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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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Yes ... 2 years that i'm waiting for a major update of the 15" retina to buy it. But Apple won't skip skylake they just wait for GT4e HQ processors . Hope it will come between January and April
My bad, I was trying to say the U series processors are for rMBP13, which it will be first released in June and the Quad-Core will not. Not really the rMBP13 will gets an upgrade in June 2016.
I mistyped, sorry.
About Kaby Lake, yes it will be out summer of 2016. However, Broadwell and Skylake release paths show that the Macbook Pro related chips are not out for several months afterwards. The 15" always gets the highest end HQ chip with the Iris Pro graphics, while the 13" has for the last 2 generations gotten the highest end U chip with the highest Iris graphics tier.
The MBA and rMB may get lower end chips, but they are off topic here. The trends clearly show that the Kaby Lake release date says nothing about the availability of Kaby Lake chips for rMBPs - either 13" or 15" . So I would not hold my breath for them.
Further, Kaby Lake is also 14nm, and is not a die shrink (tick), so it will not have additional chip real estate for greater graphics capability over Skylake unless they compromise elsewhere for additional die real estate. Kaby Lake is a break from Intel's tick-tock cycle, and constitutes a second tock after Skylake. Cannonlake is the die shrink tick to 10nm, and is not until until 2017 (probably 2018 for MBP specific parts).
AirdanMR posted a graphic about Skylake production schedule suggesting that Skylake-U 28W parts with Iris 540 are due for manufacture in December. That would be the earliest Intel can make available parts for the 13" MBP. There's still no information on Skylake-H 45W parts with Iris Pro 580. Those are the ones that will go into 15" .
The MBA and rMB may get lower end chips, but they are off topic here. The trends clearly show that the Kaby Lake release date says nothing about the availability of Kaby Lake chips for rMBPs - either 13" or 15" . So I would not hold my breath for them.
Further, Kaby Lake is also 14nm, and is not a die shrink (tick), so it will not have additional chip real estate for greater graphics capability over Skylake unless they compromise elsewhere for additional die real estate. Kaby Lake is a break from Intel's tick-tock cycle, and constitutes a second tock after Skylake. Cannonlake is the die shrink tick to 10nm, and is not until until 2017 (probably 2018 for MBP specific parts).
AirdanMR posted a graphic about Skylake production schedule suggesting that Skylake-U 28W parts with Iris 540 are due for manufacture in December. That would be the earliest Intel can make available parts for the 13" MBP. There's still no information on Skylake-H 45W parts with Iris Pro 580. Those are the ones that will go into 15" .
Can we dream and think Apple don't care about the Iris pro 580 and will put in the cheaper 15" retina a quad i7 without an iGPU and a low end dGPU like a gt950 ?
Current Skylake iGPU figures are:
HD530 442GFLOPS at 1.15Ghz
Iris 550 upto 845GFLOPS at 1.1Ghz
Iris Pro 580 1152GFLOPS at 1Ghz
Iris 540 (comparable to 550) lists at 1483 here:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
The current Broadwell Iris Pro 6200 rates at 1574. Therefore, Iris Pro 580 should yield a performance figure of around 2020 proportionately, on that list. However it is not out, and has not been formally benchmarked yet. But that list gives you a ballpark of how it compares to some dGPUs.
The next rMBP will continue to be constrained by the power envelope Apple has to work with.
HD530 442GFLOPS at 1.15Ghz
Iris 550 upto 845GFLOPS at 1.1Ghz
Iris Pro 580 1152GFLOPS at 1Ghz
Iris 540 (comparable to 550) lists at 1483 here:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
The current Broadwell Iris Pro 6200 rates at 1574. Therefore, Iris Pro 580 should yield a performance figure of around 2020 proportionately, on that list. However it is not out, and has not been formally benchmarked yet. But that list gives you a ballpark of how it compares to some dGPUs.
The next rMBP will continue to be constrained by the power envelope Apple has to work with.
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If as powerfull , Intel Iris Pro 580 is way better . The power consumption of the 580 is less than half of a dedicated GPU
Between 2010 and 2015, Apple has not used anything but the highest end chip in the 15" MBP. They've never gone down to cheaper tiers.
definitely smaller bezels like Dell xps 13/15 and some good gpu graphics gtx 900m (highest class right now).
My point wasn't so much IF Apple will use the new Skylake processors, but WHEN. There is an underlying assumption that if the new processors are available in December 2015 that Apple will put them in the new MBP in January 2016. That is what I was challenging. Apple may have different timing in mind...
All I said was that Apple might move towards A-based chips in the future but now, in 2015, no way. 2020 maybe.
They will certainly try it at some point, maybe even quite soon. But certainly not in the MBP. Other than the switch to Intel, this is more about power savings than gains in performance. So the MB is the obvious candidate for an ARM based chip. At least thats the way I see it.
Do all of you remember how before the rMB introduction there was a rumour of a 12" Macbook Air being introduced at the Spring Forward event but it actually turned out to be a new line (rMP).
http://appleinsider.com/articles/15...th-retina-display-to-launch-in-q2-report-says
Interestingly there is going to be a "15 inch Macbook Air" according to this rumor:
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/11/30/thinner-macbook-air-13-15-wwdc-2016/
Could it be that once again this new super thin "Air" is being confused (like it happened with the rMP) and it's actually the new rMBP. I can already see the tear fest and "apple is doomed" comments pouring in about how Apple is sacrificing everything that makes a "PRO Laptop" (highly subjective term) for the sake of making everything thin. Hope this rumor is fake though. I'm not really a fan of tapered designs, not a deal breaker but not my preferred style.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/15...th-retina-display-to-launch-in-q2-report-says
Interestingly there is going to be a "15 inch Macbook Air" according to this rumor:
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/11/30/thinner-macbook-air-13-15-wwdc-2016/
Could it be that once again this new super thin "Air" is being confused (like it happened with the rMP) and it's actually the new rMBP. I can already see the tear fest and "apple is doomed" comments pouring in about how Apple is sacrificing everything that makes a "PRO Laptop" (highly subjective term) for the sake of making everything thin. Hope this rumor is fake though. I'm not really a fan of tapered designs, not a deal breaker but not my preferred style.
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As you I think this new chasis isn't going to have the "Air" brand. It had sense years ago but not today.
They will be just "Macbook" same as the 12 inch and with same design and options but bigger and different CPU performance.
12-inch Core M
13-inch Skylake-U
15-inch Skylake-H
Just the same options Dell offers with their XPS family.
Does it means the end of PRO family? I don't know but I liked the idea of 14-inch and 16-inch rMBP =(
I don't expect the Pro name to be dropped but I wouldn't have a problem with it if the 13" and 15" retained the high performance parts that Apple currently uses. Pro, just like Air moniker, is just marketing, the name doesn't mean anything really. rMB is thinner than the Air yet it isn't called rMB Air. Would be weird, but simplistic though, having the entire lineup just called "Macbook". Personally, I couldn't care less.
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Maybe we can save the air, but merge air and pro together. Like 12in MacBook 14in Air and 16in Pro
Like what the iPads right now.
That's a good idea! 3 brands one product each. But what about this rumor of 13-15? ... I don't now I doubt we see the 14-16 happening next year.
I am looking at the specs of the xps 15 infinity right now and what I see really impresses me.
skylake i7, 960m with 2gb data, 4k screen, and the dimensions are almost similar to the mbp.
The price is also comparable to the mbp retina. But when I see such monsterstats in a laptop I always get curious about the heat-handling.
I've bought an old MBP back in 2007, the one with the 8600m.
Gaming on Bootcamp killed it. The Chip descended from the motherboard.
I hope apple has learned since that.
skylake i7, 960m with 2gb data, 4k screen, and the dimensions are almost similar to the mbp.
The price is also comparable to the mbp retina. But when I see such monsterstats in a laptop I always get curious about the heat-handling.
I've bought an old MBP back in 2007, the one with the 8600m.
Gaming on Bootcamp killed it. The Chip descended from the motherboard.
I hope apple has learned since that.
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