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Want to legitimize my pirated apps, best way to do it?
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Well, in the juridical sense stealing means you have taken something that belongs to someone else. Downloading pirated software is as much stealing as it is to sneak into a concert without paying. It's still a crime, it's still considered to cause economical damage, but it's not literally stealing.
The reason why people are saying it's stealing is because of the lobbying. You wouldn't steal a movie from a store to watch it, but buy or rent it instead, so you shouldn't watch a movie you haven't bought or rented even if the part where you're physically lifting the copy from a shelf isn't there. Ergo, pirating is stealing.
It's not correct, but it's a very effective way to get their view of how serious pirating is across to the general public.
Theft is theft whether it be a material object or a mere service or intellectual property. Piracy is a crime because it is a theft of something of value.
Would you look at that, "theft of service(s)" is a real thing. That showed me not to trust definitions of legal terms to stay the same... Where I'm from, it would just be fraud(ulent behavior).
So I guess in the states piracy really is stealing then
Many apps have a free demo version. What stops you using them?
You can also try to ask the developers if they can publish a demo version too.
You can also try to ask the developers if they can publish a demo version too.
Would you look at that, "theft of service(s)" is a real thing. That showed me not to trust definitions of legal terms to stay the same... Where I'm from, it would just be fraud(ulent behavior).
So I guess in the states piracy really is stealing then
I thought IP theft was pretty much a globally recognised thing? You know, like patents, copyright, all of that. It's not physical stealing, but then neither is emptying a bank account over the internet - it's just reducing a number in one place and increasing it in another, but it's still most definitely stealing if it's not your money and you don't have permission to use it
Would you look at that, "theft of service(s)" is a real thing. That showed me not to trust definitions of legal terms to stay the same... Where I'm from, it would just be fraud(ulent behavior).
So I guess in the states piracy really is stealing then
A few examples of a theft of service would be this: I run an extension cord from an exterior outlet of your home and power my tv, or I tap into telephone service from an exterior junction box on your house. Another common example is a contractor who dumps their debris into the dumpster of a grocery store. The dumpster owner is paying for the service not the contractor...this is theft despite the contractor not carrying "something" away.
Your mipoc view may not agree that piracy is a category of theft but it is.
You're probably trying to say "myopic"... The thing is, piracy is theft according to US laws, but not according to the laws where I'm from. Where I'm from, "theft of service" doesn't exist, instead it's considered to be fraud.
So the only ""mipoc view" (sic) I had was assuming the usage of the legal term theft would be similar in both countries.
So is piracy theft in the legal sense of the word? It clearly depends on which country you're in.
Get over it, you're beating a dead horse. How many times would you like me to answer the same question? Stop shaking your index finger at me, you ain't my mama.
UPDATE:
Took me a while, but after much deleting and redownloading, i've purged my devices of all pirated apps (iOS devices at least
)and now have freemium apps in addition to ones that i use and purchased. Was a hassle but worth it.It started with technical advice, then turned into a discussion about morals and repentance, and now it's about legal definitions on piracy and theft (not sure by which law, though). Does it always turn out like this around here when piracy is involved?
Agreed. Laws differ from country to country, state by state, and even bu municipalities.
Oh yes.
The good news is that these piracy-centred threads have been proven to decrease piracy by up 5000% worldwide each, at the minor cost of thread derailment and actual help.
And if the law conflicts with one's own morals, then what? A person with integrity (and character) will follow his true morals regardless of the law. Basically, I think the legal implications are way off this topic, but you're the one who brought it up. As for the moral questions, there is very little to add.
In reality my mom couldn't care less whether i pirate software or not, same probably goes for most moms. But again, this is totally off topic.
A lot of developers will also give people promo codes if they ask nicely and don't act entitled.
There is no correlation. Piracy is theft. Legally, morally and in any other way you can think of. Your attempts to compare it to firing someone are just silly. If you're a pirate, you're a thief. Period.
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More accuratly, he's beating a live thief.
Good lord are you for real???
The only way the above would remotely be the same to piracy would be if you went into the market, cloned some fruit, walked out with cloned fruit, and left the fruit in the supermarket exactly the same as it was before you walked in.
Michael
Oh, but if the law says that cloning fruit is stealing, then it's stealing and the perpetrator is therefore a thief for doing so. After all, the supermarkets and farmers lose money that way. Whether or not you compensate the farmers IF you ate the fruit, it doesn't change the fact that you STOLE it in the first place
I guess this was Gutwrench's point.Utter, uninformed, nonsense. See below.
Legally, piracy is not theft. Piracy is robbery or forcible depreciation on the high seas.Oh, but if the law says that cloning fruit is stealing, then it's stealing and the perpetrator is therefore a thief for doing so. After all, the supermarkets and farmers lose money that way. Whether or not you compensate the farmers IF you ate the fruit, it doesn't change the fact that you STOLE it in the first place
The kind of piracy discussed in this thread is really copyright infringement. (Don't pay attention to the wannabe lawyers in this thread trying to legally equate software piracy with theft.)
In Dowling v. United States the Supreme Court of the United State said otherwise. They ruled that copyright infringement is not theft, conversion, or fraud and that illegally made copies are not stolen goods.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...v8XPDA&usg=AFQjCNEHH35dauyl8FhE1T2vO3RQNifOGA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowling_v._United_States_(1985)
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it generally turns out like this no matter how the thread originally started
this one is just a little lite right now
Get over it, you're beating a dead horse. How many times would you like me to answer the same question? Stop shaking your index finger at me, you ain't my mama.
UPDATE:
Took me a while, but after much deleting and redownloading, i've purged my devices of all pirated apps (iOS devices at least
Might want to change original post status to "RESOLVED"
That's when you get a refund from the App Store:
http://obamapacman.com/iphone-guides/how-to-get-refund-from-apple-app-store/
Glad to hear you're doing the right thing. I used to use pirated stuff in the past as well, I still jailbreak, but I never use pirated apps.
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