Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]

[afir93]

Has anyone actually ordered the new 2019 MBP? If so why? Seems to get a LOT of negative press on MR, but looks like both will be nice (not ideal) but pretty decent upgrades....

I think a lot of disappointment comes from the fact that Ming-Chi Kuo predicted a 16“ redesign for this year two times, which is what many people were hoping for. If it wasn‘t for that, then a more minor refresh like the one we actually got would be what I‘d have expected for this year, since redesigns thus far have happened every four years (with 2020 being the next year if Apple keeps this schedule).

This also shows that expectations based on rumours are a dangerous thing. Judged by itself, the update we got is actually very decent – among pretty much everyone‘s wishlist was a less failure-prone keyboard, which is exactly what we got (according to Apple – we‘ll have to wait and see how much that is true), and the performance gains, according to the first reports, seem to be significant aswell, and are potentially accompanied by some updates to the cooling system which was another big criticisms about the 2018 MBPs.

 

[danwells]

An October redesign is entirely possible (and even a WWDC redesign not totally impossible) IF the redesign models are added as a new option on top of the existing line, rather than replacing them. The fact that Apple has been talking to suppliers of 16"+ OLED screens suggest that the redesign may be an EXTREMELY high-end model. A screen like that would add perhaps $1000 or more to the price of an otherwise similar MBP.

They may be counting on the price of the OLED display going down over time, and the Touch Bar generation would be replaced by the OLED generation over a year or two. This would be like the Retina transition, which not only coexisted with the previous Unibody, there was actually at least one speed bump to the Unibody after the Retinas had been on the market for several months.

The mid-2012 Retina MBP 2.6 GHz (higher standard configuration) was introduced in June 2012 at $2799
On the same day (WWDC?) Apple released a Unibody (old design) MBP with the same processor and RAM for $2199. The fairer comparison is that machine upgraded with a 512 GB SSD for $2599, because the base model used a hard drive.
That Unibody model got a speed bump configuration to 2.7 GHz in February, 2013 (along with the Retinas).

Thanks EveryMac.com for the chronology - it's not at all unprecedented for Apple to have old and new models around at once.

If I had to GUESS, the Redesign MBP will show up the same day as the new Mac Pro and a 31.5" iMac Pro - probably a Pro Hardware day in October, but maybe WWDC.

Right now, they have a weird inversion in their iMac line that isn't going to sit forever - the most expensive iMac (non-pro)is faster on many tasks than an entry-level iMac Pro. They'll give the iMac Pro a case of its own, as well as returning its core count advantage, they'll either preview the new Mac Pro or actually make it available - and they'll give us the new MBP while holding the existing line over. Just like the Retinas, it'll be the same CPUs (maybe with Navi GPUs, depending on when it comes).

 

[linxy33]

anyone else remember the quote about Jonny and the team working for "months" on a design for the rainbow stage?

Maybe that's why we don't have a new MacBook Pro

 

[nameste]

I am thinking of buying the 2109 model with Vega 20 ,I wonder will there be a gpu spec bumb later this year?

 

[Thysanoptera]

I am thinking of buying the 2109 model with Vega 20 ,I wonder will there be a gpu spec bumb later this year?

Navi is around the corner, and Apple recently started silently putting into MBP every fresh-of-the-oven piece of hardware they can get their hands on. Although I don't know - is Navi an upgrade from Vega? That's like Polaris shrunk to 7nm. Maybe they will release 7nm Vega too in mobile form. Anyway - keep an eye on AMD announcements and sightings of new AMD drivers in MacOS.

 

[applesed]

Yep. Typing on it right now (and yes the keyboard feels much improved).

I got the base 15". Here's my scores: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13245654

Improved how? Thanks

 

[kp98077]

I just got my new 2019 15" MBP looks great keyboard seems bit different to type on.Not sure if its just me but it doesn't seem s thick as the prior model and almost has a tampering design like the air (very slight) I am the only one seeing this? feels better in the hand to me than the older version....

 

[NBAasDOGG]

I just got my new 2019 15" MBP looks great keyboard seems bit different to type on.Not sure if its just me but it doesn't seem s thick as the prior model and almost has a tampering design like the air (very slight) I am the only one seeing this? feels better in the hand to me than the older version....

My twin also purchased the i9 2019 15". It looks and feels exactly the same, literally! (are you sure you’re sober? )

The only good thing we have noticed is that the 8 core i9 actually runs cooler than the i7 2.2 GHz 2018.
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Navi is around the corner, and Apple recently started silently putting into MBP every fresh-of-the-oven piece of hardware they can get their hands on. Although I don't know - is Navi an upgrade from Vega? That's like Polaris shrunk to 7nm. Maybe they will release 7nm Vega too in mobile form. Anyway - keep an eye on AMD announcements and sightings of new AMD drivers in MacOS.

Navi is made for gaming workloads, not for computing. It’s most likely not suitable for the MacBooks.
However Navi Instinct cards are planned for 2020, so maybe they are also working on a mobile version...

 

[x-evil-x]

My twin also purchased the i9 2019 15". It looks and feels exactly the same, literally! (are you sure you’re sober? )

The only good thing we have noticed is that the 8 core i9 actually runs cooler than the i7 2.2 GHz 2018.
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Navi is made for gaming workloads, not for computing. It’s most likely not suitable for the MacBooks.
However Navi Instinct cards are planned for 2020, so maybe they are also working on a mobile version...

usually my keyboard feels super sloppy after a few vodka crans

 

[Thysanoptera]

he only good thing we have noticed is that the 8 core i9 actually runs cooler than the i7 2.2 GHz 2018.

Be careful with such statements, they have a tendency to being picked up by others and repeated over and over, like the whole "Vega is cooler than RX". It is physically impossible, at full load they both will be at 100C, at idle both will consume less than 1W, in between - how would you create identical conditions to compare 6 and 8 core? The 9th gen should be somewhat more power efficient but you won't see that in temperatures.

Navi is made for gaming workloads, not for computing. It’s most likely not suitable for the MacBooks.

Oh, somebody should tell Apple to stop putting 3 year old entry level gaming chips in their lineup, unless you pay CPU and GPU upgrade fee I don't see anything preventing them from just slapping "Navi Pro" label on whatever will replace RX and calling it a day.

 

[kp98077]

My twin also purchased the i9 2019 15". It looks and feels exactly the same, literally! (are you sure you’re sober? )

The only good thing we have noticed is that the 8 core i9 actually runs cooler than the i7 2.2 GHz 2018.
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Navi is made for gaming workloads, not for computing. It’s most likely not suitable for the MacBooks.
However Navi Instinct cards are planned for 2020, so maybe they are also working on a mobile version...

Maybe I should have said the thickness doesn’t seem like I thought it would be or size. Was expecting thicker and larger. Pleasantly surprised!

 

[Tony01]

Hello guys, I was waiting for the refresh too to purchase my first macbook pro but I'm reading a lot of complaints on this forum.
Do you think is worth buying now?

 

[kp98077]

Hello guys, I was waiting for the refresh too to purchase my first macbook pro but I'm reading a lot of complaints on this forum.
Do you think is worth buying now?

I think it is worth it... usually in these forums you hear a little more from those who had issues than those who didn't...

 

[Tony01]

I think it is worth it... usually in these forums you hear a little more from those who had issues than those who didn't...

My main use is programming. I'm using an XPS 2015 at the moment. It has no issues while compiling libraries (for example c++ boost library) and cpu can stay at 100% without throttling for 30 mins if not more.
What about macbook? Does this new revision suffer from heating problems? I'm really interested in mbp 13".
Thanks for your advice

 

[mreg376]

My only question is -- do the 2019's also have the T2 Bridge OS errors?

 

[MacRS4]

I've not experienced any so far, but then I don't get them on my iMac Pro of 2018 i9 either :-/

 

[mreg376]

I've not experienced any so far, but then I don't get them on my iMac Pro of 2018 i9 either :-/

That's good, but you've been lucky. The errors have been widespread, and they are the only reason I returned my 2018 MBP and have not yet gotten another. Of course for Apple to have done something about the errors in the 2019's they would have had to acknowledge there was a problem in the first place...

 

[MacRS4]

Oh I agree with yet, sure. Same with the keyboards. It's difficult to judge something when it's not part of your day.

 

[MacFather]

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[nameste]

No

My twin also purchased the i9 2019 15". It looks and feels exactly the same, literally! (are you sure you’re sober? )

The only good thing we have noticed is that the 8 core i9 actually runs cooler than the i7 2.2 GHz 2018.
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Navi is made for gaming workloads, not for computing. It’s most likely not suitable for the MacBooks.
However Navi Instinct cards are planned for 2020, so maybe they are also working on a mobile version...

So the new upgrade for the amd gpu will be in 2020 earliest?

 

[Ener Ji]

I think a lot of disappointment comes from the fact that Ming-Chi Kuo predicted a 16“ redesign for this year two times, which is what many people were hoping for. If it wasn‘t for that, then a more minor refresh like the one we actually got would be what I‘d have expected for this year, since redesigns thus far have happened every four years (with 2020 being the next year if Apple keeps this schedule).

This also shows that expectations based on rumours are a dangerous thing. Judged by itself, the update we got is actually very decent – among pretty much everyone‘s wishlist was a less failure-prone keyboard, which is exactly what we got (according to Apple – we‘ll have to wait and see how much that is true), and the performance gains, according to the first reports, seem to be significant aswell, and are potentially accompanied by some updates to the cooling system which was another big criticisms about the 2018 MBPs.

Agreed! Overall this seems like a very worthwhile update, although I have one major complaint and a few fairly minor disappointments.

My biggest complaint is that the Vega GPUs are not offered with a six-core CPU. A six-core i7 is more than enough for me, but I want the Vega GPU. Having to upgrade to the 8-core in order to be able to then upgrade to Vega starts to put the price into uncomfortable territory for me. It also strikes me that the Vega GPU might get more thermal headroom with a six-core CPU, or vice-versa, but I'm awaiting comprehensive reviews to get an indication on whether this is true.

My minor complaints:

• I had hoped for a price/value increase, i.e. by increasing the amount of SSD storage for the same price, or making the low-end Vega GPU standard, or both.
• I had hoped the webcam would be upgraded. There's no reason why video calls on mid-range phones should look better than video calls on a $3k MacBook Pro.

So the new upgrade for the amd gpu will be in 2020 earliest?

No one knows. Last year AMD had announced they were working on a Vega mobile GPU in January, and hinted it would arrive in 2019. When Apple released the 2018 MBPs with the same old 555/560 GPUs, most people surmised that AMD had been late with Vega mobile and MacBook Pro fans would have to wait until 2019 to see Vega mobile in a MBP. It was a surprise when Apple released Vega GPUs as an option in the Fall.

The same thing might happen again this year. AMD Navi GPUs are supposedly going to be introduced next month. It's possible that AMD has a Navi mobile GPU which will be ready by the Fall, giving Apple another opportunity to perform a stealth update.

Or, if Apple introduces the rumored 16" redesign as an ultra-high-end option above the current 15" models in the Fall, perhaps they'll reserve any new Navi GPUs for that model. Again, no one knows for sure.

 

[vaugha]

I have a bto 2018 mbp 15" that I picked up on April 23, 2019 and I gave the online store a call and asked them if I could do a return and order a 2019 model instead. They agreed. I'm sending my mbp back for a 2019 model. Sweet. 8 cores in a laptop and a 4th gen keyboard which should be better than my 2018 3rd gen.

 

[willpost]

Just joined forum and am going to purchase the just announced MBP. However, I am wondering if it is possible that it will be announced at the WWDC that a 16-17" screen or is this defiantly off the table for current model release. Any ideas?

 

[Audit13]

Don't think anyone knows for sure what will happen. I recommend waiting if possible.

 

[ncrypt]

You can purchase now and still return within your 2 week return window if something is announced at WWDC. I’d say anything actually materialising is unlikely though