Everything you said comes with Ice Lake so you can get. definitely expect that... We still haven't see Iris Plus dedicated Mac hardware so let's wait and see.
I did always dreamt of the 13" carrying something like Kaby Lake-G thou
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Everything you said comes with Ice Lake so you can get. definitely expect that... We still haven't see Iris Plus dedicated Mac hardware so let's wait and see.
I did always dreamt of the 13" carrying something like Kaby Lake-G thou
You are going to be waiting for a while....AMD only announced the Radeon RX 5700 desktop GPU and gave no further specifics then that regarding the rest of the lineup. More information is supposed to be revealed at E3 on June 10th.
At this point, it is most likely going to be Q2 of 202 before mobile Navi GPUs are announced, much less shipping in an actual MacBook pro.
Source: https://www.amd.com/en/press-releas...ion-leadership-products-computex-2019-keynote
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Not in the current 13" MacBook Pro chassis, given that Kaby Lake-G has a 65w TDP versus the Coffee Lake-U Series and its 28w TDP. Apple would most likely need something as thick as the old non-Retina 13" MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2012) to dissipate the heat that thing generates.
I can wait.. I own a 2017 13 TB”... I’m up to wait until the new redesign no worries
While I would love this laptop I may try and wait for the redesign as I know I would kick myself if it turns out to be something spectacular. I do lots of VM microservices, docker programming so would love the 32GB and additional cores however.
1. It's not even June yet
2. Ming didn't say - they will do a new 16-16.5 inch model and nothing else.
Just a thought, would buying a 6-core mac mini be a good interim addition in the meantime, while you wait? Or is that not an option due to work, money, need to be mobile, boss owns the laptop, etc?
1. I'm not sure what part of my comment your first point refers to, as I didn't say anything about whether it's already June or not.
2. I don't know I understand you correctly here, what in particular do you mean that he didn't say? That the 16-16.5 model would be coming in 2019, only that there will be such a model, and nothing else about it? Because he very clearly said that unless MacRumors (and many other sites) reported it wrong: "Apple will release a new MacBook Pro with a 16-inch to 16.5-inch display and an all-new design in 2019, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo." (source)
What you are writing has nothing to do with what he said they'd release in 2019. If November comes and no 16+ incher- then you can bemoan Ming's error.
Uh... yes, it does? A lot of people here think that Apple won’t releasable redesign this year after they just released a spec bump, there are many comments here and on the waiting for the 2020 thread that express that way more strongly than I did in my comment, so I find it a bit strange that you pick my fairly neutral comment of all of them to counter-argue that point. I’m not even one of those that think a 2019 redesign is impossible because of this (which many think), I think there’s still a chance of it to happen, but even then you and me can’t deny that it’s a lot less likely now than if we have seen a refresh just yet.
It didn’t help that we got some hints recently about a MBP update being imminent such as the 9to5mac writer with insider knowledge hinting at it. When he said that, a lot of people took it as a 16“ model being imminent, since that’s the model Ming-Chi Kuo predicted, hence me saying expectations based on rumours are dangerous. Also, his prediction about a 32GBRAM configuration in the13“ model didn’t come true either so far, which you would think Apple would do in a spec bump refresh if they’d do it at all this year, since that’s what it is.
I’ll gladly be proven wrong though, as I’d love to see one this year already. If we do see that 16“ this year after all, then you can gladly „bemoan“ my (and 90% of people‘s in this forum) error
I'm not the initial fellow you were conversing with, but I just want to weigh in on this point:
I actually personally believe that this minor spec bump has absolutely zero impact on the odds of Apple introducing a redesign later this year.
After all, that's exactly what they did in 2012 when the retina MacBook pros were introduced. First a spec bump, then introduced the brand new retina 15-in as a brand new high-end device.
The difference is that when Apple introduced both the Retina MacBook Pro and the non-Retina MacBook Pro in June of 2012x they both had the exact same hardware specs (CPU, GPU, max RAM) providing users with a bridge device that had some of the old stuff (FW800, GbE, DVD-ROM, HDD, BTO SSD and matte display options). At that point, the only substantive difference between them was the slimmer chassis. I believe the keyboard mechanism may have been slightly different.
My point is that if Apple is moving away from the ID of the current MacBook Pro to not admit the issues with the current model, they will use the larger 16” screen to justify a thicker, “more robust” chassis with better cooling and revised scissors mechanism to help save face. I expect they will want to have 10nm 45w TDP CPUs, LPDDR4, in there to go to 64GB max, Navi 7nm GPUs to 8GB GDDR6 and a larger battery. Doing this sort of radical change will allow them to jettison the 15” model immediately and distance themselves. They want to do that after they have gotten all the mileage out of the 15” that they can, warts and all. As soon as the 16” chips, the 15” sales will drop off a cliff.
Ice Lake H-series won’t be out this year and unless Comet Lake H-Series (10 cores, 14nm) actually ships, I cannot see Apple settling on using the 9th Gen CPUs they have already used, because they want and need to distance from the current 15” to prevent customers from having any bad associations they may have now.
Unfortunately, no, I strongly believe the 16” is a Q4/2020 or Q1/2021 product, depending on when Intel ships the Ice Lake H-Series.
I would love to see apple squeeze another year - year and a half out of the current design.. but it wont happen.. the final ship sailed on this design 10 days ago
I love the design, the thinness and the weight...but I typing all day on the keyboard is not my favorite...I much prefer my Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad.
I have also had a couple of keys on my 2016 15" MacBook Pro end up feeling a little janky (one mushy, the other flat) only to right themselves after spraying air in the keyboard. So while I think the keyboard issue is overblown here on MacRumors, it is an issue. That being said...what it means is that in order for Apple to change the keyboard mechanism and properly cool the Core i7 and i9 CPUs so that they might reach a bit further in Turbo Boost, is a new chassis. I like the old 2012-2015 Retina chassis well enough, so I expect a new 16" MacBook Pro would return to a thickness closer to that chassis, not that it will necessarily quell the heat generated by the Core i9, especially a 10-core beast, if that ever sees the light of day. However, a lot of people want to see something akin to the old non-retina Unibody chassis, which I really hope does not come to fruition. I have a Late 2011 and it is heavy, awkward and definitely not one hand friendly in the least. I will say that it's keyboard is on a firm foundation and probably feels the best of the older scissors mechanisms, so there is that going for it.
My only real gripe with the current chassis is the battery life is just not enough...whereas the 2012 of 2015 I could ignore it or not let it prey on my mind, with the 2016, I am constantly monitoring it and it always seems to last less than what is should considering what I am running at the time...so I hope Apple shoots for 12 hours, not 10 and its really 10. The only time I was ever tempted to get a Mac Book Air was after some tech website (The Verge or Are Technica) got some insane amount of time out of the 2013 or the 2014. It was like 14 or 15 hours...my mind was blown.
I am sure you are right on the current design. The 2019 model is/was the last hurrah.
I see your point, but the problem with that logic is that this example just covers a single year, whereas in most other recent years, Apple released either a spec-bump/minor revision or a redesign, and there's no good reason why the year 2012 would give us a better idea of what will happen this year than any other recent year.
So from a purely statistical point of view, the release of a spec-bump this year significantly decreases the probability of a redesign this year if we use all of the recent years back until 2012 as a baseline and not just the year 2012 by itself, because in a vast majority of these years, if we got a spec-bump then we didn't get a redesign in the same year anymore. Conveniently picking the one year where it did happen only shows that it can happen, it doesn't change that from a probabilistic approach, the chances for a redesign this year (from our perspective) are a lot smaller now than they'd be if we hadn't gotten a spec bump yet.
Plus, as @Zdigital2015 pointed out, the situation back in 2012 was different than what we have now, which makes it doubtful how much we can draw any conclusions about this year from 2012.
Either way, I have no stakes in this on either side – I have a 2018 MBP that I'm personally happy with for now (despite some minor gripes), and I won't be upgrading this or next year unless something unexpected happens. The earliest I can see myself upgrade is with the rumored 2021 MBP with microLED-display if that really comes to be, but that's still far in the future and a lot can happen until then.
^I think it's very possible we'll see new models in the fall. The recent processor update was Apple making more of an effort to stay current with available chips (cf. the "silent update" to Vega GPUs in November of last year). Perhaps the Skylake delay taught them a lesson about offering periodic processor upgrades regardless of a new design in the "pipeline".
I don't think I ever said that – I believe I was much more hesistant to dismiss Ming-Chi Kuo's predictions after the 2019 MBP release than many other people on these forums and rather settled on some indecisive middle ground.
But if you'd like my opinion about it: I think this news is fairly inconclusive in regards to the 16" MBP rumor. These listings could be for the 16" model, they could also be for an updated 12" MacBook or 13" MacBook Air, or a mix of these three. Remember that there are usually multiple listings for each single model of Mac/iPhone/iPad (for different configurations and the like), so getting 7 listings doesn't necessarily mean that we also get 7 distinct new types of MacBooks. Could be that three of them are for the 12" MacBook and that four are for the 13" MBA for all we know, or even that all of them are solely for the MacBook Air for example. But alas, it's also possible that some of them are for the rumored 16" MBP.
Let's not forget that the most recent 12" MacBook turned 2 years last week as it was released at WWDC 2017, so it would be way overdue for an update, and the respective 5w TDP chips from Intel are also out since the end of last year (maybe it even skips Amberlake and went straight to the 2019 chipset instead). Honestly, I'd be pretty shocked if the 12" MacBook isn't among these 7 models, since it's also behind in many other areas currently (no T2 chip or Touch ID, slower RAM/SSD, less configurations, and so on).
Personally my guess is that both a new 12" MacBook and a refreshed MBA are among these models; both are at a point where they could very plausibly receive an update this fall. Maybe the 16" is among them aswell if we're lucky, but personally I wouldn't put my money on it at this point just yet. There are good reasons for why it could be coming this year and good reasons for why it may not be coming before next year, and this news definitely doesn't confirm one or the other.
Welp the 2019 16 inch MBP is out. Many gave up on 2019 and started a 2020 thread.
Our long watch has ended.
Our long watch has ended.