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So 2026 according to Gurman and potentially WWDC?

meh, a mac studio with slots is a mac studio with slots.

The 7,1 remains the final Mac Pro to date.
 
this is like the arguments about how folks are not real professional photographers unless they has a Hasselblad Medium format or a Canon EOS R3 or Nikon D6 camera(s). The 'tool' defins the 'real work' as opposed to the skill brought to the tool.
Dude, I'm not going to read your whole run-on-sentence of a post, but I will reply to this one.
I'm probably one of the handful of people on this forum that's an actual professional (ie my stuff's been seen by billions of people). There are a few other folks here that are composers for movies and tv and actual producers. People like us generally don't care what the tool is or what the spec is, as long as it gets the job done, so you got the wrong guy if you think I care about "specs".

My overall point was about the 3d artists, who I do work closely with sometimes. I don't do 3d work anymore, but I am telling you from a professional POV, the 3d artists/vfx folks (unless you count compositors) have left Macs once Apple abandoned them many moons ago.

No one is saying M5 isn't incredible. Getting 15% increase every year is an amazing feat that no other manufacturer is doing, but take the fanboy hat off for a second and read what I said above.

Simply put, Apple cannot and does not compete directly with 5090 style performance. Nor easily even with the mediocre top end AMD GPUs. Simply put, the SoCs are geared for performance per watt, not raw power. You cannot argue against this at all, so don't bring up Blender benchmarks. In the pro field, no one cares about benchmarks, we just do our job and move on.

Also it's pretty odd you're comparing a medium format camera to a full frame sensor. They are completely different beasts and the old adage of "the right tool in the wrong artists hands" may be true to a certain extent, but you cannot compare a full frame camera to a full sensor camera. That's like comparing 35mm 3 perf film with IMAX 70mm 15 perf film, both are completely in different leagues for dynamic range and resolution. So you are wrong again here. You are comparing technical specs vs artistic execution. Both can shoot pretty images in the right hands (and it all depends on lighting, production, subject matter, and the photographer and the right tool chosen by whoever is doing the shooting). You're telling me that Ansel Adams could've shot his landscapes on 35mm and not medium format?

Just stop arguing with me, I am 100% correct here. You're just punching air at this point.
 
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That's why I'm so elated, even past a 6 year old computer.

A decade old computer, OH YEAH!

5,1 decked out of course.
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This right here.
The 2018-2020 era Macs 'bought' the 5,1 a possible option for a AMD 6000 series card. It didn't earn it on its own. No new cards means the modularity doesn't buy much on macOS.

The Metal score measures really nothing of the 5,1's actual core hardware. It is a bit of a misdirection to label what is scoring the points there as a '5,1'. What you have there is a microbenchmark which is offloaded to another piece of hardware to actually run. The 5,1 is just used to report the results.
Doesn't diminish the fact old workstations can still excel. If these things had souls, I think they would want to be maxed out before being finally melted down. Of course, this may be the problem.
 
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but is there any Apple Silicon machine that can drive more than 6 displays? Like can the Ultra chips drive 12 4K displays, as an alternative to 6 6k displays, or is 6 a hard limit?
 
So again Gurman is at it. How much credence do we apply here?
 
So again Gurman is at it. How much credence do we apply here?
I wouldn't be surprised at all. With the Mac Studio M Ultra machines covering basically the same spot as the Mac Pro 6,1 did.

What is surprising to me is how many bother to chime in on the macrumors report on it 😂
Do (did) even 5% of the respondents have (had) a Mac Pro of the last two generations?
If 90%+ of them did, it would have been amazing.

Apple might as well write off the present Mac Pro line. They can always drop a newly designed Mac Pro sometime in the next 10 years. As that would fit their pattern just perfect ;)
 
Apple might as well write off the present Mac Pro line. They can always drop a newly designed Mac Pro sometime in the next 10 years. As that would fit their pattern just perfect ;)

This makes some sense. It doesn't really fit into their current sealed-box product line, unfortunately. People who want an upgradable, repairable machine with PCIe slots have mostly gone elsewhere by now, even if they can afford Apple's version of it.
 
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That's an insane price for an old computer. You can get a specced out Mac Studio Ultra for less! (M5 will be killer)
I agree. But a previous poster was talking about GPU power. Those Radeon 2 Duos have (IIRC) over twice the memory bandwidth of M3U. So if you have it running 24/7 doing your AI workflows, that would be a case where it would matter. I'm not buying it, just looking at one spec which illustrates what the previous poster was looking at.
 
And modular GPU power.
I looked at a max'd 2019 with 2x Radeon Vega II Duos, thought it was neat that the older computer could still hang and even outperform the current SOTA from AS. Of course, memory bandwidth is useful in AI and LLMs but may not be a useful spec elsewhere. Max RAM is another point of difference.

Graphics cardApple M3 Ultra GPU 60-CoreAMD Radeon PRO Vega II Duo

Memory bandwidth819.2 GB/s2,048.0 GB/s
 
I agree. But a previous poster was talking about GPU power. Those Radeon 2 Duos have (IIRC) over twice the memory bandwidth of M3U. So if you have it running 24/7 doing your AI workflows, that would be a case where it would matter. I'm not buying it, just looking at one spec which illustrates what the previous poster was looking at.

Good point, however Radeon 2's are so old it's not even funny. They run crazy hot. And the DUO's need to be taken advantage of by apps the user is using. And Apple is killing off macOS for Intel after this year's Tahoe release so if you have no tools that take advantage of it, what's the point?

I wouldn't be surprised if maxed out M5 Ultra's GPU starts touching NVIDIA 5080 (at least) performance. There's a 30-40% bump in GPU perf on M5 vs M4, from latest reviews on the base M5 MBP. M3 Ultra is the only max spec current Mac Studio is on, so it will be a huge jump in a few months.

If you are going to run Windows on this thing, you're better off getting a lower spec one, swapping the CPU to your liking, doing some upgrades, and popping in a RTX5080/RTX5090 and you'll live a better life imo. Now those things are great for LLMs and AI related apps if that's your thing.
 
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Good point, however Radeon 2's are so old it's not even funny. They run crazy hot.
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If you are going to run Windows on this thing...
Yeah the power consumption is so much more with those cards, that is an area that AS is really winning prizes! However I am sure there are those out there that can use that setup.

Also, I stopped dual-booting into Windows since 2022, I just keep a separate box besides my Mac. It is easy to maintain and KVM gives a seamless transition.
 
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Also, I stopped dual-booting into Windows since 2022, I just keep a separate box besides my Mac. It is easy to maintain and KVM gives a seamless transition.

I used to do that, and also did the Hackintosh thing for a few years in the 2010s because Apple had no good towers back then. I'm a 100% macOS guy, Windows is just for gaming for me and nothing more. Majority of the time I use computers for productivity and personally can live without Windows.

However, like you, I'm probably going to maybe build an SFFPC and get a Mac Studio and get rid of the 2019 MP. Even last year I was like the 2019 Intel will last me a while, but this year I'm starting to feel the single core perf of Intel vs the M class devices I use for work. Even the 5 year old M1 Max single core perf is better.

Curious, what kind of KVM do you use? I have 2x Studio Displays connected via DisplayPort > USBC adapters (The Belkin VR cables) to the 6900XT on the Intel MP. Once I go with an SFFPC/5090 I will replace the MacPro with a Mac Studio, which I guess I can connect via Thunderbolt. However, I don't see KVM switches for what I need it for. I also use the Magic Keyboard and hate using other keyboards. I guess I will do some digging and see.

I may just put in a 5090 into the Intel Mac Pro since I'm lazy and just run it as a Windows machine and get the Mac Studio. I wonder how much perf I will lose with PCIe 3.0....
 
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However, like you, I'm probably going to maybe build an SFFPC and get a Mac Studio and get rid of the 2019 MP. Even last year I was like the 2019 Intel will last me a while, but this year I'm starting to feel the single core perf of Intel vs the M class devices I use for work. Even the 5 year old M1 Max single core perf is better.
Single core performance is actually why I had the win/lin box made a few years ago, once the M2 dropped and I saw it was not groundbreaking, I went with the faster system. Either is faster than the 2019 MP which is why I did not consider that at the time (2022).
 
Curious, what kind of KVM do you use? I have 2x Studio Displays connected via DisplayPort > USBC adapters (The Belkin VR cables) to the 6900XT on the Intel MP. Once I go with an SFFPC/5090 I will replace the MacPro with a Mac Studio, which I guess I can connect via Thunderbolt. However, I don't see KVM switches for what I need it for. I also use the Magic Keyboard and hate using other keyboards. I guess I will do some digging and see.
The KVM switch is integral to the BenQ PD3200U monitor.

Unlike many standalone KVMs, which only need 1 button press, the BenQ takes two: one for the display input, then a second for the USB input. I have programmed the touch buttons on the BenQ to make it as fluid as possible. There may be a way to make this 1 press, but I have not found it yet.

Side benefit: if you need Picture-In-Picture, the monitor allows that, so I can have my simulation cranking on my win/lin box and see the results in the corner. I rarely do that nowadays, I just hit run before I go to bed and when I wake up the results are in...
 
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The KVM switch is integral to the BenQ PD3200U monitor.

Unlike many standalone KVMs, which only need 1 button press, the BenQ takes two: one for the display input, then a second for the USB input. I have programmed the touch buttons on the BenQ to make it as fluid as possible. There may be a way to make this 1 press, but I have not found it yet.

Side benefit: if you need Picture-In-Picture, the monitor allows that, so I can have my simulation cranking on my win/lin box and see the results in the corner. I rarely do that nowadays, I just hit run before I go to bed and when I wake up the results are in...
Some are born to move the world, to live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about the things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die than never to have known it

For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee

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