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well, you sound like thoroughly likeable person.

Taken out of context.. if you're going to quote me then quote me in my entirety. All my friends know that I'm involved with technology daily and they come to me before they buy stuff, so it's only their fault, so I laugh at them in a friendly way.
 
I feel sorry for the people with a lack of knowledge to research a product before they buy an iPhone right now.

Ah, but ignorance is bliss. Seriously you'd have to have been living under a rock in siberia to have not heard about the 4G capers.

As a 3G user, a $99 3GS appeals to me. I don't need to have the latest and greatest, and the speed increase for minimal cost would be nice.

But you are talking an extra $100 on a device that is going to cost you $2000 over the contract. Seems a bit penny wise, pound foolish to me especially already knowing some of the additions like faster processor, more RAM, better video quality, etc.
 
I don't care how cheap the product, I will NEVER shop at Walmart. Anti-christ of all companies. :mad:

There are a lot of people who do not need nor want the latest technology, there are, however, people who would like a smart phone.

There are also a ton of people who can not afford a smart phone, or many other things. They shop at Wally World to save money. Money in their pocket; a smart phone; plus food in the table isn't necessarily a bad thing!

I don't like Wally World either, because of what they do to local businesses, or how they treat their help, especially women. Wally World does have a need unfortunately for many families in the USA and in other places in the world.
 
Taken out of context.. if you're going to quote me then quote me in my entirety. All my friends know that I'm involved with technology daily and they come to me before they buy stuff, so it's only their fault, so I laugh at them in a friendly way.

I see, sorry for taking you out of context, though i would find it hard to quote you in your entirety. :)
If I correctly understand your posts in this thread so far you "feel sorry for the people with a lack of knowledge", so you advise them, and if they don't take your advice you "laugh at them in a friendly way". Did I get that right?
 
That would give you "choice" - something that the Turtlenecked Overlord would not condone.
Apple does give you a choice when they are allowed to. In Hong Kong, Apple has been selling iPhones unlocked out of the box straight from Apple store. In Singapore, even subsidized iPhones are unlocked out of the box, and the 3GS is available on many wireless providers there (not singtel exclusive anymore). Many people outside the US can use iPhone for tethering, officially provided by Apple from OS 3.x. The irony is in the US, Apple is tied down by AT&T that doesn't want to give consumers choice (provider-locked, no tethering).

I guess you missed the news that Google stopped selling their unlocked phone.
Well, they said that, but nobody gives a definite date. I've been asking around, yet even the Android fanboys refused to reveal the date. As of now, you can still buy the N1 from google.com/phone
 
If I correctly understand your posts in this thread so far you "feel sorry for the people with a lack of knowledge", so you advise them, and if they don't take your advice you "laugh at them in a friendly way". Did I get that right?

Yes :cool: but the funny thing about it is that it's mostly girls :p
 
Ah, but ignorance is bliss. Seriously you'd have to have been living under a rock in siberia to have not heard about the 4G capers.

well, not necessarily... i doubt the millions of people around the world who own (or plan to buy) an iphone read these forums or are interested in "apple vs gawker". the only reason my girlfriend didn't buy an iphone in february was that i told her to wait; she hasn't got a clue who steve jobs is, never mind j. chen or leaked pictures or vietnamese websites. she just wants to have and use an iphone. even if gizmodo got a million hits for the leaked pictures - i would think that is still a minority of iphone owners/future iphone owners.

Apple does give you a choice when they are allowed to. [...] The irony is in the US, Apple is tied down by AT&T that doesn't want to give consumers choice (provider-locked, no tethering).

i do not live in the USA, so i may have misunderstood this, please correct me if this is the case.
surely in the USA apple entered into this agreement with AT&T, right? your post makes it sound like they were a priori forced to work with AT&T, and forced to work with them exclusively. are you saying that in the usa apple would have been unable to sell the device unlocked and thus give users a choice of carrier? if so: who forced apple into this agreement with AT&T?

Yes :cool: but the funny thing about it is that it's mostly girls :p

well. that's alright then. many girls like to be laughed in a friendly way.
 
For all the few crazies whom think there will be no iphone this year... this puts that to rest...

On a side note this makes me think the new iPhone is expected to be released very very soon after wwdc, like the Friday after wwdc.
 
i do not live in the USA, so i may have misunderstood this, please correct me if this is the case.
surely in the USA apple entered into this agreement with AT&T, right? your post makes it sound like they were a priori forced to work with AT&T, and forced to work with them exclusively. are you saying that in the usa apple would have been unable to sell the device unlocked and thus give users a choice of carrier? if so: who forced apple into this agreement with AT&T?
The US wireless market and consumers "forced" Apple. Remember, Apple was a newbie in the phone business, so to get a jump start of user base, they were practically "forced" to align themselves with one of the carriers (they tried Verizon, rejected, then went to the 2nd largest, AT&T). In the US, the consumers LOVE buying and paying for locked phones from wireless carriers, so Apple wouldn't have done as well if they did an unlocked iPhone straight without partnering with a carrier (ala Nokia/Sony). Apple had to play the game, and bowed down to AT&T. I don't know the specific agreement between Apple & AT&T, but today, Apple have had quite a bit or marketshare, and maybe now they can play a bit harder with AT&T (hope so).

I mean look at Android in the US. The only unlocked Android phone is the Nexus One. The rest of them are provider-locked. And this is what supposed to be an "open" OS.
 
Just give me a lower monthly plan

Verizon or ATT or Sprint, all I want is a lower cost monthly plan with tethering so I can use my laptop while traveling. I can live with a monthly data limit for a fair price.
 
I mean look at Android in the US. The only unlocked Android phone is the Nexus One. The rest of them are provider-locked. And this is what supposed to be an "open" OS.

thank you for your detailed account.
 
A 3Gs at $97 is a price I really never expected to see. That's a lot of phone!

I don't think it's right to add the total cost of a two-year contract and call that part of the phone cost; you are getting a lot of voice and data use there as well. I have a dumb phone that's out of contract and I pay about $68 per month (including taxes) for voice only.
 
Or you can add a new line before AT&T it's new $325 ETF takes . Pay $97 for new iPhone 3GS with full 12 month warranty.

Cancel line, pay the $175 old ETF. So total cost $97 plus $175 ETF plus $36 activation fee. So including taxes total would be $350 for new ipbone 3GS 16gb not under contract with full 12 month warranty.

Sell your old 3GS which has less than one month of warranty left for at least $350 and up.

You can always re add a new line in 6 months to a other subsidized phone.

I am only suggesting this to still take advantage of the $175 ETF before it increases to $325 June 1st.

I like your thinking.
 
Apple should make it a practice liquidate and discontinue older models when they release a new model. In otherwords, they should have gotten rid of the 3G long ago, and discontinue the 3GS when the next iPhone comes out.

Keep it simple and only have one active line of iPhone (or any product for that matter), so when a consumer buys an _new_ iPhone, ALL features work, no thinking about which features are available on which models.

P.
 
This would be my first iPhone launch purchase. I'm going to pay retail for the new one when it's out. If rumors are to be true, and it'll be available shortly after the keynote, will it only be available in apple stores and online? Will AT&T stores have them for no contract purchases? Trying to figure out what I want to do on the 7th, take the entire day off or a long ass lunch break :D
 
This would be my first iPhone launch purchase. I'm going to pay retail for the new one when it's out. If rumors are to be true, and it'll be available shortly after the keynote, will it only be available in apple stores and online? Will AT&T stores have them for no contract purchases? Trying to figure out what I want to do on the 7th, take the entire day off or a long ass lunch break :D

It wont be out on the 7th. I will probably be the Friday the 25th.
 
Apple should make it a practice liquidate and discontinue older models when they release a new model. In otherwords, they should have gotten rid of the 3G long ago, and discontinue the 3GS when the next iPhone comes out.

Keep it simple and only have one active line of iPhone (or any product for that matter), so when a consumer buys an _new_ iPhone, ALL features work, no thinking about which features are available on which models.

P.
I'm sure that's what Apple wanted to do (eg. the 1st gen iPhone was discontinued when they released the 3G). However, they realized that in the subsidy market like the US, people want cheap phone, and at the time of 3GS launch, Apple probably thought they wouldn't be able to make the margin they wanted to if they pushed the 3GS to the $99 price point, thus the need to keep the 3G to cover that lower end market.
 
a 3G model for free with contract would sell a lot im sure....but I dont think they will do that right away...maybe 2-3 months after the 4G
 
Here's what I want to see from Apple:
-AT&T-locked subsidized iPhone 3GS 16GB, $99
-AT&T-locked subsidized 4G iPhone 32GB, $199
-AT&T-locked subsidized 4G iPhone 64GB, $299
-Unlocked 4G iPhone 32GB straight from Apple store, $399
-Unlocked 4G iPhone 64GB straight from Apple store, $499
And the 4G iPhone to have at quad-band or 5-band UMTS, supporting both AT&T (850) and T-Mobile (1700) 3G, in addition to 1900/2100 bands. Nokia can do a 5-band UMTS with the N8, so why can't Apple.

If this happens, then the next iPhone will be a game changer, and give the Nexus One a run for its money.

This would be great!
 
I'd much rather pay $100 more for the not yet released new model. The big money is what you'll be paying for two years worth of at&t. You might has well have the nicest hardware.

...And I would much rather pay even more for an unlocked model so I don't have to be on any contract. Which is exactly what I'll be doing.
 
I don't care about the device, I care about the cost of the service. That's where the real cost lies.

Bring the iPad's data plan to the iPhone, AT&T!!
 
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