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fwiw, i don't think there should be any vendors.. and more to the point, i don't think there should be a monetary system at all.. like, the idea that apple should open up macOS times a thousand.. that is my personal ideal regarding all of this.
again, for what it's worth.
but that's not going to happen anytime soon..

so now what?
apple should let nVidia invade their OS? apple wants more control over their ecosystem.. not less.
being dependent on other vendors, especially those for whom Apple is a small client, is a direction apple is showing time and time again to move away from.
and in many regards, i do believe this attitude will/does equate to a better user experience if you choose to use apple products.


"Consumer friendly" ? "nvidia open sources CUDA" ? In an apple forum ? OK, how about apple licenses macOS to other vendors, then ?
sure.. not even license it out.. just upload the source and give everyone a link.. i'm all for it.. seriously, i am.
but so what.. it doesn't matter because it's not going to happen (anytime soon).


however, the fact that Apple won't open up macOS does nothing to negate what i said:

how about this-- nvidia open sources CUDA instead.?
that's the consumer friendly way to go about this.
that is the consumer friendly way to go about it.

Let's see how many people will still keep buying macs when that happens.
macs aren't going to be around forever.. probably only a very short time left if looking at the big picture.. like, i highly doubt there will be a 2040 iMac..

and maybe apple will release macOS or parts of it to the wild.. but when/if that happens, people aren't going to keep buying macs because there won't be any for sale.

All they have to do is to officially "unlock the door" and it will be the end of mac computers. But what's the point of discussing the obvious ?
i don't know.. to me, it's pretty freaking obvious they're not going to do that in the near future.. like 100% obvious..
so why people even battle about it is.. weird?

So, apple is giving a fight against proprietary systems by supporting opencl-only ? If you really believe that, then there's only one way for you; Linux. In a Linux forum, your arguments might had a chance.

no.. they're making their own solution.. Metal
also, not sure if you've been paying attention but they make their own GPUs now too.

they'll support openCL, sure.. but that's not the basket storing all the eggs.

again, apple wants control over their software and how it works with their hardware.. metal gives them this.. custom GPUs give them this..
and they're definitely not taking the easy nor cheap way out..

but they're not fighting proprietary systems by supporting only open standards.. they're fighting proprietary systems with proprietary systems.
 
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If Microsoft can get a fully functional Windows 10 modified version to run (via emulation) on ARM CPU devices, then why not Apple getting macOS to also run on an ARM CPU device? Although: Intel is trying to derail that plan, via patent protection liabilities. At some point in the future, an iPad (with a custom ARM CPU inside) may be running macOS instead of iOS.
 
fwiw, i don't think there should be any vendors.. and more to the point, i don't think there should be a monetary system at all.. like, the idea that apple should open up macOS times a thousand.. that is my personal ideal regarding all of this.
again, for what it's worth.
but that's not going to happen anytime soon..

so now what?
apple should let nVidia invade their OS? apple wants more control over their ecosystem.. not less.
being dependent on other vendors, especially those for whom Apple is a small client, is a direction apple is showing time and time again to move away from.
and in many regards, i do believe this attitude will/does equate to a better user experience if you choose to use apple products.



sure.. not even license it out.. just upload the source and give everyone a link.. i'm all for it.. seriously, i am.
but so what.. it doesn't matter because it's not going to happen (anytime soon).


however, the fact that Apple won't open up macOS does nothing to negate what i said:

how about this-- nvidia open sources CUDA instead.?
that's the consumer friendly way to go about this.
that is the consumer friendly way to go about it.


macs aren't going to be around forever.. probably only a very short time left if looking at the big picture.. like, i highly doubt there will be a 2040 iMac..

and maybe apple will release macOS or parts of it to the wild.. but when/if that happens, people aren't going to keep buying macs because there won't be any for sale.


i don't know.. to me, it's pretty freaking obvious they're not going to do that in the near future.. like 100% obvious..
so why people even battle about it is.. weird?



no.. they're making their own solution.. Metal
also, not sure if you've been paying attention but they make their own GPUs now too.

they'll support openCL, sure.. but that's not the basket storing all the eggs.

again, apple wants control over their software and how it works with their hardware.. metal gives them this.. custom GPUs give them this..
and they're definitely not taking the easy nor cheap way out..

but they're not fighting proprietary systems by supporting only open standards.. they're fighting proprietary systems with proprietary systems.

...and agreed to all. Even with the non-IT related (well, except for the 'invade' part - there's no greater invasion than apple-blessed bootcamp, and still people praising apple for this cause it widens their choices, giving more people less reasons to switch).

My last point; all of the above are from apple's PoV. But we are not apple, we are their long-time customers.
If things were the other way around regarding GPUs, I would equally defend everyone's demand that AMD would be included in apple's line up. What really "pushes by buttons" is when a choice is taken away. And apple is all about that lately (more than they used to be, at least).
 
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For the Mac Pro: It sounds like Nvidia will be considered again, but the amount of catch up on the software side they would need to do, and Vega really looking good makes me think there just won't be any huge reason for Apple to do Nvidia. I don't think they'll make a decision for Nvidia just on CUDA.
My sources are telling me that AMD secured exclusivity on Apple hardware up to 2019 ;). At least for GPUs.

So it appears no Nvidia hardware for foreseeable future on Mac.
 
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha :eek:
Ask people from creative market, what they think about WWDC announcements, and concept of Nvidia being out of Apple hardware.

What I am talking about: Software developers will not care about Nvidia and will adapt to Apple platform, not to customers outlook of world.
 
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Do you create software for Apple hardware? Premiere, Adobe Creative Suite, etc?

1. Premiere is part of creative suite, no need to list it twice.
2. Creative Suite is, believe it or not, not the only software in the 'creative market'
3. I am a user in the creative market. We will use whatever the best tool for the job is, not whatever tool Apple deems worthy.

With their steadily increasing hostility towards the high end creative pro market over the past ~10 years, Apple has lost credibility with that market. It started with the purchase and death of Shake (with no replacement), the Xserve, Xserve RAID, lack of GPU upgrades, FCPx fiasco, lobotomizing of Logic, etc. I mean, its 2017 and they STILL don't have a freaking Activity Monitor app that works correctly.

So I hope that this recent acknowledgement of their mistakes with the nMP is more than just lip service and that they've truly learned their lesson. I'd love to be able to return to OSX on work machines. There is a lot to like there. But right now their pro offerings use case is FCPx. If you're not using that, then you'd be nuts to be on the platform.
 
My sources are telling me that AMD secured exclusivity on Apple hardware up to 2019 ;). At least for GPUs.

So it appears no Nvidia hardware for foreseeable future on Mac.

Sounds about right to me. There is a disconnect between engineer and management for reasons you might be aware of that kind of forces things.

Disconnect might be too strong of a word. I don't get the feeling engineering is happy with Nvidia either. But I think there is some discontent with the Polaris hardware that has been shipped.

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Do you create software for Apple hardware? Premiere, Adobe Creative Suite, etc?

Also remember Apple everyone is dipping their toe into pro software on iOS (like Adobe.) There is no Nvidia hardware on iOS, and no CUDA.

Metal is universal though.
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OpenCL will stay on version 1.2 for the foreseeable future. So you are discussing whether it's best to be locked into a deprecated OpenCL environment, a proprietary CUDA environment, or a yet unknown Metal2 environment? o_O

Metal 2 is known.

Metal's biggest problem is with drivers right now. Has been for the last several versions.
 
OpenCL will stay on version 1.2 for the foreseeable future. So you are discussing whether it's best to be locked into a deprecated OpenCL environment, a proprietary CUDA environment, or a yet unknown Metal2 environment? o_O
as far as i can gather..
apple is providing the ability to lock yourself into any one of those three if you so desire.
no?
 
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I know it's been said before...but...Apple will probably buy AMD. The company needs to be managed better with more aim for power efficiency. Right now AMD have that card dropping clown in charge and every time he speaks he appears clueless.
 
I know it's been said before...but...Apple will probably buy AMD. The company needs to be managed better with more aim for power efficiency. Right now AMD have that card dropping clown in charge and every time he speaks he appears clueless.
On what you are basing this on?
 
I know it's been said before...but...Apple will probably buy AMD. The company needs to be managed better with more aim for power efficiency. Right now AMD have that card dropping clown in charge and every time he speaks he appears clueless.

I don't think they need to buy AMD right now.
 
I don't see what Apple gets from buying AMD. Intel is providing plenty of CPU performance and if they want better GPU performance, there is always nVidia.
 
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