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Waiting for Scott Forstall to come back

afsnyder said:
Not necessarily true. iOS 6 was riddled with bugs. iOS 5 actually had so many bugs they released an update specifically to address battery life, which they haven't done in a while. I can't say anything about below that but I do remember iOS missing a lot of core functionality for quite some time.
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Battery life issues in iOS 5 I would've been unlikely to notice because I only had an iPad at the time and they last forever anyway.

The thing about buggy software, is that even if one version statistically has more bugs than another version, if the version with less overall bugs has more bugs that affect the user personally then it will appear more buggy to that user. I hope that makes sense.

iOS 8 has a lot of bugs that affect me; far more than any other version I've ever used. Hence my dissatisfaction with it.
 
cause its true? over half the planet isnt going to support it when it comes out, hype hype, launches, then a bunch are looking for places to even try it out at...
 
I loved iOS6 colors were beautiful and everything just worked all the time, it always syched to iTunes and the Music app was the best ever made.

Scott = Obi Won

Oh, Scotty your our only hope!!!
We must seek Yoda...a help he will to find him
 
Imagine if the board kicked out TC and replaced with Forstall. Just think about it for a minute.
 
Forget iOS 5. Does anyone remember how buggy iOS 2 was?

My iPhone 3g was practically unusable for around the first 3 months I had it. The keyboards were slow and laggy (particularly non-English ones), Safari would crash constantly, iTunes would skip and crash when playing songs in the background, it was awful. Not to mention the battery life.

By comparison my 6 Plus on iOS 8 has been fine. I've had a few minor app crashes, and initial issues with Wifi that were sorted out by resetting network settings, but besides that, nothing.
 
betabeta said:
I liked him but that ship has sailed, they just need someone to say no, Jobs use to say saying no is more important than saying yes. And as far as bugs in ios past, yeah sure, but now it's not just bugs, it's disjointed, it's actually not as simple and straight forward and had way more issues.



How about 3 sizes of phones? No

How about we dump iPhoto before photos app is ready? And make iPhoto not work at all on ios. No

How about we do handoff, airdrop, SMS and calling on macs and iPads all in the next version, do they work? They still need work, SMS we can release later...and airdrop buggy. Then No

How about we dump icloud for icloud drive? Is better? Yes, does work...we'll not always, depends, oh and sometimes certain people might lose files.. People will have no idea what they are doing either lol. Ok then No!



I'm not saying all these features are bad, or even 3 size phones but they need to slooooowwww down, they seem like they are going every which way and nothing is fully baked.



Will someone at Apple stand up and say NO sometimes, keep it simple and make it work, I would rather wait for features to mature then be a beta tester, this isn't Google.
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Everything this guy has said...
 
betabeta said:
I liked him but that ship has sailed, they just need someone to say no, Jobs use to say saying no is more important than saying yes. And as far as bugs in ios past, yeah sure, but now it's not just bugs, it's disjointed, it's actually not as simple and straight forward and had way more issues.

How about 3 sizes of phones? No
How about we dump iPhoto before photos app is ready? And make iPhoto not work at all on ios. No
How about we do handoff, airdrop, SMS and calling on macs and iPads all in the next version, do they work? They still need work, SMS we can release later...and airdrop buggy. Then No
How about we dump icloud for icloud drive? Is better? Yes, does work...we'll not always, depends, oh and sometimes certain people might lose files.. People will have no idea what they are doing either lol. Ok then No!

I'm not saying all these features are bad, or even 3 size phones but they need to slooooowwww down, they seem like they are going every which way and nothing is fully baked.

Will someone at Apple stand up and say NO sometimes, keep it simple and make it work, I would rather wait for features to mature then be a beta tester, this isn't Google.
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Nailed it.
 
matttye said:
Despite it looking rather archaic, iOS 6 and below did 'just work' a hell of a lot better than 7 and 8.

If Apple doesn't buck its ideas up my next devices will be of the Windows variety..
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It worked on 6.1.3 - it did not just work on 6.0.0. That is a simple fact you forget.


I do agree, however, that Forstall's UX design choices were more user-friendly.
 
aristobrat said:
Funny, iOS 7 and 8 add a bunch of "features Androids have had for years", and things go to crap.

iOS 6 seems so "Windows XP" nowadays. Seriously, have you played on a device with it recently? It's fairly horrible, IMO.
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I had to use my iPod Touch on iOS 6 because Airplay is broken in iOS 8 on my iPad Air, and i forgot how crisp, clean, and good looking iOS 6 is. I WANT IT BACK. That does not mean i look at iOS 7/8 and go yacky, just i think the look is much better on iOS 6.
 
quackers82 said:
I had to use my iPod Touch on iOS 6 because Airplay is broken in iOS 8 on my iPad Air, and i forgot how crisp, clean, and good looking iOS 6 is. I WANT IT BACK. That does not mean i look at iOS 7/8 and go yacky, just i think the look is much better on iOS 6.
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The overwhelming majority of posters here were dying for a change after iOS 6. The look was stale and the skeuomorphism was no longer useful.
 
phillytim said:
Ain't happenin' - no how, no way.
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What makes you say that?

It wouldn't be the first time a polarizing figure departed Apple under a cloud, only to return and - quite literally - save the company.

It took 12 dispiriting years, much bruising, and perspective gained from exile. If he [Jobs] had instead stayed at Apple, the transformation of Apple Computer into today’s far larger Apple Inc. might never have happened.
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Full article at the NY Times website: What Steve Jobs Learned in the Wilderness
 
Arran said:
What makes you say that?

It wouldn't be the first time a polarizing figure departed Apple under a cloud, only to return and - quite literally - save the company.



Full article at the NY Times website: What Steve Jobs Learned in the Wilderness
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Do you see an Apple that needs saving? Apple has smart people in charge, and a couple of rough software weeks aren't going to cause Forstall to burst through the door and "save Apple".
 
He left under less then positive circumstances, he'll not be returning. Plus I don't want him back, we'll see the resurrection of skeuomorphism, I hated that in iOS and was glad to see it stripped out.
 
maflynn said:
He left under less then positive circumstances, he'll not be returning. Plus I don't want him back, we'll see the resurrection of skeuomorphism, I hated that in iOS and was glad to see it stripped out.
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Skeuomorphism was necessary in iPhone OS 1 to give the end user an understanding of how the phone worked. That is to say, when no one had seen an iPhone before, the slider helped us know how to unlock the thing because it looked like something we could touch. By the time iOS 6 came out, however, everyone knew how to use an iPhone and skeuomorphism had mostly overrun even non usability related things.

iOS 7 was necessary and SF had to go.
 
maflynn said:
He left under less then positive circumstances...
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As did Jobs.

Forstall was a polarizing figure, for sure. But I think what I liked most about him was his obvious passion for what he believed in (right or wrong).

In contrast, Tim's a hugely competent numbers guy. Every company absolutely needs one of those in the executive team - but he doesn't exude much enthusiasm for either technology or the arts. Neither seem to be in his blood the way both were in Steve's and (to a less mature degree) Forstall's.
 
betabeta said:
I liked him but that ship has sailed, they just need someone to say no, Jobs use to say saying no is more important than saying yes. And as far as bugs in ios past, yeah sure, but now it's not just bugs, it's disjointed, it's actually not as simple and straight forward and had way more issues.

How about 3 sizes of phones? No
How about we dump iPhoto before photos app is ready? And make iPhoto not work at all on ios. No
How about we do handoff, airdrop, SMS and calling on macs and iPads all in the next version, do they work? They still need work, SMS we can release later...and airdrop buggy. Then No
How about we dump icloud for icloud drive? Is better? Yes, does work...we'll not always, depends, oh and sometimes certain people might lose files.. People will have no idea what they are doing either lol. Ok then No!

I'm not saying all these features are bad, or even 3 size phones but they need to slooooowwww down, they seem like they are going every which way and nothing is fully baked.

Will someone at Apple stand up and say NO sometimes, keep it simple and make it work, I would rather wait for features to mature then be a beta tester, this isn't Google.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly. And now that we have all these features I would prefer to not get any new features for iOS 9 but rather that Apple work on stability and refining what's there.

Once it's rock solid then introduce new features in point releases.

I for one am getting fed up with finally getting a stable iOS 6 months after release to only get a fresh new buggy release and start the process all over. It is really getting tiring.:mad:
 
AustinIllini said:
Do you see an Apple that needs saving
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Not yet. But people said that of IBM in the early/mid 80's. It was a colossus. And then - in very short order - it was a colossus at death's door.

Once things start to slip, the downhill momentum can be devastating.
 
Arran said:
Not yet. But people said that of IBM in the early/mid 80's. It was a colossus. And then - in very short order - it was a colossus at death's door.

Once things start to slip, the downhill momentum can be devastating.
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Yes, because Scott Forstall has shown he is more than capable of saving a company by himself, with all that great cloth looking software.

Give me a break. iOS 6 was garbage and its creator will not be saving Apple.
 
Arran said:
As did Jobs.

Forstall was a polarizing figure, for sure. But I think what I liked most about him was his obvious passion for what he believed in (right or wrong).

In contrast, Tim's a hugely competent numbers guy. Every company absolutely needs one of those in the executive team - but he doesn't exude much enthusiasm for either technology or the arts. Neither seem to be in his blood the way both were in Steve's and (to a less mature degree) Forstall's.
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And the problem was, what Scott believed in was by and large wrong. I still blame him for what I believe to be Apple's lost year (ios6, which I come to view as bringing absolutely nothing useful to the party). Apple should have kicked him out the year Steve died, iOS6 should have been the visual overhaul ios7 was, and we could have been on the equivalent of ios9 by now.
 
While I miss Scott for his enthusiasm on stage and the somewhat "classier" pre-iOS 7 look, I cannot say that things were always smooth. iOS 5 was an abomination of bugs, and they weren't fixed till 5.1.1, and even back then, iOS 5 killed any kind of speed the iPad 1 had, and got to the degree that Safari was literally unusable. iOS 8 on the other hand is actually faster than iOS 7 on the A5-powered iPad Mini from my usage. iOS 6 almost brought nothing to the table, other than the unfinished Apple maps, Facebook integration, and Shared Photo Stream.

Scott had to go because he was still living under the shadow of Steve Jobs, and the only way for Apple to move forward was to get rid of that mentality. Apple under Tim Cook feels different from Steve's-era, and I'm not sure it's even better, but at least the company feels fresh and they're willing to work out new ideas and brings new things to the table.

iOS 8 is buggy indeed, but like most iOS upgrades, almost all will be fixed with 8.1
 
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