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Want to legitimize my pirated apps, best way to do it?
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Call Apple yourself. The Genius Bar originally set us up. And again last month we bought a new iPad and the Apple set up rep set us up again with full knowledge.
Lastly, detective, read the thread you quoted me from and I believe you will see others who have done he same legitimately.
I believe I asked YOU to prove a statement that YOU made. I'm not chasing around trying to prove your rather ill thought out point. Just saying "The guy in the Apple store told me to do it." is just conjecture and is not showing anyone that Apple, as a company, encourage the unauthorised replication of Apps that you and your family are engaged in.
So what you're saying is because other people are doing it, that makes it right?
You draw some interesting lines for yourself.
Being juvenile isn't necessary. If you doubt this is a legitimate and permitted use of an Apple ID I informed you of a way to eliminate it. If you choose to ignore it this is your issue. Again the Apple Genius bar said our family could share the Apple ID because our family owns the devices. He set our devises up sharing it yet we have (had) separate Mobile Me accts.
Drop the schoolboy antics and make the call. The proof has been provided.
okay....
If it's not necessary then you must just enjoy it?
How is that proof!? Okay in which case I’ll say the following:
I just phoned Apple and they said that what you're doing is against their TOS and they'll behead anyone caught doing so. Now phone Apple and prove me wrong.
Get my point? Anyone can claim that someone said anything, it doesn't mean it happened. Please provide some form of documentation to support your cause or admit there isn't any and you're just winging it because your moral opinion is that it's okay to do so. Once you have admitted that I’ll happily get someone to use the “I may not be your mama but I venture a guess she'd expect you to have more ethics, morals, and character...sonny” line on you.
No you have no point other than playing childish games.
Your question was asked, answered and you've ignored it. You're now merely being obstinate and obtuse.
Edit: If you prefer to continue this senseless path feel free to pm me. Your choice.
Your question was asked, answered and you've ignored it. You're now merely being obstinate and obtuse.
Edit: If you prefer to continue this senseless path feel free to pm me. Your choice.
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So.... no proof whatsoever then. how disappointing.
I have asked you questions you've basically given me no answers. You have called me juvenile and you are the one making narky pathetic comments. I see no point in having any further discussion with you, in my opinion you are a troll, nothing else.
To clear things up from my side, I actually share an Apple ID with my girlfriend and I personally see nothing wrong with it, but I am not judging what other people are doing whilst sitting on my high horse.
The fact is if a developer takes the time developing an app they are not going to be 100% happy with you sharing one copy of that app with your whole family, in the same way they wouldn't be 100% happy with people trying their app via the piracy route. Either way it’ll probably mean less money in their pockets.
Open your eyes and stop judging people you don't even know. No one is ever 100% in the right not even you Gutwrench.
edit: just read your edit. I see no point, I just wanted to highlight the above and I have done so. so discussion over.
edit: just read your edit. I see no point, I just wanted to highlight the above and I have done so. so discussion over.
Not surprising.
Is that Genius Bar guy party to a contract You've making with Apple when buying applications ? Because if not, he doesn't have any right or liability to say to You what You can and what You cannot do with Your software.
Basically in copyright laws of many of european countries, You can share with Your family or close friends: music, movies, books, magazines, any other content You own, with EXCEPTION of software. More than that, when You buying and/or using software You are OBLIGATED to follow software licence (contract between You and developer or distributor), which in many cases is much more restrictive than Your country copyright law. And ive never seen software licence which allows to share software with anyone. In this case App Store EULA says:
By breaching of software licence it becomes invalidate, and You are loosing right to use it at all - if You still do, there is no difference between You and somebody who downloaded pirated copy from internet. Your copy becomes pirated anyway.
Basically in copyright laws of many of european countries, You can share with Your family or close friends: music, movies, books, magazines, any other content You own, with EXCEPTION of software. More than that, when You buying and/or using software You are OBLIGATED to follow software licence (contract between You and developer or distributor), which in many cases is much more restrictive than Your country copyright law. And ive never seen software licence which allows to share software with anyone. In this case App Store EULA says:
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(i) If you are an individual acting in your personal capacity, you may download and sync an App Store Product for personal, noncommercial use on any iOS Device you own or control.
(ii) If you are a commercial enterprise or educational institution, you may download and sync an App Store Product for use by either (a) a single individual on one or more iOS Devices used by that individual that you own or control or (b) multiple individuals, on a single shared iOS Device you own or control.By breaching of software licence it becomes invalidate, and You are loosing right to use it at all - if You still do, there is no difference between You and somebody who downloaded pirated copy from internet. Your copy becomes pirated anyway.
Good find with the "If you are an individual acting in your personal capacity, you may download and sync an App Store Product for personal, noncommercial use on any iOS Device you own or control."
My wife and I share an iTunes account, and share many apps. Both phones were bought under my account anyway.
My wife and I share an iTunes account, and share many apps. Both phones were bought under my account anyway.
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Three people, three devices, one payment. Now that's an elegant workaround so as to not have to pay the developers for using their software.
So when your family is hungry, Gutwrench, do you "waltz into the market", buy some food for yourself and then shoplift twice that amount for your wife and daughter to eat? When you got them their iPads, did you buy one iPad for you, and then steal the other two for your family? Just get a disgruntled employee to say "I don't care, just do it when don't see it" and you would have it all justified, like you may have done with the Genius.
No of course you didn't. Not only because you would never steal anything, but because it's ridiculous to compare duplication with theft. I hope you can see it too now.
Legally, you may be doing what's right in this, i.e. sharing your account with close family, this depends on the EULA and the legislation of your country. However, you have argued from a moral point of view in this entire thread (except where you say that theft is illegal), and the legal implications are therefore less interesting. I fail to see why try-before-buy is morally worse than regularly using the software without paying for it.
So when your family is hungry, Gutwrench, do you "waltz into the market", buy some food for yourself and then shoplift twice that amount for your wife and daughter to eat? When you got them their iPads, did you buy one iPad for you, and then steal the other two for your family? Just get a disgruntled employee to say "I don't care, just do it when don't see it" and you would have it all justified, like you may have done with the Genius.
No of course you didn't. Not only because you would never steal anything, but because it's ridiculous to compare duplication with theft. I hope you can see it too now.
Legally, you may be doing what's right in this, i.e. sharing your account with close family, this depends on the EULA and the legislation of your country. However, you have argued from a moral point of view in this entire thread (except where you say that theft is illegal), and the legal implications are therefore less interesting. I fail to see why try-before-buy is morally worse than regularly using the software without paying for it.
If I buy a video game and want to play it in the living room xbox, why can't I take it upstairs and play it on MY other xbox? (I don't own an xbox)
Ericwalker: You can under Apple EULA - it says "own or control", if You control that xbox you dont need to own it. But Your Xbox game EULA may say otherwise
But if You use same apps on same account with Your wife, its still breach of Apple EULA, because together with Your wife You arent one "individual"
But if You use same apps on same account with Your wife, its still breach of Apple EULA, because together with Your wife You arent one "individual"
No-one said you can't. It would be ridiculous to make such a claim. But if you and your brother and your cousin are going to play it on 3 different xboxes simultaneously, good luck doing so without violating the EULA. Unless you have 3 legit copies of the game (all paid for), of course.
Being able to share stuff is one of the big things missing in the digital age I reckon. It's one reason I refuse to buy ebooks with DRM. Normally when I buy a book, I read it, then I pass it to relatives if they want to read it, or I pass it on to a charity shop to be resold. Ebooks? Can't do that.
Should we do that with apps? Yes and no. In the old days you could pass a game on to a friend when you were finished with it - you'd just give them the disk. As a developer I think that's actually totally normal. But if you copy it, you can give him the copy to play while you're playing it. And you can give it to all your friends, so can they, and in the end the whole world gets it for free except the one guy that bought it - obviously that's totally wrong.
I think the 'right' way is a pretty loose interpretation of apple's "5 devices" rule. If you can share it with a few people, OK, so long as it's not *everyone*.
Again, it's that golden rule: it's OK so long as it's not too easy or too widespread.
Should we do that with apps? Yes and no. In the old days you could pass a game on to a friend when you were finished with it - you'd just give them the disk. As a developer I think that's actually totally normal. But if you copy it, you can give him the copy to play while you're playing it. And you can give it to all your friends, so can they, and in the end the whole world gets it for free except the one guy that bought it - obviously that's totally wrong.
I think the 'right' way is a pretty loose interpretation of apple's "5 devices" rule. If you can share it with a few people, OK, so long as it's not *everyone*.
Again, it's that golden rule: it's OK so long as it's not too easy or too widespread.
The problem with that is the very attitude being shown in this thread, that someone who thinks sharing it with everyone is all right breaks the rules and then we're right back to where things stand now. A few ******s who don't give a crap about the consequences of pirating puts the creators/sellers on the defensive, who in turn makes it harder on those of us who are very happy to pay for our content.
Well done. Your reading is good. Unfortunately your comprehension is lacking.
Nope
No. That's a completely didn't meaning of piracy.
No, because you've actually taken something away.
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The law doesn't say otherwise.
I don't think anyone has suggests that it does conform.
piracy is not right
there is no real world equivalent analogy to digital piracy, shoplifting is entirely different
stop it with the incorrect analogies
there is no real world equivalent analogy to digital piracy, shoplifting is entirely different
stop it with the incorrect analogies
I don't think anyone in this thread has suggested it's not criminal. Though actually as long as no profit is made then piracy is a civil offence not a criminal one.
I wonder if gardners are pirates. They can buy seeds very cheaply (or free) in bulk and grow thousands of plants, which could then be given away. Flower shops may go bankrupt!!
You are correct, they can GROW THEIR OWN. They have to put their own time and hard work into growing the plants. Your example is garbage because a pirate is doing absolutely nothing but stealing the product of someone else's hard work without providing the creator proper compensation.
What's with all the butt pirates here? What about me, the pirate "arrhh"? How am I to make a living? How am I to finance my pillaging? I must take booty to find the booty.
Pirating! YOHO! I'm going to make all you butt pirates walk my plank!
Typed with my pirated software apps.
Pirating! YOHO! I'm going to make all you butt pirates walk my plank!
Typed with my pirated software apps.
You know, I have a feeling that it was pirates who came up with the term piracy. If you're doing something illegal, you might as well make it sound cool and call yourself a pirate.
They exist whatever the rules are. Don't let them overrun the world, but don't spoil it for everyone else too.
They exist whatever the rules are. Don't let them overrun the world, but don't spoil it for everyone else too.
Isnt copying CDs a hard work? Did You ever tried to copy couple hundreds of CDs?
And can You imagine how hard pirates worked in early 90ties, spending whole week copying music on tapes and games on very slow diskettes, when sometimes one game was on 20 of those? And after that spending whole weekend staying on rain on some marketplace trying to sell that stuff ?
Isnt that a hard work ?
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About early nineties. Piracy actually was perfectly legal in many european countries. In countries in which it wasnt legal, it was still easiest, best and sometimes only way of getting games. Cracking scene was growing and blooming. And then developers were creating great games in their garages, mixing passion, art and craft, spending thousands of hours polishing them & optimising for poor hardware. Those games will always have place in history. Usually developers didnt even complain about piracy, they were saying that piracy is good because more people can see and play their games.
Then late 90-ties came, big companies started producing games and fighting with piracy - which was already illegal almost around the world. Time developers need to spend on game was minimised - engines were bought, scenarios were bought, graphics were outsourced. New games were not optimised at all, and devs stopped putting even a tiny bit of passion into their products. Most of games simply sucked hard. But how hard they started to fight piracy, how loud they blamed pirates for everything bad in game industry.
Am i the only one who see something odd in developers behaviour?
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