD 5x00, Iris 6100 and Iris Pro 6200 branding

The best performing mobile chips, so called "H" processors, have higher than standard 47 Watt TDP, which allows them to run at higher frequencies and/or have upgraded graphics unit. We already reported that Broadwell "H" processors will have GT2 and GT3e GPU, and, according to our sources, they will be branded as HD Graphics 5600 and Iris Pro Graphics 6200 respectively.

Broadwell "U" ultra low voltage SoCs will be available with 15 Watt and 28 Watt TDP options, and GT2 and GT3 units. There are actually only three TDP and GPU types combinations for "U" parts: 15 Watt SoC with GT2, 15 Watt SoC with GT3, and 28 Watt chip with GT3. Depending on SKU, the GPU on "U" chips will be branded as HD Graphics 5500, HD Graphics 6000 and Iris Graphics 6100.