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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Oh, I am paying attention.
The problem is that the 6,1 sacrificed function for form.
You don't have to sacrifice function for for form. See: Mac Pro 1,1; 2,1; 3,1; 4,1; 5,1.
This. I bought one just because I thought it was cool. While I don't need to upgrade anything, yet, i am disappointed at the few options available.
There would be much less "Apple hate" in the Mac Pro section if there could be posts like this:
"I just finished my latest Mac Pro build and wanted to share it with the forum"
1. I selected the box that has 7 PCIe slots
2. I put in 2 intel Xeon E5's
3. A 1125w PSU
4. DDR4 ECC Memory
5. There are USB 2.0 and 3.0 ports but legacy ports (fw400, fw800) can be used via PCIe cards. The same with TB
6. Like the Window builds it's able to run older OS's. So I have the ability to boot from 10.6.8 to 10.13! Since I would have the ability to disable a video card after boot, I don't have to keep an eye on drivers. I just make sure the correct card is enabled for that OS.
If this forum could be filled with "Mac Pro" builds there would be much less "Apple Hate"
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There would be much less "Apple hate" in the Mac Pro section if there could be posts like this:
"I just finished my latest Mac Pro build and wanted to share it with the forum"
1. I selected the box that has 7 PCIe slots
2. I put in 2 intel Xeon E5's
3. A 1125w PSU
4. DDR4 ECC Memory
5. There are USB 2.0 and 3.0 ports but legacy ports (fw400, fw800) can be used via PCIe cards. The same with TB
6. Like the Window builds it's able to run older OS's. So I have the ability to boot from 10.6.8 to 10.13! Since I would have the ability to disable a video card after boot, I don't have to keep an eye on drivers. I just make sure the correct card is enabled for that OS.
If this forum could be filled with "Mac Pro" builds there would be much lest "Apple Hate"
My issue with that is that you have never ever ever been able to custom build a mac pro, beyond the upgrades available to the classic mac pro and what you can do to the 6,1.
Custom building a mac pro would be awesome I agree, but everyone new what they were buying into when buying their machines.
But you really only know what you are buying into when you compare other companies. How many people that never visit a PC forum or HP's site know 7 PCIe slots are even available? With the 6,1 you have to purchase expensive expansion boxes and then take a speed hit dealing with Apple's TB. Instead of Apple making their 6,1 smaller ("look, it's powerful and portable"
) make their MBP's powerful. It's the portable machine. They are too busy making it thin! if you think there is Apple hate now, let them blow it with the mMP!
You might call it hate, negativity, or pessimism.
I call it some well earned catharsis
Just wait till Jony boy bungles the next one up ...
I call it some well earned catharsis
Just wait till Jony boy bungles the next one up ...
Not exactly, at launch it only compromises where DIY expandability, something that actually cares few users, the real issue was with flexibility, as the GPU increased TDP and the software to properly tandem GPUs never come, it got cornered (and impossible to hide failure in apple R&D oversight which lead to Mac R&D lead going to Tesla).
For the thermal management of any system, there's two basic requirements to consider:
1. Moving the heat (ie., get it out of tiny hot components and into your heat exchanger for #2).
2. Rejecting the heat (ie. hae your heat exchanger get it overboard)
Technologies such as heat pipes and conventional liquid cooling (with & without phase change) in PCs are primarily doing the "Move" job, taking the heat load to someplace where provide larger cooling surfaces can then do the "Reject" part. That's why these are often called 'heat spreaders'. And since heat pipes contain a liquid (which also undergoes phase change), they can leak too.
There is a totally leakproof technology for spreading very small & high thermal sources. It can't leak because it is a solid which never contains any liquid (or gas) and operates purely by having conduction that's ~10x better than copper. It is known as TPG (for 'Thermal Pyrolytic Graphite') and has demonstrated heat dissipation densities of 200W/cm^2.
TPG does have some quirks which can make working with it a bit challenging, but it is IMO quite well suited for high density packages - its what I've used in some power amplifiers and would be my first choice today for CPUs.
I think that would be the hackintosh forum.There would be much less "Apple hate" in the Mac Pro section if there could be posts like this:
"I just finished my latest Mac Pro build and wanted to share it with the forum"
1. I selected the box that has 7 PCIe slots
2. I put in 2 intel Xeon E5's
3. A 1125w PSU
4. DDR4 ECC Memory
5. There are USB 2.0 and 3.0 ports but legacy ports (fw400, fw800) can be used via PCIe cards. The same with TB
6. Like the Window builds it's able to run older OS's. So I have the ability to boot from 10.6.8 to 10.13! Since I would have the ability to disable a video card after boot, I don't have to keep an eye on drivers. I just make sure the correct card is enabled for that OS.
If this forum could be filled with "Mac Pro" builds there would be much less "Apple Hate"
Now don’t get me wrong-I would really like something that I can adapt and expand as my needs grow-and I really like much of what thunderbolt provides. In the past with both G4 and G5 machines, I was able to add memory, more powerful graphics cards, and capture cards, and additional I/O as needed. With the trash can all I can do is add memory and breakout boxes that are limited. Now I wouldn’t mind going the hackintosh route, other than having to test every software update and tinker when things go unexpected. Now even if Apple had a closed box-but updated internals that would be something-to at least stay with modern connections, going on 4 years... damn-if I could at least change out graphics that might be tolerable, but TB3 and USB-C modern drives, arrays, and displays, are limited to TB2 adapter speeds. Some vendors/third party accesory-peripherals have categorized the once cutting edge tech for the 2013 Mac Pro as “legacy” devices at this point. That’s where my “negativity” comes from and has me and others looking at alternative workflows-not that we want to move off the Mac platform, but other companies workstations and work horses run circles atround the 2013 Mac Pro, when you look at cost and performance.
Agreed...and this 'adaptation' factor really applies in two distinct ways. There's the "changes" element as described above, and there is what I'll call the "customization" factor as was alluded to - - this is where the basic configuration of a "buy it today" has a degree of flexibility to accommodate different customers' use cases.
Keeping in mind that it is always about value to the customer, the ability for a product to be tailored (by subsystems) to key parameters will achieve a better overall product value because the customer wasn't forced to 'overbuy' in areas where they do not particularly need. A simple example would be a killer video card ($3K Titan V) is not a "One Size Fits All" type of subsystem.
Agreed, and this is an area where I believe I've previously noted that Apple's track record as an OEM for providing more "lifecycle" hardware support is weak...
...as I experienced this past weekend when I found that one of my cMP's (5,1) has a video card that's starting to fail.
Now I can go find used version of the current card (an ATI Radeon HD 5770 - 1GB) for ~$200, but since the mMP is probably 12.5 months until it finally announces (and longer to ship), that's a long enough period to contemplate buying new.
But where to buy? Nope, not the 5770 or the 5870 are offered anymore, nor any others in the Apple Store.
Overall, for a clearly Mac Pro supported (without any DIY flashing hassles, etc), it looks right now to me that the cheapest game in town is the Radeon Sapphire HD 7950 (3GB) for a mere $450...
And sure, it looks to be a nice step up from the old 5770 (which I don't mind), but having a few more choices in the "Under $500" ballpark would be nice to have ...
I disagree - if only a few users cared, nvidia wouldn't still be making drivers for their cards. There isn't enough of us on this board to justify it.
https://www.t3.com/features/phil-schiller-interview
"One of the things we’ve learned over the last few years is the depth of love and loyalty for macOS by our pro customers. And pro is a very large term. It encompasses many different people with different needs.
“What we find is, across all of our Mac products, we have a lot of pros on MacBook Pro; we have a lot of pros on iMac; and we have pros on Mac Pro. And so, a number of years ago, when we talked about where we need to move all our products forward for pros, we knew we needed to, along with MacBook Pro – and doing a new Mac pro – that there’s an iMac need there.
I guess they hope to get a lot of pros onto Mac Pro this time. Or if the sales are not good on the Mac Pro they are going to axe it...just my two cent.
"One of the things we’ve learned over the last few years is the depth of love and loyalty for macOS by our pro customers. And pro is a very large term. It encompasses many different people with different needs.
“What we find is, across all of our Mac products, we have a lot of pros on MacBook Pro; we have a lot of pros on iMac; and we have pros on Mac Pro. And so, a number of years ago, when we talked about where we need to move all our products forward for pros, we knew we needed to, along with MacBook Pro – and doing a new Mac pro – that there’s an iMac need there.
I guess they hope to get a lot of pros onto Mac Pro this time. Or if the sales are not good on the Mac Pro they are going to axe it...just my two cent.
Just read the front page article about the new iMac Pro and a shiver just ran up and down my back. Not because I want one especially at the price they want.
No, I had a shiver because I think the release portends the end of the Mac Pro. Sad.
No, I had a shiver because I think the release portends the end of the Mac Pro. Sad.
well have no worries. Apple has confirmed a modular mac pro with shipping in 2019
read phil schiller's take on it when asked about the future of the mac pro, almost half way down
https://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives
he makes both mentions of the imac pro, and the future modular system as well
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Good article and thank you. But the shudders/shivers just got stronger and for only one reason, money. We think the iMac Pro is expensive? I shudder to think what a new Mac Pro is going to cost.
Since I am not a pro, I am pretty much out. Now I have to hope the Mac mini will get a decent redesign/update.
The only thing they have said is not this year....so I guess if we are lucky 2018 otherwise 2019 I think
Mi sources, somehow where a bit more accurate than BGR's and most blogs, a week ago I stated the iMac pro will be revealed for pre-order today but not clear when available, ok no pre-order (unless you got an Apple invite) but availabe to order on 12.14 ...
Save this line: Same source stands the Next Apple desktops will be FULL AMD ...
Save this line: Same source stands the Next Apple desktops will be FULL AMD ...
It's actually pretty much impossible to find a dual CPU board that has seven expansion slots. I'm sure there are probably one or two but they are a very rare exception and usually pretty expensive.
A 20 second glance at Supermicro's website shows 5 current x11 series boards with dual xeon sockets and 7 slots. Plenty more on the x10 series. I didn't bother to check other vendors sites. I know Asus has been making a similar board for years though.
Bring back the silver Aluminum Mac Pros - use a plastic case with liquid cooling to lower costs and reduce fan noise. Remember the old VW bugs, they eventually went from air cooled to liquid cooled because it was more efficient at removing heat and meeting smog requirements.
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Without a 5K monitor, one would hope it would be less expensive.
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Without a 5K monitor, one would hope it would be less expensive.