Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

[mcarling]

I guess I should get the current rMBP then.

Good idea.

mcarling, if they can match the integrated graphics power with a dedicated one, that's fine. I'm just afraid that in their desire to kill the dedicated graphics the quality will suffer.

You think the quality of Intel products is lower than that of AMD and Nvidia? Is that based on failure rate statistics?

I personally think it's more practical to have separate graphics since you can customize your machine.

Then we should resurrect discrete FPUs, discrete north bridges, discrete IO controllers. Frankly it doesn't really bother me that the chipset in my rMBP can support VGA graphics (that feature will be dropped from Skylake). I don't feel any need to customize my machine by removing support at the chip level for features I don't need.

Ordinary folks don't need that much GPU power for browsing the net and watching movies.

That's why Intel offer several different levels of iGPU power.

If someone just can't live with the lower cost, higher reliability, and faster CPU-GPU communication provided by integrating the CPU and GPU onto the same die, then buy a rMBP while there is still a discrete GPU option.

 

[kontrast]

I truly hope the next MacBooks have a discrete GPU still. I think the new integrated Intel stuff is great but it's not touching an Nvidia 970m/980m. Hell even a 960m. There is still a very large market for mobile discrete GPUs and I don't want my $2000 macbook to compromise on something like that.

 

[Adhvaitv]

is this time wo wait for new rMPB or to buy existing one ?

 

[jimmypopulous]

Correct. Intel's focus is on improved the integrated GPU in order to kill off the discrete GPU market. The potential doubling of transistors that comes with each Tick cycle could be used to increase the number of cores (it is with the server CPUs) however with mobile and desktop CPUs most of the additional transistors are added to the iGPU. Intel will return to adding cores when the dGPU market is dead, maybe with Cannonlake.


The iGPU boost will obviate the historical need for discrete graphics in the high-end 15" rMBP. It's only question of when. Broadwell or Skylake.

There's a whole lot of wrong on these forums when it comes to anything even a toenail beyond the usual Apple market, but this is the first time I feel compelled to post.

As an example of how wrong you are, look at NVidia's financial statements and then browse their current mobile offerings. Compare those mobile offerings - even the entry-level chips that are now a few years old - with the capabilities of Intel's most sophisticated integrated GPUs.

It's not all about transistor count. Architecture matters. Apple fans more than any group should understand that. Your statements here are easily contradicted by even a cursory analysis of the current mobile market. And if you were also talking about discrete GPUs going the way of the dodo on desktops as well, then that's not just a poor analysis but complete fantasy.

 

[tanchik]

Good idea.


You think the quality of Intel products is lower than that of AMD and Nvidia? Is that based on failure rate statistics?

Indeed. Play a game and see for yourself. No statistics needed.

Then we should resurrect discrete FPUs, discrete north bridges, discrete IO controllers. Frankly it doesn't really bother me that the chipset in my rMBP can support VGA graphics (that feature will be dropped from Skylake). I don't feel any need to customize my machine by removing support at the chip level for features I don't need.

some do, it usually saves money.

That's why Intel offer several different levels of iGPU power.

If someone just can't live with the lower cost, higher reliability, and faster CPU-GPU communication provided by integrating the CPU and GPU onto the same die, then buy a rMBP while there is still a discrete GPU option.

Will have to wait a few years before iGPU matches dGPU. I'd rather pay $$$ for guaranteed top performance. This difference literally means life or death for my Mac as my old one got fried.

 

[chad.petree]

Hey guys, I see everybody keeps talking about the new retina macbook air 12" but I'm actually waiting for the new 15" macbook pro retina display , but I haven't seen any rumors whatsoever, right now I have a late 2012 macbook pro retina 15" and I regret everyday buying the model with the stock 256 gb but Apple was asking for 500 eur extra for a 500 gb SSD!!! a friend of mine wants me to sell him my laptop for a decent price, I think it's not a bad deal, have you heard anything about the 2015 Retina Macbook pro 15"? 4k Display maybe? Smaller bezels and smaller frame like the leaked 12" Macbook Air?

What concerns me the most is how the integrated Iris Pro 5200 Graphics perform since apple removed the dedicated GPU from the standard 15" model, it cannot perform better than my dedicated GeForce GT 650M can't it? My macbook already struggles when I'm scrolling on content heavy websites, PDFS and some choppy animations here and there while using it

 

[thebrobrah]

its looking more and more likely broadwell is skipped

maybe the air gets it ..

 

[jsagurton]

Hey guys, I see everybody keeps talking about the new retina macbook air 12" but I'm actually waiting for the new 15" macbook pro retina display , but I haven't seen any rumors whatsoever, right now I have a late 2012 macbook pro retina 15" and I regret everyday buying the model with the stock 256 gb but Apple was asking for 500 eur extra for a 500 gb SSD!!! a friend of mine wants me to sell him my laptop for a decent price, I think it's not a bad deal, have you heard anything about the 2015 Retina Macbook pro 15"? 4k Display maybe? Smaller bezels and smaller frame like the leaked 12" Macbook Air?

What concerns me the most is how the integrated Iris Pro 5200 Graphics perform since apple removed the dedicated GPU from the standard 15" model, it cannot perform better than my dedicated GeForce GT 650M can't it? My macbook already struggles when I'm scrolling on content heavy websites, PDFS and some choppy animations here and there while using it

It seems pretty unlikely we'll see an upgrade in resolution or in the chassis at this point. The display on the rMBP is already EXCELLENT.

 

[Crobeccada]

I see in this thread that so many users thinks that the update for the MacBook Retina 15" comes later in the fall. I don't think that Apple doesn't update the Mackbook for so long time(last update was a "middle" on june 2014...), instead I think that will be an early(now on February or march a minor update- maybe the GPU?-) and a late(mayor -skylake or broadwell) update. What do you think about it?

 

[nirvanemesis]

I see in this thread that so many users thinks that the update for the MacBook Retina 15" comes later in the fall. I don't think that Apple doesn't update the Mackbook for so long time(last update was a "middle" on june 2014...), instead I think that will be an early(now on February or march a minor update- maybe the GPU?-) and a late(mayor -skylake or broadwell) update. What do you think about it?

There's not that much they can update if they don't pack in Broadwell or Skylake, especially since neither of those two have chips out for the 15" yet, and the dedicated GPU is only for the high end 15". Mac sales are hardly slipping; if a customer wants a new MacBook right now, they'll just get whatever's out.

 

[Crobeccada]

There's not that much they can update if they don't pack in Broadwell or Skylake, especially since neither of those two have chips out for the 15" yet, and the dedicated GPU is only for the high end 15". Mac sales are hardly slipping; if a customer wants a new MacBook right now, they'll just get whatever's out.

So you think that for the first time since 2011 Apple doesn't go for an early after a mid update? You don't think that will be there too much time between the last update (mid 2014) and an eventually late 2015 update?

 

[nirvanemesis]

So you think that for the first time since 2011 Apple doesn't go for an early after a mid update? You don't think that will be there too much time between the last update (mid 2014) and an eventually late 2015 update?

There's nothing to update. Without a new shrunk Intel chip, Apple can't update the design of the chassis or offer any real selling points. Broadwell was behind schedule, so it's not unreasonable that Apple's update schedule is now off.

 

[Crobeccada]

Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

There's nothing to update. Without a new shrunk Intel chip, Apple can't update the design of the chassis or offer any real selling points. Broadwell was behind schedule, so it's not unreasonable that Apple's update schedule is now off.

Is not possible a silent update (Apple do many times this..) of the GPU( nvidia Gt750 was presented on 2013) ..?

 

[nirvanemesis]

Is not possible a silent update (Apple do many times this..) of the GPU( nvidia Gt750 was presented on 2013) ..?

It's unlikely. The nvidia GPU is only on the high end 15", so it's not worth a silent refresh at the MacBook Air reveal by itself. The 750 wasn't even updated last year, so I can't see them focusing on it before Broadwell/Skylake.

 

[prospervic]

What concerns me the most is how the integrated Iris Pro 5200 Graphics perform since apple removed the dedicated GPU from the standard 15" model, it cannot perform better than my dedicated GeForce GT 650M can't it? My macbook already struggles when I'm scrolling on content heavy websites, PDFS and some choppy animations here and there while using it

Surprising that you are having those graphics issues. I have the 2012 rMBP as well (2.6ghz, 512gb, 16gb ram), and my MBP has no problem with scrolling or animations.

I wonder: 1. Do these problems also happen when running the discrete 650M card? (get the free GFX card status app to make sure). 2. Have you upgraded to Yosemite, or even Mavericks? (Mavericks allocated twice as much memory as Mountain Lion to the integrated graphics, making a big improvement in retina display performance).

 

[chad.petree]

Surprising that you are having those graphics issues. I have the 2012 rMBP as well (2.6ghz, 512gb, 16gb ram), and my MBP has no problem with scrolling or animations.

I wonder: 1. Do these problems also happen when running the discrete 650M card? (get the free GFX card status app to make sure). 2. Have you upgraded to Yosemite, or even Mavericks? (Mavericks allocated twice as much memory as Mountain Lion to the integrated graphics, making a big improvement in retina display performance).

I opted for having the dedicated GPU all the time, and yes it has improved a lot, and yes updating to yosemite/mavericks made a big difference but it still struggles with the scrolling in some apps , pdfs with preview are a disaster,choppy choppy, what do you use when you want to read a pdf?

 

[prospervic]

I opted for having the dedicated GPU all the time, and yes it has improved a lot, and yes updating to yosemite/mavericks made a big difference but it still struggles with the scrolling in some apps , pdfs with preview are a disaster,choppy choppy, what do you use when you want to read a pdf?

I use Preview. Never have any issues, even on integrated graphics. Really stumped about yours. Sorry you are going through that. I don't suppose you bought Apple Care (probably not, since you are planning to get rid of it).

 

[grahamperrin]

Avoiding NVIDIA

… The nvidia GPU is only on the high end …

I'd prefer anything other than NVIDIA. For what it's worth. (I can't go into detail; sorry.)

Anyone thinks rMBP will get a wedge design? I hated it at first but now i think it's awesome.

Wedges looked great … on some men, around 1982. New romantic.

For my next Apple notebook, I'm leaning towards a Purdey cut.

 

[Crobeccada]

https://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/04/apple-media-event-late-february/

Updates for Macbook Retina 15" too??

 

[grahamperrin]

https://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/04/apple-media-event-late-february/ …

"… Update … Apple will not be holding a late February media event.

 

[zyr123]

Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

Hey everyone with a late 2011 mbpro with Radeon gate lets send all of them to tim cooks house. With the same note.

What is apple waiting for. I'm not the only one who would drop 3100$ the second the broadwell pro comes out.

 

[Vanilla Face]

"… Update … Apple will not be holding a late February media event.

I don't see why 9to5 saying they have sources that indicate there is not a media event would override another source saying there is, especially with a company like Apple that works on a tight need-to-know basis.

 

[grahamperrin]

Orientation

I don't see …

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20675693&posted=1#post20675693

 

[iamthecondenser]

Who else thinks that Apple might skip Broadwell and go straight to Skylake?

 

[Vanilla Face]

Who else thinks that Apple might skip Broadwell and go straight to Skylake?

I think they will release the rMBA with a Broadwell processor, but might skip Broadwell with the MBP, especially the 13". It was last updated in July. Skylake-U Should be out at the end of Quarter 2 according to their roadmap. Skylake-U is what would be in the 13", while Skylake-H would be in the 15". I can't find Skylake-H on a roadmap, or even Broadwell-H on a recent roadmap. One from a few months ago had Broadwell-H coming in Q2. Perhaps they would update the 13" to Skylake and the 15" to broadwell? I'm sure Apple has a more precise idea of when Intel will be rolling out various processors than we do.