MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

CircleTect said:
Agreed, but it also depends. You can already get 2.5" drives up to 2TB - and if you can support multiple of them, that's a quite a lot of storage. 3.5" drives are still the standard in server infrastructure, but not for computers. I would be INCREDIBLY surprised if the new mMP supported them. Most companies we deal with who need multiple workstation setups use local server storage anyway.

In terms of the PCIE issue - I would tend to agree. Apart from the GPU though, there aren't many use cases for additional cards that require more than a x4 connection that a TB accessory couldn't handle.

My bet is still on a small form factor system.
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2Tb SSD drive - $500. 2Tb HD - $65; SSDs are still not cost effective for large data sets.

If I had all of my media ripped to iTunes it would be about 8Tb, just by itself.
 
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ssgbryan said:
2Tb SSD drive - $500. 2Tb HD - $65; SSDs are still not cost effective for large data sets.

If I had all of my media ripped to iTunes it would be about 8Tb, just by itself.
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From one volume on my home PC:

Code: 
     Total Files Listed:
           467069 File(s) 22,211,924,074,450 bytes
           75351 Dir(s)    1,788,306,571,264 bytes free

The volume is eight 4 TB drives in RAID-6.
 
pat500000 said:
Any Mac Pro news?
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https://wccftech.com/amd-fenghuang-desktop-apu-with-15ff-28-cu-graphics/

Ahh sorri,this goes on the iMac 2018
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singhs.apps said:
Then I hope zen+ makes its way into the mMP with all of its high core counts and PCI lanes goodness.
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https://wccftech.com/amd-fenghuang-desktop-apu-with-15ff-28-cu-graphics/
Not for the mMP but this Huge APU AMD (28 vega cores + 8 Ryzen Cores) it could land on the next iMac 5K ...

I Think the mMP will Ship with AMD Epyc 8-to 32 Cores
 
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Since it's most likely the Mac Pro will be sporting some legacy tech (if only USB 3 Type A ports) I think it'd be nice if it came with some bulk storage options—say, a 3.5" bay you can outfit with cheaper 2.5" spinning or SATA storage like on the Z workstations. Obviously the boot drive should be as fast as possible.
 
fuchsdh said:
Obviously the boot drive should be as fast as possible.
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Any SSD (SATA or PCIe) is fast enough for the boot drive - you don't boot very often, and tests clearly show that faster SSDs don't show much improvement in boot times. Application startup performance is similarly little improved with faster boot drives.

Both booting and application startup need a lot of CPU to initialize things - so getting any SSD (to eliminate head movement delays) is fine. It's big to move up from a spinner, but the incremental improvement from a SATA SSD to PCIe or NVMe is very small.

A pro system should have fast *data* drives. It's loading and saving the multi-GB data files that need fast IO.
 
iMac Pro should be up today but no additional info yet.
The mMP might hit the same price point as the iMac Pro since it should use the standard W CPUs, instead of the B versions inside the iMac Pro. That will give Apple an excuse to mark up, not that they need one.
You loose the screen but you get a better CPU.
I wouldn't count much on the PCIe slots though.
 
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Seems only 8 and 10 core available now, 18 only next year.
[doublepost=1513262709][/doublepost]The T2 packs a lot of punch, they've integrated a lot of stuff there. They're reducing their dependency on others.
Looks good so far, eager for the reviews.
Now, if they mentioned the mMP this could indicate that there might be news soon (-ish). At least there must be some work done and a final design has been reached - maybe. Otherwise, would they mention it now? Well, they have talked about in the past but now it seems somewhat solid.
I guess we'll have to wait a bit more and not jump on the iMac Pro bandwagon just yet.
 
CTO playing with the iMac Pro and most tiers are competitive actually cheaper than DIY, with only TWO Exceptions: 128GB Ram is 400$ over it market cost, also the SSD storage is CRAZY Expensive.

I could order the iMac pro with the following configuration:
  • 10 Core Xeon
  • 1 GB NVMe
  • Vega 64/16GB
  • 64 GB Ram
  • Mouse and TouchPad
Total 7348 $

How much cost the same configuration from Dell or HP (5K Display) ?
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mikeboss said:
IMHO the most interesting part of today's iMac Pro press release:

"In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest performance, high-throughput system in a modular, upgradeable design, as well as a new high-end pro display."

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/12/imac-pro-the-most-powerful-mac-ever-available-today/
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I dont wanna be a jerk, but ...

Don't hold your breath yet, Upgradeable, doesn't means You Can Put What You Want on it, Apple May Offer A.E. a custom proprietary GPU design, one which you can Install by your self (or at AppleStore) but only available from Apple, from time on time...
 
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it seems no Face ID in the iMac Pro yet. Maybe the new mMP display will have it. And new rMBPs. With all the investments in it they will want to use it everywhere.

I would still like to see two Mac Pro models:

1. nMP 2018
a revised nMP with upgraded internals, W CPUs, dual Vega GPUs, Titan Ridge based TB3, NVMe SSDs (dual), beefier power supply, slightly larger case if needed, space grey accessories and of course the new TB3 display

2. mMP 2018 cheese grater case (re-designed maybe), single or dual SP CPU (although I don't believe we'll have dual CPUs anymore from Apple), 4 PCIe slots, more GPUs to choose from, more RAM, lots of drive bays, and of course TB3 and the rest of the new stuff.

That would make everyone happy I guess.
Would anyone still be left out with these options?
But Apple won't have the effort of designing 2 models of such a low count of units that the Mac Pro market represents.
[doublepost=1513264573][/doublepost]The CTO tool is still not live here.
[doublepost=1513264962][/doublepost]OK, I'm playing on the international site with CTO.

The B version of the 8 core (and others) is quite dialed down:

https://ark.intel.com/products/series/125035/Intel-Xeon-Processor-W-Family

3.2G on the iMac Pro, but funnily enough the 14 and 18 core are not.
 
ManuelGomes said:
it seems no Face ID in the iMac Pro yet. Maybe the new mMP display will have it. And new rMBPs. With all the investments in it they will want to use it everywhere.

I would still like to see two Mac Pro models:

1. nMP 2018
a revised nMP with upgraded internals, W CPUs, dual Vega GPUs, Titan Ridge based TB3, NVMe SSDs (dual), beefier power supply, slightly larger case if needed, space grey accessories and of course the new TB3 display

2. mMP 2018 cheese grater case (re-designed maybe), single or dual SP CPU (although I don't believe we'll have dual CPUs anymore from Apple), 4 PCIe slots, more GPUs to choose from, more RAM, lots of drive bays, and of course TB3 and the rest of the new stuff.

That would make everyone happy I guess.
Would anyone still be left out with these options?
But Apple won't have the effort of designing 2 models of such a low count of units that the Mac Pro market represents.
[doublepost=1513264573][/doublepost]The CTO tool is still not live here.
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I think Face ID will take a year at least to arrive to MBP first, then iMac/ ProDisplay.

Apple could Offer a tcMini Mac Pro with one or Two Ryzen/Vega APUs (AMD has a Dual Socket APU in timeline, maybe its the new APU just leaked).

and a Tower/Cube Mac Pro with Single AMD Epyc CPU and Two GPU Modules (not Slots), you can load it with custom GPUs sold by Apple: from single rx570 to Dual Vega20, maybe even nVidia options.
 
Vega 64 at an additional 600USD is too much. That's the cost of a standard card.
Mem and SSD are also expensive.
But that's Apple as usual.
 
Yes, it's still too early for Face ID on the Mac.

Maybe the Mini will get not so Mini and nMP becomes the nMini.
You're pretty hopeful on the AMD lineup, aren't you? Mini I can see going that route, not so sure about the mMP though, not just yet. But it would be great to see EPYC there.
[doublepost=1513266097][/doublepost]Or the nMP will become just Mac. Then we have Mac Mini, Mac and Mac Pro. Too many tiers I guess.
 
Initial MSRP was 499USD if I recall correctly. Going up to 599USD. but 8GB model I believe.
But that was during launch and there was all that fuss.
[doublepost=1513267311][/doublepost]But I believe it's now a lot more
 
ManuelGomes said:
You're pretty hopeful on the AMD lineup, aren't you?
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Pretty confident about the next Apple Desktops will be based on AMD CPU/APUs. Apple will continue chained to Intel on Macbooks.
ManuelGomes said:
Initial MSRP was 499USD if I recall correctly. Going up to 599USD. but 8GB model I believe.
But that was during launch and there was all that fuss.
[doublepost=1513267311][/doublepost]But I believe it's now a lot more
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Those are for gaming, not PRO GPUs.
 
Mago said:
I dont wanna be a jerk, but ...

Don't hold your breath yet, Upgradeable, doesn't means You Can Put What You Want on it, Apple May Offer A.E. a custom proprietary GPU design, one which you can Install by your self (or at AppleStore) but only available from Apple, from time on time...
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Maybe. This is the first time I’ve seen them use the word upgradable.

I think it’s still too early to say if they’ll use a proprietary GPU design or not. I still think it’s extremely likely there will still be a few PCIe slots, whether or not they are the primary GPU slots.
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ManuelGomes said:
Vega 64 at an additional 600USD is too much. That's the cost of a standard card.
Mem and SSD are also expensive.
But that's Apple as usual.
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iMac Pro has a unique Vega 64 with 16 gigs of VRAM. So the price could be justified.
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Those are for gaming, not PRO GPUs.
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LOL.

Aside from the VRAM in the 64, it’s the exact same hardware.

Except that the iMac Pro ones are actually underclocked, and slower, than the retail Vega Cards.
 
Mago said:
I expected it to be more expensive.
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The standard config is a decent deal, but the BTO options are pricy across the board and other retail workstations are better deals at the higher levels. $750 extra for the 10 core? Dell's price difference between the 8 core and the 10 core is much closer to Intels, at $350. Its about $200/16GB stick of DDR4 these days, $720 going from 32 to 64 is Apple's typical rip off (though dell does this too).
 
goMac said:
LOL.

Aside from the VRAM in the 64, it’s the exact same hardware.

Except that the iMac Pro ones are actually underclocked, and slower, than the retail Vega Cards.
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As usual AMD just puts a Pro Label, lowers the clocks add better QC an Whoalah a 1200$ GPU is born...
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goMac said:
I still think it’s extremely likely there will still be a few PCIe slots
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Maybe one x8 slots, no more, unless Apple opts for STD GPUs... Then it will be an Apple-made hackintosh ... [unlikely to happen IMHO]
 
mikeboss said:
IMHO the most interesting part of today's iMac Pro press release:

"In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest performance, high-throughput system in a modular, upgradeable design, as well as a new high-end pro display."

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/12/imac-pro-the-most-powerful-mac-ever-available-today/
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wallysb01 said:
The standard config is a decent deal, but the BTO options are pricy across the board and other retail workstations are better deals at the higher levels. $750 extra for the 10 core? Dell's price difference between the 8 core and the 10 core is much closer to Intels, at $350. Its about $200/16GB stick of DDR4 these days, $720 going from 32 to 64 is Apple's typical rip off (though dell does this too).
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I can get an 64GB kit for about $800.
 
Mago said:
Maybe one x8 slots, no more, unless Apple opts for STD GPUs... Then it will be an Apple-made hackintosh ... [unlikely to happen IMHO]
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I mean, it looks like Apple is going to be supporting standard GPUs over Thunderbolt. It's not a stretch to say that it's possible that the Mac Pro could support the exact same GPUs internally.

(Could being the word here. Please don't kill me if they don't end up doing this.)
 
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