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huh? $20 in the US certainly is "costly", when the data plan is $30 alone.

Indeed. I pay $90/month for my wife and I to have two data plans and unlimited "family" messaging ($30 for two lines...ripoff). Add in voice and we are paying a crapload per month.
 
I might like to point out sms messaging for carriers is near 100% profit for the carriers no matter how many messages you send a month. There is very little they have to handle on the back end of the system. Even with the 30 a month unlimited family plain on AT&T and sending lets say 15-20k messages in a month AT&T is netting lets say 99% profit off of it.
The data plans 5-6 gigs in a month cost AT&T about 30 bucks.

I just do not like Apple forcing you into iMessaging if there is a iOS 5 capable device linked to that number.

There's no forcing here. iMessage will have the option to be turned off.
 
You don't need unlimited data for IMs though.

I can't believe that some people think texting is anything but a scam in the current market. If everyone used IM instead of texting, there'd be no need for texting plans and the increase in data usage wouldn't even be noticeable.

I wish Google, Apple, and RIM would collaborate on a single iMessage/BBM standard since people can't seem to figure out how to avoid handing over wads of cash for texting on their own. Texting is pure profit for the carriers.

I can not see that happening unless it is via aim. I think both Google and Apple have/had strong links to AOL.
 
Animations, videos, pics, sounds, etc. are kind of the point of MMS. When your MMS app doesn't actually let those things works, why is it there? It's not just funny animations, that was just 1 example. The only thing IOS MMS does well is pictures.... which, um, is sad...

It handles pictures, video, and voice recordings deftly. What, other than .gifs, should it be able to do?
 
1120 bits

little off there. It is a 160 bytes. (1280 bits) but lets give it 20% overhead and 1600 bits which = 200 bytes. So all said and done max a text message size could be is 250 bypes or 1/4 of a kb. This is giving them an extra 50 bytes for any other communications that needs to go on before and after message.
 
So will you be able to block people from getting a receipt that you read their message? I don't like the idea of everyone knowing the second I read their message, as a delayed response can be interpreted in different ways.
 
All the text should be part of the data plan. It is a scam perpetrated by the carriers to charge extra.



imessage is an app. I'm sure if you want to message the traditional way you can open that app. Apple isn't forcing anything.

it is not me using the app that worries me. It would be people like my family members who use iPhone so they try to send me an SMS. Apple picks up oh look iOS device (my iPod) and instead of my Android cell phone getting a SMS it goes to my iPod that I do not use for messaging.
That is the problem I am worried about.

It is people switching to tell the iPhone to default to iMessaging if possible and that will cause a lot of problems. The person recieve imessages I feel should be able to reject the link up if they choose. Make it like BBM were you have to accept the invite at first to allow BBM.
 
it is not me using the app that worries me. It would be people like my family members who use iPhone so they try to send me an SMS. Apple picks up oh look iOS device (my iPod) and instead of my Android cell phone getting a SMS it goes to my iPod that I do not use for messaging.
That is the problem I am worried about.

It is people switching to tell the iPhone to default to iMessaging if possible and that will cause a lot of problems. The person recieve imessages I feel should be able to reject the link up if they choose. Make it like BBM were you have to accept the invite at first to allow BBM.

Then they can turn it off, or perhaps there will be some sort of contact selections.

And then there's the whole read receipt thing. It would say if it has been delivered and/or read.
 
I was the original poster.

All I know is that I am a strong proponent of apple products because I use them regularly. My first hand experience of witnessing MANY Windows users (primarily Dell owners) I personally know have such headaches with their equipment that they eventually switch to Apple makes me tend to overlook the few gripes I have with Apple from time to time. The trade off is worth it to me.

However I am starting to groan when I see the overuse of "i" in front of everything. Given my strong affinity for Apple, that is saying something.

There is a difference between Apple unveiling a tablet called the "ipad" similar to the iphone and ipod and naming every single feature and app with an "i" in front.

In my opinion it is starting to look ridiculous.

I realize the argument about brand recognition. It is a valid argument. I feel though that having already purchased an iOS device, the brand is recognized. "imessage" isn't going to deliver the message to people that there are iphones out there. I can't understand what value in naming another app with an i is.

Anyway it is all opinion. I've given mine and I'm sure there are many arguments of why apple should continue doing what they are doing with "i".

I'm not saying apple should drop the i from iphone or ipad or that they shouldn't put the i in front of any new device. But they can certainly come up with some new names. Apple has been known for making drastic changes. Some of which leave people scratching their heads. Apple eliminated floppy drives from all their machines when many thought it was a mistake. (I don't need to hear how some company tentatively started doing this before apple did with some models first thank you). I think perhaps Apple should buck the trend internally now before more the "i" becomes silly to too many people. Because if people start laughing at the over use of "i" then they will laugh at all i-products including the iphone. Then it is a real problem for apple. Apple needs to protect their brand by not overusing the "i".

I do agree with you somewhat. And I did agree with you when you said it, until the other guy pointed out the great branding it provides.

It has been watered down a lot.

I will say, iMessage is a well utilized example of an iName. Reason being--if you begin a new text message, the top of the screen reads "message". If the person is iMessage capable, it changes to iMessage. This communicates to you whether or not it is a free message or not. So as annoying as it is to see so many iNames out there, this one at least has a practical application.
 
Then they can turn it off, or perhaps there will be some sort of contact selections.

easier said that done. For a company that prides itself on making things idiot proof this is a pretty big fail. That is a lot more work and can cause a fair number of problems and easy to screw up. I think this was a bad design and unless they have an iPhone it should not allow defaulting at all to iMessaging. iPod, and iPads will cause a huge amount of problems.
 
it is not me using the app that worries me. It would be people like my family members who use iPhone so they try to send me an SMS. Apple picks up oh look iOS device (my iPod) and instead of my Android cell phone getting a SMS it goes to my iPod that I do not use for messaging.
That is the problem I am worried about.

It is people switching to tell the iPhone to default to iMessaging if possible and that will cause a lot of problems. The person recieve imessages I feel should be able to reject the link up if they choose. Make it like BBM were you have to accept the invite at first to allow BBM.

Your iPod wouldn't have a phone number associated with it. It's like FaceTime for the iPod in that your register an email address and your device can be contacted by using that email. Same concept but for messages.
 
So will you be able to block people from getting a receipt that you read their message? I don't like the idea of everyone knowing the second I read their message, as a delayed response can be interpreted in different ways.

I kind of have a similar feeling. For me, though, anyone I know who would interpret it in a negative way...they already assume I got the message and think I'm ignoring them. So it won't increase the frequency of people taking it the wrong way, but when I don't get the message, it will put them at bay.

Either way, I think the total of times those kind of people get upset about you not replying immediately will only go down.
 
Then they can turn it off, or perhaps there will be some sort of contact selections.
Just like FaceTime. These people are panicking over nothing.

As a matter of fact, these people don't even realize that you don't have to configure your iDevice to do anything. If you don't want to configure your address book, calendar, e-mail, FaceTime, iTunes Store, App Store, whatever, they don't need to. They don't have to take pictures or shoot video. They don't realize that they have the choice to turn off 3G data, WiFi, or even to turn off the phone and use it as a nice paperweight.

Apple isn't "forcing" people to use anything.

You don't even have to plug an iDevice in and configure it. You are perfectly free to leave it in the box forever (or sell it on Craigslist, eBay, whatever).

The amount of hysteria of these new features is completely ludicrous and utterly nonsensical.
 
it is not me using the app that worries me. It would be people like my family members who use iPhone so they try to send me an SMS. Apple picks up oh look iOS device (my iPod) and instead of my Android cell phone getting a SMS it goes to my iPod that I do not use for messaging.
That is the problem I am worried about.

It is people switching to tell the iPhone to default to iMessaging if possible and that will cause a lot of problems. The person recieve imessages I feel should be able to reject the link up if they choose. Make it like BBM were you have to accept the invite at first to allow BBM.

Since you won't be using your iPod for messaging, you can turn it off and it will rout all messages to your phone.
 
easier said that done. For a company that prides itself on making things idiot proof this is a pretty big fail.

Like it or not, it is not going to be a fail. Looks how successful BBM is.

Just because you have issues with it, doesn't mean the rest of the world will.
 
easier said that done. For a company that prides itself on making things idiot proof this is a pretty big fail. That is a lot more work and can cause a fair number of problems and easy to screw up. I think this was a bad design and unless they have an iPhone it should not allow defaulting at all to iMessaging. iPod, and iPads will cause a huge amount of problems.

Never underestimate idiots. They are very adept at finding problems when none exist.
 
Your iPod wouldn't have a phone number associated with it. It's like FaceTime for the iPod in that your register an email address and your device can be contacted by using that email. Same concept but for messages.

and yet in people contacts list my number and email address is in there so in the phone they have them link together.
I even believe my Apple ID has my cell linked to it already in terms of phone numbers.
 
Like it or not, it is not going to be a fail. Looks how successful BBM is.

Just because you have issues with it, doesn't mean the rest of the world will.

I am not saying iMessaging and BBM is bad. It is how everything links up. BBM I have to accept someone wanting me to put them on their BBM list. iMessaging I do not see that and it wants to default to iMessaging if it can.
That is the fail is how iMessaging takes off.

In Apple trying to push it they are going to cause huge problems for iPod and iPad owners that filter back over to iPhones but the iPod/iPad owners who use some other phone will be the problems.
 
So you can only send messages to other people if you have there number in your contact list?

You won't get a pin like they do on BBM or be able to use it through email like Facetime?
 
Answers to common questions:

- You do not have to use iMessages
- "Read" Receipts are Optional (No one will know you read their iMessage)
- It is international
- No Character Limit
 
Since you won't be using your iPod for messaging, you can turn it off and it will rout all messages to your phone.

I was going to suggest this, but I don't have any first-hand experience with iMessages.

Does anyone know what "iMessage eligible" means? Does it just mean that a person has an iDevice? Or does it actually search through the networks and confirm that an iDevice has an open and active connection?

The whole point of the read receipt alleviates these kinds of mix ups. The sender can see whether or not the recipient got the message, and then decide to use another method of contact.
 
You can do all of this now on Whats App along with quite a few other texting apps on the App Store. What's App only cost $0.99. It also has some other nice features like sending your location so you don't have to explain to somebody where you are. It also has clients for android and BB. No need to pay for SMS. No, I'm not the developer or friends with the developer.

iMessage seems like a non-event.... And I'm wondering how iMessage works if you share your apple id with everybody in your family.
 
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