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Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

plastictoy said:
http://www.sisoftware.co.uk/?d=qa&f=apu_brw_gpu3

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet.

Some insight into the HD6000 and extrapolation into what the Iris HD6100 can deliver (which is basically given extra thermal room to not throttle, 28W total as opposed to 15W power envelopes). Scales pretty linearly but it needs bandwidth and/or eDRAM.
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If we will look at numbers from HD5500 from gaming benchmarks it looks like HD5500 is a little bit faster than HD5000 despite having only 24 cores and 900 MHz clock compared to 40/1000MHz on HD5000.

So HD6000 should be a little bit slower(5-10%) than Iris Pro HD5200 from current MBP15.
HD5200 - 1900-2000 pts in 3dMark11.
HD5500 - 950 pts in 3dMark11.
HD6000 - more than 2x the score of HD5500.

That shows how fast will be Iris Pro from Broadwell... oh, wait.

Skylake, thats what I wanted to write.
 
They COULD get a 970m in there considering its TDP. I'm going to guess it will either be a 965m or a 950m, my guess is the latter.
 
Likely the 950m, they will need that lower TDP to advance in thinness. Also their phobia of anything "GTX" :D
 
Shox2711 said:
Do you think they will try for a thinner body?
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Since they designed the actual one (and its thinnes) for the Ivy Bridge, and Skylake will be much more efficient in power consumtpion and heat generated, it could be possible that they even make it thinner. Well, that if they only use USB Type C. But hell, I don't see the need of making it even thinner in a PRO laptop... It doesn't gives better functionality to the user but reduces it by removing stuff and having less heat dissipation capacity: that means less powerful dGPU in the high-end... if they don't finally drop it, and less headroom for the CPU to work on max load dissipating all its heat.
 
Maybe not in this upcoming iteration, but stepping down in power consumption with the same form factor never hurts.
 
Yeah, I like the current form factor. If they could use it to squeeze a bigger GPU in there so be it :p
 
I would not be using the laptop for gaming, but 3D modelling and vector work associated with Architecture or Planning. How much of a difference would there be in performance between the current 750m and the likely refresher that they will put in the next generation of rMBPs?

Basically, would it be worth waiting for the next one, or is the difference not likely to be large enough to wait the next 5 months (my 18th coming in the next few weeks and the need to have a more capable mobile platform than my current 6490m equipped 2011 model), I get the 15% education discount...so yeah...suggestions?
 
Merackon said:
I would not be using the laptop for gaming, but 3D modelling and vector work associated with Architecture or Planning. How much of a difference would there be in performance between the current 750m and the likely refresher that they will put in the next generation of rMBPs?

Basically, would it be worth waiting for the next one, or is the difference not likely to be large enough to wait the next 5 months (my 18th coming in the next few weeks and the need to have a more capable mobile platform than my current 6490m equipped 2011 model), I get the 15% education discount...so yeah...suggestions?
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If you can afford to wait then wait. If your work is being hindered by the lack of a decent GPU now, then go ahead and get the 750m model :)
 
Do you think the GPU will go up in the same way as the others have done for the past few years? e.g. from 650 to 750 and potentially to 850m. It would be nice to see a 970m for gaming but I wonder about this card's use in the real world and whether it would be good for productivity and not just gaming. I quote it because it is the one in the new 14" Razer Blade.
 
jamesjingyi said:
Do you think the GPU will go up in the same way as the others have done for the past few years? e.g. from 650 to 750 and potentially to 850m. It would be nice to see a 970m for gaming but I wonder about this card's use in the real world and whether it would be good for productivity and not just gaming. I quote it because it is the one in the new 14" Razer Blade.
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I doubt we'll see a 970m. My guess is either a 965m or 950m. Most likely the 950
 
Shox2711 said:
I doubt we'll see a 970m. My guess is either a 965m or 950m. Most likely the 950
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What is the difference between the cards performance wise? Is the 950 more suited towards productivity applications rather than games or is it just a cheaper, lower powered card?

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Shox2711 said:
Do you think they will try for a thinner body?
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Imho the MacBook Pro is already slim enough, especially for the next few iterations at least. However this is what I said about the iPad Air and look where it is (or isn't as the case may be) now!
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one chomping at the bit for some Pro leaks. I really hope they don't ditch the dGPU because having that AND Iris Pro graphics is something that really helps set the MBPr apart IMO.

That being said, what kind of performance can we expect out of Broadwell's IP iGPU vs Haswell's? What about Skylake? :confused:
 
abowlby said:
I'm glad I'm not the only one chomping at the bit for some Pro leaks. I really hope they don't ditch the dGPU because having that AND Iris Pro graphics is something that really helps set the MBPr apart IMO.

That being said, what kind of performance can we expect out of Broadwell's IP iGPU vs Haswell's? What about Skylake? :confused:
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As I know, broadwell's iGPU has the same performance as the nvidia 750m of the MacBook Pro retina 15" .. Skylake I don't know
 
abowlby said:
I'm glad I'm not the only one chomping at the bit for some Pro leaks. I really hope they don't ditch the dGPU because having that AND Iris Pro graphics is something that really helps set the MBPr apart IMO.

That being said, what kind of performance can we expect out of Broadwell's IP iGPU vs Haswell's? What about Skylake? :confused:
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Depends on what iGPU you ask ;).

HD6000 from MBA should be max 5-10% slower than Iris Pro HD5200 from current MBP15.

HD6100 should be 10-15% faster than HD6000, and HD6200(Iris Pro) should be around 40% faster than HD6100(performance numbers should be around GTX670M or faster than it.

Skylake will double the amount of cores, so we can expect at least 50% faster Iris Pro GPU. The biggest difference will be Iris, cause it will get 50% more cores than previous gen, but also, eDRAM which will boost power even more.

I dont expect Skylake Iris to be more behind in performance from Skylake Iris Pro, than 10-15%.
 
Skylake uses 60 percent lower power

Data regards the Skylake-Y the 5W TDP variant of the core which Chipzilla has compared the early silicon with the Broadwell-Y or 5W TDP version of Core M 5Y10 CPU.

According to Intel, the Skylake mobile platform has 60 percent lower SoC power and can sustain up to 35 percent longer 1080p HD playback than the Core M 5Y10. If this is true, this is a great achievement. Intel used the same battery capacity and the system configuration on the Skylake-Y and 5th Generation Core Y processor test beds. You can expect the same 60 percent lower SoC power and up to 35 percent longer HD playback from the Skylake-U versions 5th generation Broadwell-U processor.
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Skylake Notebook coming in Q4 2015

The company is commited to bring the Skylake in 2016 but we now have a more precise time-frame . Intel plans to launch a few Skylake-U 15W TDP Core i7 and Core i5 with more to come in Q1 2016. Most of Skylake-U 28W processors will arrive in Q1 2016.

Intel plans to refresh the Core M line of processors with four new Stock Keeping Units (SKUs) with Y-Processor like grade Skylake. The 14nm Skylake processor processor should have some significant power optimisations enabling significantly longer battery life and enabling the wireless charging possible.

Intel promises that the Skylake mobile platform can help you get rid of the charging cables as it includes wireless charging, at least for some units.

Skylake-H will bring the four core SKU on the market starting with Q4 2015 and continuing with more units in Q1 2016 and onwards. This was the plan all along and we have reported back in the summer of 2014 that Skylake is scheduled for the later part of 2015.
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ValSalva said:
Just out of curiosity, why is it dying? I have a 15" rMBP from 2012 too. I don't render video twenty four hours a day but mine is functioning perfectly.
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Well, that's just an expression but could be the battery (I reached 1000 cicles in 2 years and some months, almost 3 years), some falls, a f*cked up screen... My fan died at the 3rd year (replaced it with one bought in ebay) and the motherboard got replaced because of water spilling (thansk policy insuranse!). That, plus intensive tasks that it can barely handle... Some people need to change the computer after 3-4 years, some can make it last the double, it's a matter of needs and usage.
 
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