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In the Netherlands you mainly have 2 types of these systems: system 1 works with the hand scanner where you scan while shopping, the other system works as if you were the employee at the check out point, you scan everything at check out and make the payment. Payments at check out are always done with debet card. In the latter system there is a build in control where the product/price is verified against the weight that you put on the band. Of course there are some people controlling both processes, but it's a lot cheaper than all these employees at check out.

When I was in Florida last August I was surprised to find that there still was no more advanced system in place in Walmarts, Supertarget etc.
 
Jailbroken iOS devices + hacker who figures out a way to mess with this..... The stakes could be high, so I hope Walmart makes this system secure. I don't want to see thieves stealing from stores or otherwise ripping the store or customers off using some app they downloaded from a repo they put into Cydia. Sure I don't highly respect Walmart and don't buy from them, but stealing is wrong, and Walmart in the very least provides jobs.


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When I was in Florida last August I was surprised to find that there still was no more advanced system in place in Walmarts, Supertarget etc.

For some reason, northern European countries are way more advanced in these areas than the US, the country in which many of these things were invented or developed.
 
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You could buy a cart full of stuff for just the price of a soda, if someone hacks the software on the phone. You wish.

They already have self check out lanes that are always manned with security detail. They will most definately be checking reciepts.

Walmart want to get rid of cashiers eventually. The current self checkout can pretty much do anyhing a human cashier can do but does not need to be paid an hourly wage of $7.25, does not need breaks, will not make mistakes, will not give bad customer service. The iphone and eventually android checkout apps will be a step in the direction of eliminating human cashiers to increase profitability.
 
It seems like every major retailer is getting on board with paying for items by using cellphones. Walmart may use Google Wallet. The smartphone offerings by providers are getting better. http://bit.ly/H0jj0u
 
You could buy a cart full of stuff for just the price of a soda, if someone hacks the software on the phone. You wish.

They already have self check out lanes that are always manned with security detail. They will most definately be checking reciepts.

Walmart want to get rid of cashiers eventually. The current self checkout can pretty much do anyhing a human cashier can do but does not need to be paid an hourly wage of $7.25, does not need breaks, will not make mistakes, will not give bad customer service. The iphone and eventually android checkout apps will be a step in the direction of eliminating human cashiers to increase profitability.

Companies like Walmart are garbage. They don't even give liveable wages to their employees..and benefits like insurance? they have the government to provide that.

I would love nothing more than to see Walmart go under. They destroy competition with their low prices but at the cost of better paying jobs and good benefits.

That being said after a few years of the local Walmart carrying self checkouts they actually took them out because of theft issues. I don't see self checkout solutions actually replacing regular checkouts.. at least not completely.
 
Companies like Walmart are garbage. They don't even give liveable wages to their employees..and benefits like insurance? they have the government to provide that.

You make it sound like people at Walmart are forced to work there. If they don't like the wage they are paid, or benefits, or lack thereof, nothing is stopping them from getting a job elsewhere.



Back on topic... one of the local grocery store chains has a scan-as-you-shop system similar to this, except, of course, they supply the scanner. You grab one as you walk in the store. I used it once out of curiosity, but found it rather a PITA. I prefer the self check out line if its open and available. Otherwise, going to a cashier is quicker.
 
It depressing and pathetic how some people don't want the iPhone on Walmart. They think it is a luxury gadget. Have you ever seen Walmart selling an Omega Watch? Walmart sells regular products. The iPhone is just a regular item. Anyone can have it.
It is just sad that you feel special because you have one.
 
I can already so that with my iPhone or Android phone at the supermarket by my house. (Stop & Shop)

http://stopandshop.com/scanitmobile

I use this on the rare occasion that I actually go to the store. I have been using S&S PeaPod home delivery for the past year. But when I do find myself in a store, I use the scanit app. With the exception of alcohol or the rare random audit of my purchases, I don't have to interact with anybody except the nice special needs cart guy who likes to ask me about my shoes.
 
Sounds like Wally World is going to have an increase in shoplifted item percentages.

They discontinued self checkout in my area because of that

Can'see that working for them.

They are always understaffed at the checkout registers , so this would be gat.

But, if there is no fail safe system and they try this it will be as short lived as the self checkout.
 
I don't think there is a weight scale when you pay in the self checkout lines as the only way for the store to check the items you are buying though. If it is by weight, I can see people figuring out the weight of the items and getting similar weighted items that are more expensive and scan the cheaper product.
 
How many of those people can afford iPhones in the first place though?
what kind of ignorant question is that. There are poor people there, true. But the poor are everywhere. AR is a beautiful place. I have a time share there and get over there one week every year

There are plenty of upper middle class and even rich people who live there. Get out more. Travel. Arkansas is great. It ain't Little Abner!
 
You could buy a cart full of stuff for just the price of a soda, if someone hacks the software on the phone. You wish.

They already have self check out lanes that are always manned with security detail. They will most definately be checking reciepts.

Walmart want to get rid of cashiers eventually. The current self checkout can pretty much do anyhing a human cashier can do but does not need to be paid an hourly wage of $7.25, does not need breaks, will not make mistakes, will not give bad customer service. The iphone and eventually android checkout apps will be a step in the direction of eliminating human cashiers to increase profitability.

You are right that it does not need an hourly wage, doesn't need breaks, and doesn't need benefits and in general is cheaper than a human wage slave.

But... it still does have some maintenance costs and while it may not make mistakes it also is easier for people to find ways around to steal, and bad customer service? It won't be giving good customer service either. Just cause it doesn't insult people or have a bad mood doesn't make it good customer service (That's just minimal customer service). For many people, even those tech inclined (but less so), they'll find they wish they had a real person (that isn't limited to set answers, that is willing to actually show you where something is, that can actually have the power to override a rule if they feel it warrants it <- in fact you get better customer service at stores that allow their employees some leeway in how they enforce rules rather than the ones that are very strict on their employees that they cannot bend rules or have to always get a manager to do so).

So, it's cheaper and for a place like Walmart probably for their bottom line it is better. But if a store wants to be known for good customer service (one of the few ways to still compete with Walmart and even online stores), they really still do need people.

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You make it sound like people at Walmart are forced to work there. If they don't like the wage they are paid, or benefits, or lack thereof, nothing is stopping them from getting a job elsewhere.

In places where Walmart has succeeded in chasing off the competition the fact there is nowhere else is stopping them from getting a job elsewhere. Or for that matter most places around the country jobs are not that plentiful right now (and retail really is hurting. Not just from walmart but from online sales) so telling some one to go find a job elsewhere is really ignorant. Most retail is not hiring full time anymore and tends to be understaffed. I mean this whole thread is about how Walmart is trying to reduce the amount of people they hire...

It's really easy to say, "don't like it, go somewhere else". A lot harder when you are in that position. Also, especially when people espouse that attitude that it is fine for a store to treat their employees how they like, what happens when the other places also do that because, well, it is cheaper... where do you expect the person to find another job that is any different? Retail, especially these days, is easy to find some one to fill a job. So why would other jobs feel any impetus to be any different? They don't need to compete to find employees.

Sometimes it does take an outer entity (Customer outrage on how they are treating employees or even government) if you really want to convince a place to treat the employees better. Cause the employees themselves don't have the kind of leverage to convince employers in that field to do any better and employers know it. This is also why Unions are not out of date. Sure, there are Unions who have gone too far and some fields need Unions a far lot less than other fields. But fields where there is not much skill needed and anyone physically capable can do it are in need of it far more. There was just an article recently about a coal mine that was not unionized that forced their employees to go and donate to a political event. The owner said, "We had managers that communicated to our work force that the attendance at the xxxxx event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend the event." Are you going to tell those people that if they don't like it they can find a job somewhere else when that is the only job that is available in that area? Your attitude seems very similar to the manager, "Oh, they can just find a job elsewhere if they don't like it." Difference is that manager knows very well that there is no elsewhere in that area (at least you can say you didn't think about that).
 
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How many of those people can afford iPhones in the first place though?

I have no doubts that if such a system is put into place that theft/ shoplifting/ 'I-thought-I-paid-for-it's' will increase exponentially and cause problems. But given Wal-Marts clientele, I think a majority will be 'iPhoned' out from the get go.

I can guarantee you tons of those people have iPhones.
 
Sounds like the perfect feature to deploy to a customer base with below average intelligence and technical inclination.

I suppose since you are a scholar you have scientific studies and data to support your statement? Or is it a just empty intelligensia, elitist snark, based on your own low self esteem and pretentiousness?

It seems to me if one goes to a store -- any store -- to save money that is a rational and, well, intelligent decision. And, the fact is, Walmarts are located in diverse locations such as Fairfax, VA, or the Buckhead area in Atlanta, each among the highest per capita income and educated communities in the U.S. So, your stereotype is just that. Also, wealthy and educated people don't dress like the monopoly man. They have worn out sneakers and comfortable ratty shirts like everyone else too. Some are even overweight and drive Hondas.
 
Everyone shops at Wal-Mart, from the dregs of society, to the upper middle class. And why shouldn't they? It's relatively inexpensive, and you're guaranteed to find one within 5 miles of your house. Wal-Mart has succeeded mostly on being convenient.

...amongst other things, but that's an entirely separate subject.

I've noticed that a person's opinion of Wal-Mart's clientele is colored mostly by the location of the store, or what times they happen to visit. A Wal-Mart located in the middle of a city is likely to land comparatively upper crust customers as opposed to a Wal-Mart out in the middle of nowhere. Then you have the scheduled folk. Visit early in the morning, and practically all you'll see are elderly retirees. Early afternoon to evening? Middle class soccer moms and nurses. Midnight on? That's when it gets surreal.

You can't peg Wal-Mart as exclusively lower class.

Yeah I think some of the comments are really distasteful. Since everyone knows what's

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Everyone shops at Wal-Mart, from the dregs of society, to the upper middle class. And why shouldn't they? It's relatively inexpensive, and you're guaranteed to find one within 5 miles of your house. Wal-Mart has succeeded mostly on being convenient.

...amongst other things, but that's an entirely separate subject.

I've noticed that a person's opinion of Wal-Mart's clientele is colored mostly by the location of the store, or what times they happen to visit. A Wal-Mart located in the middle of a city is likely to land comparatively upper crust customers as opposed to a Wal-Mart out in the middle of nowhere. Then you have the scheduled folk. Visit early in the morning, and practically all you'll see are elderly retirees. Early afternoon to evening? Middle class soccer moms and nurses. Midnight on? That's when it gets surreal.

You can't peg Wal-Mart as exclusively lower class.

Yeah I think some of the comments are really distasteful. Since everyone knows walmarts customer base better than they do, what do you think the purpose of the system is to be used for? Oh yeah, they are trying to lure iPhone users into their store.
 
Our grocery store already does this with custom scanners so I assume it would work exactly the same with an iPhone as the scanner.

Not really a complicated difference.

(But don't let real-world examples stop MR posters from telling you why this couldn't work. By all means, carry on. )

Same here. I fail to see the advantage the iphone brings over that, though. Sure, you dont have to buy the equipment - but how costly could a scanner be anyway?
 
Sounds like the perfect feature to deploy to a customer base with below average intelligence and technical inclination.
This sounds really stereotypical, but it is, in fact, my exact experience every single time I go into walmart. These folks can't even use their own charge card (which they shouldn't be charging groceries with in the first place) and then have to be told repeatedly how to get it to work and then have to work the electronic entry node 6 times before they figure it out. There may be better tech-savvy and higher intelligent customers there, but I've never seen them.

Don't get me started on when they decide, half way through the checkout that they don't want this, don't want that, send little Johnny back into the store to get something else, what's the price on this, no I don't want it then, etc, etc, etc.

Tell me again how this iPhone scan thing is going to work at walmart?
 
It's the same here in the UK, except that some bloody annoying shops often have nobody manning the old style checkouts so you have to use the self service however much shopping you have!

It's a good question though, unless they have scales in the trollies/baskets which are then linked to your iPhone then how do they know you haven't added something without scanning it? Tags on everything that trigger an alarm when passing through the shop doors unless they've been registered as purchased in the backend DB perhaps?

Tagging is too expensive - at least for now. Would say that "standard procedure" is to do random checks, flagging customers who show discrepancies.

While scales sound nice, i would guess that they add a false sense of security that could very easily be exploited (e.g. adding 1kg of cheap goods to the bill, adding 1kg of expensive goods to the bag).

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RFID tags.

If I scan a bag of OREOs but send a box of Captain Crunch down the conveyor belt it stops and sends it back.

Computers know everything these days.

Based on the comments it sounds like some other stores use scales, but I'm certain mine uses RFID since it does this on a conveyor belt and I don't see how it could weigh stuff while it's moving.

Yes, RFID will solve many things - eventually (that said, RFID solutions can be "hacked" too).
 
Put it back into my community? So by not shopping at Albertsons for my paper towels I'm robbing my community? Please. This is the real world. I have two children and a limited income. I'm not going to over-spend to "help my community", and be left without enough money to buy diapers at the end of the month. Yeah, it's a vicious cycle. I didn't create it, I'm just playing the cards I was dealt. I don't have the luxury to "think about the greater good". I need to provide as best I can for my three dependants and create a savings so my children can go to college. The plan you propose would leave my kids without food, diapers, and college fund.

Well said
 
Don't get me started on when they decide, half way through the checkout that they don't want this, don't want that, send little Johnny back into the store to get something else, what's the price on this, no I don't want it then, etc, etc, etc.

Tell me again how this iPhone scan thing is going to work at walmart?

Well, for one thing it can tell them their total as they go so they don't go up to the register with far more than they can afford and use the cashier as a way of calculating how much it all costs (as a cashier I can tell you I really hate when people do this but some people really have no clue on numbers and how to at least make a guesstimate of how much things cost. As some one who is decent with numbers it took me a long time before I finally realized that, yes, some people really just don't have the ability to calculate numbers at all. It frustrated me a lot more when I was like, "There is no way they couldn't have known that was going to go over what money they have on hand." Some people are just really bad with numbers). They can look down and realize that they are going above their budget and take things out before they reach the register and cause a huge line when they sit there debating on what they really need. And btw, being bad with numbers doesn't necessarily mean you'll not understand technology (in fact some people are bad with numbers cause they've gotten so used to relying on a calculator. If you don't use it, you lose it. It's why I try to calculate people's change in my head before my register does cause I want to keep at least my basic math skills sharp).

Then again, from a retail slave's perspective, it probably means a much messier store with more things getting displaced far from where they go as I bet people will just take things out of the cart where they are rather than put it back. In a way, it means they can't get rid of all us wage slaves cause until they build moving robots that can re shelves things they'll need us for all that mess ;).
 
Walmart really should just Call IBM and order one of their Self Checkout POS systems. They have them at BJ's wholesale club and they work pretty smoothly. I use to work there and supervise them and they really helped especially during busy times. Scanning barcodes with a phone camera is still much more of a pain compared to a dedicated scanner.

Most Wal Marts already have Self Checkouts, a Company called RetailX does most of it for Wal Mart.
 
Not like it's hard to shop lift from Wal-Mart as it is. Most of the time my Wal-Mart's self-checkout line is unsupervised and no one is at the door to check if the buzzer goes off, nor does anyone bat an eye.

The local college kids more or less shop lift from there constantly for food.
 
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