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I agree about 90% with you. If Apple could have pulled off a great car, that could have been major growth in an entirely new sector. Sadly that seems to have been a failure.

However, if even half of the rumors about the 10th Anniversary iPhone 8 are true, then Apple will knock it out of the park.

IF Apple can ever really crack the TV problem, they could knock it out of the park there too. That's a big IF though.

I too expect the iPhone 8 to be a huge success if the design rumors are true. Problem is majority of that revenue will be replacement sales so it remains to be seen whether it'll actually restore Apple to sales and profit growth. The only way I see that happening is if Apple charges a large premium for the phone.
 
So many doom and gloom articles, yet Apple is still one of the most successful and profitable brands in the world.....
Still, it hurts to hear how Amazon is going to easily beat Apple to the trillion dollar market cap mark. Everything Amazon does is totally praised by stock pundits and analysts. Amazon can't do any wrong. Why is Apple unable to do anything to boost revenue? Apple was about three-quarters of the way to $1T and collapsed in a heap. Apple is roller-coasting at the $600 billion mark now and is stuck in quicksand. Apple has a horrible future outlook and is constantly cursed by everyone.

I'm sure it's harder to make more revenue the higher a company is but yet everyone says Amazon can easily surpass Apple in revenue. Is Jeff Bezos that much smarter than everyone at Apple? It seems that way. When I think of how Apple is sitting on a mountain of cash and can't manage to attract investors, it really seems unbelievable. Fundamentally, Apple looks like a very low risk stock with a decent dividend. And yet that's seen as a bad thing. I wasted time taking accounting because it doesn't seem to apply to the stock market. Choosing a stock for its solid fundamentals is a bust. Stocks are more successful for gamblers who happily take risks on "possible" high growth results. Two birds in a bush are worth far more than a bird in hand on Wall Street.
 
Still, it hurts to hear how Amazon is going to easily beat Apple to the trillion dollar market cap mark. Everything Amazon does is totally praised by stock pundits and analysts. Amazon can't do any wrong. Why is Apple unable to do anything to boost revenue? Apple was about three-quarters of the way to $1T and collapsed in a heap. Apple is roller-coasting at the $600 billion mark now and is stuck in quicksand. Apple has a horrible future outlook and is constantly cursed by everyone.

I'm sure it's harder to make more revenue the higher a company is but yet everyone says Amazon can easily surpass Apple in revenue. Is Jeff Bezos that much smarter than everyone at Apple? It seems that way. When I think of how Apple is sitting on a mountain of cash and can't manage to attract investors, it really seems unbelievable. Fundamentally, Apple looks like a very low risk stock with a decent dividend. And yet that's seen as a bad thing. I wasted time taking accounting because it doesn't seem to apply to the stock market. Choosing a stock for its solid fundamentals is a bust. Stocks are more successful for gamblers who happily take risks on "possible" high growth results. Two birds in a bush are worth far more than a bird in hand on Wall Street.
I'm not an investor but Amazon seems to be on their way to becoming an monopoly?
Its pretty safe way to buy just about anything so when they come out with their own copies of other peoples
tech most of us probably trust them and if we don't like it we can return it.
I guess the whole point of this rant is that it seems to me that there would be more growth potential for
Amazon because they have their fingers in so many pies?
 
Apple is a one trick pony, if they fail even once with a iPhone model launch, even if it is just a "we only sold 2/3's of normal on launch", you might as well just use that stock as toilet paper. So many people will bail on the stock it will drop like a rock in the short term. The stock is not undervalued, it is a high risk/reward stock.
 
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At the bottom of the page is an ad for buying options to turn $50,000 into $5,300,000.
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What is their correct valuation?

Well its really the dollar thats the problem. Fed printing so much money, dollar devalued, every stock is so high. Total market distortion.
 
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Make Apple grow again!

I read that as glow lol

(Taking jabs at the new MacBook pros)

I'd settle for Apple just making it chime again.

It's the old pump and dump.

That's exactly what it is.

I'm inclined to agree, but then beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you had bought it at 13 sometime in the wayback, and held onto it, probably you've nipped at some of that gravy a few times already, still got some left and cost-free by now. But yes, that outfit pitching a buy right now would love to unload some to anyone who's buying. They don't want to try to sell it sometime later at 13, see. Neither would I if it ends up there again LOL.
 
Not really. Stock price is about what a company might do tomorrow, not what it's doing today or yesterday. Complain all you want but people just aren't optimistic about Apple anymore. I say this as an AAPL stock holder, so trust me this isn't something I'm happy about.
 
Nope.

Apple just projected a return to growth in the current quarter, most likely their record Q1; they didn't want otherwise, so the guidance will be confirmed in the earnings call.

The firm is ridicolously undervalued, making the current share price an excellent entry point.
Get on board, the Titanic is unsinkable!
 
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And over the decades we've been so good at figuring out what Apple will do tomorrow... :rolleyes:
Actually, in the last decade we've gotten near perfect at predicting Apple's new products and services. Case in point, the only thing surprising about the new MacBook Pro line was the price, and not in a good way.
 
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If Google, Microsoft, and Amazon only have failures to show then what does success look like?

Apple.
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Google, Microsoft and Amazon all have huge successes along with some failures, just like Apple has some failures and successes. No reason to fanboy here.

Sure!

Take for instance Google Tv, then Android TV, compared to Apple TV.

Or Google Wallet to Apple Pay.

Or Android Wear vs Apple Watch.

Google is failure after failure!
 
So many doom and gloom articles, yet Apple is still one of the most successful and profitable brands in the world.....

Just to put into perspective, Microsoft saw record profits under Ballmer.... So Tim is getting something right, does not mean it's all great for the company
 
So many doom and gloom articles, yet Apple is still one of the most successful and profitable brands in the world.....
Why do you think there are so many doom and gloom articles?
If it were your company, would you listen and take things on board or just ignore them because you were still making a bucket load of money?

Here is a sobering fact, of the companies in the fortune 500 in 1955, only 12% remain there in 2014.
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Apple.
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Sure!

Take for instance Google Tv, then Android TV, compared to Apple TV.

Or Google Wallet to Apple Pay.

Or Android Wear vs Apple Watch.

Google is failure after failure!

How do you measure success?

Perhaps people would like to list things that Apple does not allow you to do with your devices?

Apple does not let me (in no significant order):
  • Forward my phone to a number in my contact list
  • Does not allow me to use siri to navigate using Waze nagivation program
  • Replace RAM, Battery or SSD's.
  • Replace a faulty device with a new one, only a refurbished device.
  • Use "standards" cables with my devices (e.g. usb-c on my phone)
  • Buy iPhone apps from anyone except Apple.
  • Authorise free purchases that my son makes, I have to authorise the 'purchase' of every free app under family sharing.
  • ...
 
What nonsense. In the New Normal AAPL, GOOG, and AMZN are untouchables, essentially de facto government bonds.
 
Apple's P/E is under 14 right now, which does suggest some undervalue. But I am not a fan of companies being in the 20's either (like google that is almost at 29 - that is overvalued to me).

PE has to be set alongside an earnings growth rate, otherwise it is a meaningless number. Looked at strictly on the basis of trailing earnings the PE for AAPL is actually quite optimistic and represents a market sentiment of a return to earnings growth in the 10-20% range.
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That's exactly what it is.

This is exactly what it is not, if only because that would make it a felony. A very basic comprehension issue is missing. All analyst reports are intended as advice to the firm's clients. In fact that information can be found in the very first line of the article.
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Well its really the dollar thats the problem. Fed printing so much money, dollar devalued, every stock is so high. Total market distortion.

Except in reality the dollar is soaring, which is a big problem for U.S. companies.
 
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$183 dollar evaluation... base on what?

how great MBP is and how Apple computer is doing as a whole?
how great the new designed iPhone 7 is doing??

Let's face it, Apple is selling less iPhone, with lower profit margin.
 
$183 dollar evaluation... base on what?

how great MBP is and how Apple computer is doing as a whole?
how great the new designed iPhone 7 is doing??

Let's face it, Apple is selling less iPhone, with lower profit margin.

$185. Not an evaluation, a target price in a year from now, based on their earnings projections. Definitely on the bullish side. The current average target price of all analysts is $131.
 
How do you measure success?

Perhaps people would like to list things that Apple does not allow you to do with your devices?

Apple does not let me (in no significant order):
  • Forward my phone to a number in my contact list
  • Does not allow me to use siri to navigate using Waze nagivation program
  • Replace RAM, Battery or SSD's.
  • Replace a faulty device with a new one, only a refurbished device.
  • Use "standards" cables with my devices (e.g. usb-c on my phone)
  • Buy iPhone apps from anyone except Apple.
  • Authorise free purchases that my son makes, I have to authorise the 'purchase' of every free app under family sharing.
  • ...

Because you aren't buying from Apple, doesn't make Apple unsuccessful.

Nobody buys from Google, on the other way.
 
Because you aren't buying from Apple, doesn't make Apple unsuccessful.

Nobody buys from Google, on the other way.
True, my anecdotal evidence of me switching back to PC from Mac does not necessarily mean Apple is doomed.
Neither does the increasing amount of negativity towards Apple on this site.

Yes, it looks like Apple is doing extremely well and on the face of it, sales number being bandied about do not suggest Apple is in decline, but time will tell and I think personally think Apple has started its decline based on what I hear on here and on the street and with the lack of items coming out of that magic pipline that Tim keeps talking about. At the moment it seem more of a pipedream than a pipline.
 
The FED is expected to announce a raise of interest rates by 0.25% during their meeting on Dec 13-14. Historically rate hikes resulted in a (moderate) sell-off in stocks, as it became more profitable to invest some money in bonds etc.

While some folks say that a moderate rate hike is already priced in, I would wait till after the FED decision to study the market's reaction. :cool:
 
Why do you think there are so many doom and gloom articles?
If it were your company, would you listen and take things on board or just ignore them because you were still making a bucket load of money?

Here is a sobering fact, of the companies in the fortune 500 in 1955, only 12% remain there in 2014.
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How do you measure success?

Perhaps people would like to list things that Apple does not allow you to do with your devices?

Apple does not let me (in no significant order):
  • Forward my phone to a number in my contact list
  • Does not allow me to use siri to navigate using Waze nagivation program
  • Replace RAM, Battery or SSD's.
  • Replace a faulty device with a new one, only a refurbished device.
  • Use "standards" cables with my devices (e.g. usb-c on my phone)
  • Buy iPhone apps from anyone except Apple.
  • Authorise free purchases that my son makes, I have to authorise the 'purchase' of every free app under family sharing.
  • ...
Unless you are within your return/exchange period, who out there replaces a used faulty device with a brand new one?

As far as apps and connectors go, that is how iOS and iOS devices are designed. A 2-door car also won't allow you to make use of 4 doors that aren't part of it.
 
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