MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

Q4 2017 or Q1 2018. I suggest remembering this timespan and carefully observing Intel's announcements. Big news, economical news.

Intel's new Skylake-X 8 core 7820x looks compelling to me. Clocked the same as Ryzen 1800x, but Turbo boost 2.0 at 4.3 Ghz, Turbo boost 3.0 at 4.5 GHz, and 28 PCI lanes. This could be the perfect balance for me. I was all set to build a Ryzen Workstation, but I think I can wait a few more weeks for the Skylake X launch. The processor is $100 more, but I think it hits the sweet spot for my use. I need fast single core performance for After Effects and some single threaded processes in C4d, and the new intel 8 core is a beast. Ryzen's single core boost doesn't come close, and I don't think I'm going to overclock this time for longevity.

The only thing I don't get is quad channel ram with Skylake X. Does it offer any real benefits over dual channel? Does it mean I have to install 4 ram chips at minimum?

I was (and still am) excited by Ryzen, but all the growing pains in BIOS updates and ram compatibility make me itch just considering it. I'm exhausted with watching all the Ryzen vids and trying to figure out good hardware. Not to mention the slow as hell POST times I see from Ryzen motherboards. I'm spoiled by my lightning fast MacBook Air boot.
 
Intel's new Skylake-X 8 core 7820x looks compelling to me. Clocked the same as Ryzen 1800x, but Turbo boost 2.0 at 4.3 Ghz, Turbo boost 3.0 at 4.5 GHz, and 28 PCI lanes. This could be the perfect balance for me. I was all set to build a Ryzen Workstation, but I think I can wait a few more weeks for the Skylake X launch. The processor is $100 more, but I think it hits the sweet spot for my use. I need fast single core performance for After Effects and some single threaded processes in C4d, and the new intel 8 core is a beast. Ryzen's single core boost doesn't come close, and I don't think I'm going to overclock this time for longevity.

The only thing I don't get is quad channel ram with Skylake X. Does it offer any real benefits over dual channel? Does it mean I have to install 4 ram chips at minimum?

I was (and still am) excited by Ryzen, but all the growing pains in BIOS updates and ram compatibility make me itch just considering it. I'm exhausted with watching all the Ryzen vids and trying to figure out good hardware. Not to mention the slow as hell POST times I see from Ryzen motherboards. I'm spoiled by my lightning fast MacBook Air boot.
The quote has nothing to do with Intel CPUs ;).

If you are asking, for the same price of 8 Cores from Intel you will be able to buy 12 cores from AMD, if current rumors are correct.

P.S. At current moment there is not that much problems with Ryzen platform. AGESA 1.0.0.6 solved Memory problems, and added more compatibility. Threadripper is launching in August, and 99% of problems will be solved by that moment.

P.S.2 What is POST?
 
The quote has nothing to do with Intel CPUs ;).

Ah, then you are being too mysterious for me. I thought the intel announcements you might be referring to were their recent announcement of their new processor lines.

If you are asking, for the same price of 8 Cores from Intel you will be able to buy 12 cores from AMD, if current rumors are correct.

Ooo, am I reading you correctly that the rumor is that a 12 core AMD chip will only be $100 more expensive than the 8 core Ryzen 1800x?

That does sound great, but I think I might need to stick with something with a higher single core boost speed for the best balance in my machine. 8 seems to be the sweet spot at this point in time that balances clock speed and number of cores, and I still have an alarmingly high number of single threaded tasks in my workflow. The biggest being After Effects (which lost multithreading a while back as they rewrite the app)

P.S. At current moment there is not that much problems with Ryzen platform. AGESA 1.0.0.6 solved Memory problems, and added more compatibility. Threadripper is launching in August, and 99% of problems will be solved by that moment.

I might just have to give it more time. I'm glad I didn't build on in March, that stuff was a mess at launch. Motherboards bricking, instabilities, etc.

I'm still seeing builders with constant issues and the 1.0.0.6 AGESA update hopefully will fix that.

P.S.2 What is POST?

Power On Self Test.

Some of the higher quality X370 boards from ASRock I've been looking at can take up to 30-45 seconds to get through the initial self test before it even begins booting windows or linux. I'm extra impatient so I'm disappointed by that. ;-)
 
Power On Self Test.

Some of the higher quality X370 boards from ASRock I've been looking at can take up to 30-45 seconds to get through the initial self test before it even begins booting windows or linux. I'm extra impatient so I'm disappointed by that. ;-)
Oh come on. I though you were talking about HTTP protocol :D, that somehow is related to Motherboard tests :D.
 
Power On Self Test.

Some of the higher quality X370 boards from ASRock I've been looking at can take up to 30-45 seconds to get through the initial self test before it even begins booting windows or linux. I'm extra impatient so I'm disappointed by that. ;-)
You should be happy, my big servers (DL580 Gen9) with quad sockets, 72 cores, 2 TiB of RAM, quad GTX 1080Ti take more than six minutes in POST. A big chunk of that is setting up the 64 DIMMs....
 
That is brutal. But at least you are booting up a ton of hardware with it!
$ uptime
12:29:17 up 145 days, 7:27, 5 users, load average: 12.80, 10.87, 12.02

It works out to about 12 minutes a year in POST. (And 145 days ago facilities did electrical maintenance on the building that the computers are in....)
 
You should be happy, my big servers (DL580 Gen9) with quad sockets, 72 cores, 2 TiB of RAM, quad GTX 1080Ti take more than six minutes in POST. A big chunk of that is setting up the 64 DIMMs....

Boot time on the HP servers just gets worse and worse doesn't it! We don't spec ours out QUITE so big (64 cores / 512GB) but it's still a snoozefest waiting for them to come up.
 
Boot time on the HP servers just gets worse and worse doesn't it! We don't spec ours out QUITE so big (64 cores / 512GB) but it's still a snoozefest waiting for them to come up.
But does it really matter if you reboot once or twice a year?

I don't mind waiting six minutes for the system to check all of the memory, all four sockets, all 160 PCIe lanes, the RAID controllers, the 10GbE controllers, the NVMe PCIe switch,....

I don't even mind when I add another TiB of RAM, and the system does a medium-fast memory initialization because it sees that the amount of RAM has changed from the last boot. I'm perfectly happy with an extra ten minutes of POST every time I add $22K of RAM to the system.
 
But does it really matter if you reboot once or twice a year?

I don't mind waiting six minutes for the system to check all of the memory, all four sockets, all 160 PCIe lanes, the RAID controllers, the 10GbE controllers, the NVMe PCIe switch,....

I don't even mind when I add another TiB of RAM, and the system does a medium-fast memory initialization because it sees that the amount of RAM has changed from the last boot. I'm perfectly happy with an extra ten minutes of POST every time I add $22K of RAM to the system.

We reboot more often than that to be fair as we try our best to keep on top of patching, firmware updates, etc. It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but it is pretty tedious all the same, especially when you're rotating through patching a couple of clusters.. a lot of time spent looking at the 'BIOS' screen.
 
You should be happy, my big servers (DL580 Gen9) with quad sockets, 72 cores, 2 TiB of RAM, quad GTX 1080Ti take more than six minutes in POST. A big chunk of that is setting up the 64 DIMMs....

Somehow I have a hard time feeling sorry for you having to wait 6 minutes on that beast. When I'm at work (healthcare setting) and our servers get glitchy, they tell us it takes them 2-4 hrs to get them rebooted. I'm convinced that part of that time is our IT staff using the servers for high-end gaming, but that's another story...

Anyhow, back to the 7,1...
 
Intel's new Skylake-X 8 core 7820x looks compelling to me. Clocked the same as Ryzen 1800x, but Turbo boost 2.0 at 4.3 Ghz, Turbo boost 3.0 at 4.5 GHz, and 28 PCI lanes. This could be the perfect balance for me. I was all set to build a Ryzen Workstation, but I think I can wait a few more weeks for the Skylake X launch. The processor is $100 more, but I think it hits the sweet spot for my use. I need fast single core performance for After Effects and some single threaded processes in C4d, and the new intel 8 core is a beast. Ryzen's single core boost doesn't come close, and I don't think I'm going to overclock this time for longevity.
When you will actually build it, can you come back here and tell the cost of the platform overall? CPU+MoBO+ RAM cost is interesting for me.
 
It appears that Skylake - X IPC, clock for clock, is 5-7% higher than Broadwell-E, and 6-8% higher than Ryzen CPUs.
 
When you will actually build it, can you come back here and tell the cost of the platform overall? CPU+MoBO+ RAM cost is interesting for me.

I'll price one out as soon as the parts pop up. I'm betting that the new intel motherboards are going to be more expensive than the x370 ryzen boards.

I'm hovering around 2k for my ryzen 1800x build. But that's because I don't want to buy a cheaper processor and overclock it.
 
First performance benchmarks of Xeon Gold based on 18 core CPU(the same as Core i9, but costing much more).
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Intel's new Skylake-X 8 core 7820x looks compelling to me. Clocked the same as Ryzen 1800x, but Turbo boost 2.0 at 4.3 Ghz, Turbo boost 3.0 at 4.5 GHz, and 28 PCI lanes. This could be the perfect balance for me. I was all set to build a Ryzen Workstation, but I think I can wait a few more weeks for the Skylake X launch. The processor is $100 more, but I think it hits the sweet spot for my use. I need fast single core performance for After Effects and some single threaded processes in C4d, and the new intel 8 core is a beast. Ryzen's single core boost doesn't come close, and I don't think I'm going to overclock this time for longevity.

The only thing I don't get is quad channel ram with Skylake X. Does it offer any real benefits over dual channel? Does it mean I have to install 4 ram chips at minimum?

I was (and still am) excited by Ryzen, but all the growing pains in BIOS updates and ram compatibility make me itch just considering it. I'm exhausted with watching all the Ryzen vids and trying to figure out good hardware. Not to mention the slow as hell POST times I see from Ryzen motherboards. I'm spoiled by my lightning fast MacBook Air boot.


I'm seriously thinking the same thing. A lot of builders are confuzzled over the new Skylake X chips and x299 boards - even angry.

The thing I like about both of these chips and mobos, is the rumored overclockability potential compared to the previous i7 chips. I also like the fact the majority of the boards offer multiple M2 drive sockets - even upwards of 5.

It's unfortunate Intel cut the lanes down from 40 to 28 on the 6 and 8 core chips, but I don't really need 40, as I'm not going to run multiple GPUs. If I can get an 8 core that can safely maintain a 5GHz clock speed to use with Capture One Pro and Photoshop, along with a good single GPU, and utilize three M2 drives - that would fall in perfectly for 28 lanes. And that machine will scream for heavy duty photography processing - especially with the high megapixel counts.

If you check out this Processor test:

http://ksimonian.com/Blog/2010/02/2...for-both-mac-pc-free-radial-blur-filter-test/

...which favors Multiple Cores, it's interesting to note that an overclocked $380 6-core processors came in 9th with 10.4 seconds...

Intel i7-5820k, 3.3 GHz, overclocked to 4.6 GHz, Windows 10, Pro Creative Cloud 2015.5 == 10.4 Seconds

My monster 2009 2.66GHz quad core Nehalem chip scored a whopping 35.6s. damn, I need an upgrade. LOLOL


Also note there's a video where a stock Ryzen 1700 scored an 8.8 on this test, and when it was overclocked to 3.5GHz, it scored a 7.7. ...for a $300 chip. That's pretty sick - but Ryzen does lag behind in single core performance... which means it would lag behind in most of the PS work.

A 2013 8-core Mac Pro scored 15 seconds.

Considering Intel seems to be really pushing the performance limits for this rather 'impromptu' chip release to stave off Ryzen for a moment, I'd have to believe those 6 and 8 core Skylake X chips are going to be fantastic performers - regardless of all the backlash Intel is receiving over this release.

I'm still hesitant on Ryzen for now. They seem incredibly promising and I love what they're doing - especially in that AMD seems to have shaken/woken-up Intel a bit and forced them to push their envelope again. But the next round of (updated) Ryzen 8 core chips might be ready for primetime workstations.
 
Also note there's a video where a stock Ryzen 1700 scored an 8.8 on this test, and when it was overclocked to 3.5GHz, it scored a 7.7. ...for a $300 chip. That's pretty sick - but Ryzen does lag behind in single core performance... which means it would lag behind in most of the PS work.
Clock for clock Broadwell-E is faster 1-2% than Ryzen, and Skylake - X will be faster 6-8%. The problem with Ryzen's IPC is overblown.
 
hey, my new table saw does that!
(7 secs or so)

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and totally out-specs even Aiden's beasts ;)
10"
52" fence
5hp
230v/3 phase/13A
685 lb

Does it have auto-stop finger protection? I've seen them test those with hot dogs, and I see they work, but I'd NEVER test it on my finger. Also, 52" is a YUUUUGE rip fence. I'm envious.

You building furniture/cabinetry with that sucker?
 
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