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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

There was nearly not a single point in time where Apple released a desktop display that topped its respective era in terms of specs and performace, when compared to specalized photograhic, film making, scientific displays. They always tried to strike a higher than average point in balance between quality, asthetics, ease of setup, and only satisfactory specs for a professional with average visual requirements.

I don’t see them departing much from that direction this time around.
 
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Mago said:
Just got some new cues on the mMP, new cues points more on AMD cpu and rounded shape (it may look as a trash can after alll, or at least will show trash can roots),
and seems Apple is effectively working on Two different "modular" desktops both with strong internals (note this other could be the mac mini or a mMP variant), specifically one model will include ECC DIMM and the second using ECC-SODIM <at least should exist as protoypes>.
[this is mago's leaks, not DNG or JD).
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FWIW: the SODIMM form-factor would allow for a "short nMP" case. Doesn't imply it; does allow it.

Also FWIW: the nMP thermal core makes for a very good "module" for ~400W. 1 is underkill as a complete workstation; 2-3 has adequate capacity. Consequently one possible mMP is a case built to house 2-3 such modules--one "CPU", others GPU.

Also FWIW: the paired internals are going to be more of thing over time; it comes with the territory. That said, future refinements to the model will streamline the recovery/transfer process--at least for those who some advance planning.
 
Chancha said:
There was nearly not a single point in time where Apple released a desktop display that topped its respective era in terms of specs and performace, when compared to specalized photograhic, film making, scientific displays. They always tried to strike a higher than average point in balance between quality, asthetics, ease of setup, and only satisfactory specs for a professional with average visual requirements.

I don’t see them departing much from that direction this time around.
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Yeah I think this is pretty obvious thinking. The only real knock I've had against Apple's displays is the usual complaint of not updating frequently enough and/or keeping prices the same. The TB Display was a steal for its price and quality at the time... not so much five years later.
 
flat five said:
~54 lbs.

i should of called it a sculpture instead of a table.. i probably could of sold it for a lot more money that way : )
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have you got any pics of the forms you used to cast it? Always wanted to play with cast concrete, just waiting to do a quick TIG welding course in February so I can do some neat stainless armatures to cast around. I think the most concrete I've used in one hit was ~880 lbs / 400kg, into a hole in the ground for a plinth.
 
William Payne said:
If it clogs, don't climb in. A guy did that here in New Zealand he was working in a scrap yard and it jammed and his boss told him to get in and unclog it. He came out of it alive, however without both legs and missing one arm.

Every time I see one of those shredders I can't help but think of that.
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Oh my god, that's just... wow. They way it was shooting off some debris I don't think I'd even want to be with in 10 feet.
 
SeaCaptainBiscuit said:
FWIW: the SODIMM form-factor would allow for a "short nMP" case. Doesn't imply it; does allow it.

Also FWIW: the nMP thermal core makes for a very good "module" for ~400W. 1 is underkill as a complete workstation; 2-3 has adequate capacity. Consequently one possible mMP is a case built to house 2-3 such modules--one "CPU", others GPU.

Also FWIW: the paired internals are going to be more of thing over time; it comes with the territory. That said, future refinements to the model will streamline the recovery/transfer process--at least for those who some advance planning.
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Just to clarify, the information I'm filtering from 'cues' I got from Apple's related activities has nothing to do with my 'dreamed' Modular Mac Pro (the one with cartdrige GPU+psu).

The 'cues' I just processed are sound on AMD cpu with ZEN cores ( no model specific yet, it could be from Ryzen to Epyc, even the just leaked monster APU ).
The cues about the Shape comes from someone working with Apple Store decoration, and seems the mMP to follow the tcMP design language just much Bigger.
the cues about two model of High performance mac are from certain procurement on dimm and so-dimm both with ECC capabilities, which implies either a Full Sized Workstation and a compact one, I doubt Apple will redesign the iMac Pro as soon, and much less to include ecc sodimm in the MBP line, a possibility could be the std iMac 5K, having an zen-vega APU it could be enabled to use ECC ram, but I preffer to believe Apple will offer two sized Mac Pros, one very trash-can like, with an single APU or an Threadrippler/Ryzen CPU plus single vega GPU, and a more powerful righ with multiple GPUs and maybe CPU.

I think the AMD CPU are winnings in performance, latest intel benchmarks where debunked as biased, ZEN architecture sill ahead Intel in Single Thread performance in most benchmarks (except FP64 and 256bit integers)
 
Mago said:
The cues about the Shape comes from someone working with Apple Store decoration
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So it's absolutely useless insider information.

Just to be clear, I don't think anyone on the retail side, and anyone in marketing below the exec level knows what's going on with the Mac Pro.

I know usually even the people on the actual hardware team know little to nothing about the case design. The design team gives them vague hints and dimensions for them to work with, but keeps the case designs to themselves.

I've known Mac teams at Apple that literally did not know what the case of the product they were working on looked like until they saw it on stage with Steve.
 
goMac said:
anyone in marketing below the exec level knows what's going on with the Mac Pro.
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Having ETA Early-Q2 or WWDC I think the mMP should be moving now to initial very low rate manufacture, which implies readying/planning manuals, marketing materials even Store decoration, when I say 'cues' doesnt means somebody saw the mMP, but saw something which seems to introduce the mMP with something somehow related with the tcMP's shape.
 
Mago said:
I think the AMD CPU are winnings in performance, latest intel benchmarks where debunked as biased, ZEN architecture sill ahead Intel in Single Thread performance in most benchmarks (except FP64 and 256bit integers)
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I’ve got Threadrippers, Epyc, i9, a few Xeon SP, and nearly every model of previous Xeon in my possession and no, they not faster.

That doesn’t make them bad, it just makes them not a good choice for a machine that hopefully isn’t going to be about making performance compromises to fit some anti-Intel ideology.
 
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beaker7 said:
I’ve got Threadrippers, Epyc, i9, a few Xeon SP, and nearly every model of previous Xeon in my possession and no, they not faster.

That doesn’t make them bad, it just makes them not a good choice for a machine that hopefully isn’t going to be about making performance compromises to fit some anti-Intel ideology.
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Apparently on the video side Threadripper and Premiere Pro aren't exactly a match made in heaven. Puget systems did tests and found it not the best choice. Puget found the 14 core i9 was king for that particular software. Even faster then the 18 core i9
 
William Payne said:
Apparently on the video side Threadripper and Premiere Pro aren't exactly a match made in heaven. Puget systems did tests and found it not the best choice. Puget found the 14 core i9 was king for that particular software. Even faster then the 18 core i9
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This would be more helpful if you would provide links....
 
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William Payne said:
Very well

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recomm...obe-Premiere-Pro-143/Hardware-Recommendations
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...PU-Comparison-Skylake-X-vs-Threadripper-1012/
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-Performance-Core-i9-7940X-7960X-7980XE-1034/
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Thank you.

Those results show that the AMD processors are more or less in the same ballpark (both performance and price) as the Intel CPUs. Nothing really outstanding for AMD either in performance or price/performance.
 
Guys, I have come to disappoint you all.
[doublepost=1513993890][/doublepost]And iBridge actually has its own entry on the Ethernet section in System Information. The 10Gbit Ethernet card is probably using an apple chipset as well.
 

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Dean Yu said:
Guys, I have come to disappoint you all.
[doublepost=1513993890][/doublepost]And iBridge actually has its own entry on the Ethernet section in System Information. The 10Gbit Ethernet card is probably using an apple chipset as well.

P.S. the speakers are impressive. Like, rock the whole Apple store impressive. At half volume.

P.P.S The base model did Bruce X 5K under 9 seconds.
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Did you mean to post this in one of the Imac threads, rather than the MP7,1 thread?

ps: The second image is very, very blurry for me.
 
AidenShaw said:
Did you mean to post this in one of the Imac threads, rather than the MP7,1 thread?

ps: The second image is very, very blurry for me.
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Fixed.
I am happy to remove the post if posting internal hw features of Apple’s Workstation computer (discussed all over this thread for good) is an act of derailing.
 
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Adobe’s apps are trash when scaling beyond 8 cores. I would rather look at other competing solutions (including FCPx but no AMD in Mac to really test it ) like Davinci Resolve, Hitfilm, Nuke etc.

Or 3D apps.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-14-16-and-18-core-Skylake-X-Processors-1045/
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-14-16-and-18-core-Skylake-X-Processors-1043/

https://www.vfxarabia.co/single-post/2017/09/10/Houdini-Benchmark-Cores-vs-Clockspeed-updated

If AMD can pull a 2S System out of Epyc ( with threadripper speeds ), the price to performance ratio might look even sweeter for AMD.
 
singhs.apps said:
Adobe’s apps are trash when scaling beyond 8 cores. I would rather look at other competing solutions (including FCPx but no AMD in Mac to really test it ) like Davinci Resolve, Hitfilm, Nuke etc.

Or 3D apps.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-14-16-and-18-core-Skylake-X-Processors-1045/
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-14-16-and-18-core-Skylake-X-Processors-1043/

https://www.vfxarabia.co/single-post/2017/09/10/Houdini-Benchmark-Cores-vs-Clockspeed-updated

If AMD can pull a 2S System out of Epyc ( with threadripper speeds ), the price to performance ratio might look even sweeter for AMD.
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That’s similar to what I’m seeing. The 1950x with 16 cores performs similar to the 12 core i9 in most rendering applications.
 
singhs.apps said:
Adobe’s apps are trash when scaling beyond 8 cores. I would rather look at other competing solutions (including FCPx but no AMD in Mac to really test it ) like Davinci Resolve, Hitfilm, Nuke etc.

Or 3D apps.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-14-16-and-18-core-Skylake-X-Processors-1045/
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-14-16-and-18-core-Skylake-X-Processors-1043/

https://www.vfxarabia.co/single-post/2017/09/10/Houdini-Benchmark-Cores-vs-Clockspeed-updated

If AMD can pull a 2S System out of Epyc ( with threadripper speeds ), the price to performance ratio might look even sweeter for AMD.
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They have tested Davinci Resolve.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...U-Performance-Skylake-X-vs-Threadripper-1063/
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...e-14-GPU-Scaling-Analysis-1-4x-Titan-Xp-1060/
[doublepost=1513999719][/doublepost]Does anyone else notice that when people are trying to push a product they will lean towards showing things that give that product the best results.

I mean if you use Adobe apps as your main workflow then how it performs in other apps does not matter.
 
William Payne said:
They have tested Davinci Resolve.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...U-Performance-Skylake-X-vs-Threadripper-1063/
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...e-14-GPU-Scaling-Analysis-1-4x-Titan-Xp-1060/
[doublepost=1513999719][/doublepost]Does anyone else notice that when people are trying to push a product they will lean towards showing things that give that product the best results.

I mean if you use Adobe apps as your main workflow then how it performs in other apps does not matter.
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Or people also use systems across sub disciplines. So you are looking at the broadest category. Or competing platform performance
 
singhs.apps said:
Or people also use systems across sub disciplines. So you are looking at the broadest category. Or competing platform performance
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Yip, that becomes the know what you need for your use case scenario. I just see this a lot where people sort of buy based on how good something looks on the spec sheet or some kind of coolness factor rather then asking "Hey what is the most optimum choice for the software I use everyday?"
 
William Payne said:
Yip, that becomes the know what you need for your use case scenario. I just see this a lot where people sort of buy based on how good something looks on the spec sheet or some kind of coolness factor rather then asking "Hey what is the most optimum choice for the software I use everyday?"
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To be fair, when all things are equal, or within 5%, or whatever criteria one decides for oneself; it is not wrong to consider political factors when purchasing. After all we are all force fed the 'free markets let the consumer vote with their wallet' truism. If I'm not a fan of what Intel is doing currently with it's lineup, or as a company, or with the industry, I will go throw my canadian copper at AMD 'for a cycle'.
 
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