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After reading an article on Anandtech about AMD and their forthcoming ARM architecture CPU for Servers, it makes me think that Apple is doing something similar for the Air's.

So while I am eager to see what the new Air's will look like and perform like, I have a sick, in my gut, feeling that if not this year, then probably next year, we'll see an Apple ARM based Macbook Air sporting a blazing fast A8 or A9 or A10 processor, running a new hybrid version of OS X 11.

Which tells me that I am standing near a precipice in deciding to either stick with the last generation of the Intel architecture, or make the plunge, full speed ahead, with the ARM bandwagon, and don't look back.

History tells me that, although I would want to get the highest spec - current version, after a few years, app support will wane and I will be forced to move on or else stay content with my versions capabilities.
 
After reading an article on Anandtech about AMD and their forthcoming ARM architecture CPU for Servers, it makes me think that Apple is doing something similar for the Air's.

So while I am eager to see what the new Air's will look like and perform like, I have a sick, in my gut, feeling that if not this year, then probably next year, we'll see an Apple ARM based Macbook Air sporting a blazing fast A8 or A9 or A10 processor, running a new hybrid version of OS X 11.

Which tells me that I am standing near a precipice in deciding to either stick with the last generation of the Intel architecture, or make the plunge, full speed ahead, with the ARM bandwagon, and don't look back.

History tells me that, although I would want to get the highest spec - current version, after a few years, app support will wane and I will be forced to move on or else stay content with my versions capabilities.

But what could you do with a new ARM MBA? Seriously?

You could only run current iOS apps that could quickly recompiled for a MBA. There is no way you could emulate x86 code fast enough that you'ld be happy with (at least not for me). That cuts out a lot of functionality in my book.

When Apple switched to x86/Intel they gained (through BootCamp) the ability to get Windows users to buy Macs. If they go ARM in the MBA that compatibility is gone.

I do not think Intel is done at the low end of MBAs. They are putting all of their resources into making their mobile processors use less power. ARM can't yet touch their performance and when they can, Intel will probably be at ARM's power level.

I just can't see that many people buying an ARM crippled MBA. Those people would be better off buying an iPad Air and a very light 'tag-along' keyboard.

Would anyone really pay $700 for a MBA that only runs ARM? I don't see that happening now.
 
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But what could you do with a new ARM MBA? Seriously?

You could only run current iOS apps that could quickly recompiled for a MBA. There is no way you could emulate x86 code fast enough that you'ld be happy with (at least not for me). That cuts out a lot of functionality in my book.

When Apple switched to x86/Intel they gained (through BootCamp) the ability to get Windows users to buy Macs. If they go ARM in the MBA that compatibility is gone.

I do not think Intel is done at the low end of MBAs. They are putting all of their resources into making their mobile processors use less power. ARM can't yet touch their performance and when they can, Intel will probably be at ARM's power level.

I just can't see that many people buying an ARM crippled MBA. Those people would be better off buying an iPad Air and a very light 'tag-along' keyboard.

Would anyone really pay $700 for a MBA that only runs ARM? I don't see that happening now.

While I personally could never use something like that, I think it's where Apple will be going.

iOS is a consumer OS and the MBA is their consumer notebook. The vast majority of MBA users just do word processing, email and web browsing on their machines. iOS has the full iWork suite compatible with desktop now, and email/browsing are cake on it as well. Plus, from what I understand Apple has been pushing resolution independence to developers, so there wouldn't be much of an issue with the larger screen.

Apple owns its own chip fab and they have their own chip designs which get better and better each year. A notebook running iOS wouldn't need much more processing power than the current iPad Air, just at a higher resolution to fit a proper notebook screen. They can also put in 4GB (or more) of RAM now with 64 bit, since notebook users multitask much more than tablets.

IMO, the biggest reason though would be the drastically lower costs they could achieve by using ARM based processors. Intel lists an i7 4650u at $426. Apple probably pays less than that for bulk purchases, but its no where near the $18 an A7 costs. Cutting a couple hundred dollars from the product BOM is huge, and it'll be the main push.They could even cut the price slightly to entice more PC switchers.

And sadly, the Intel processors will be relegated as "Pro" features, only available in the MBP as far as notebooks.
 
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Are you guys serious? An ARM based MBA?

Ok what would you get? A folding keyboard iPad and if you haven't noticed there are more than one provider of these type of products. I have used with great success the Apple BT Keyboard with my iPad over the years so why would I exchange the limitations of the iPad for my MBA?

No Apple will not offer such a device because they already do, it's that simple.

What will come is a better OSX and higher powered, longer battery life portable Intel based devices.

I'm looking to replace my Late 2010 11" Air with a new one this year, if Apple updates the model enough.

BTW I'm a huge fan of touch screen and was hoping Apple would have added that to OSX, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
When is the New MBA due out? Is Apple phasing out the 13" display? I hope not. I have a 2011 MBA. I'm ready for an upgrade.

Why shouldn't Apple phase out the 13-inch display? Apple already has a 13-inch MacBook Pro, which is only marginally heavier than the current Air, and superior in nearly every other respect.

A 12-inch Air would make perfect sense.

As for when, it's hard to know. But I would guess in June, one year after the latest upgrade, or whenever Intel decides to release Broadwell.
 
I'm struggling to understand all the discussion around a "12 inch" MacBook Air. It's perhaps because I work with numbers and place too high of an importance on accuracy, but it seems to me that we already have a 12 inch MacBook Air - the smaller one of the 2 currently available is 11.6", which rounds to 12".

An 11.88" MacBook Air would be a mere 7mm larger on the diagonal. A 12.0" MacBook Air only brings this up to 10mm. I would like to see Apple split the difference with a 12.4 - 12.5 inch screen, ideally in the same form factor as the current 11.6", just with a hugely reduced bezel. I'm surprised nobody has called this out before.
 
I'm struggling to understand all the discussion around a "12 inch" MacBook Air. It's perhaps because I work with numbers and place too high of an importance on accuracy, but it seems to me that we already have a 12 inch MacBook Air - the smaller one of the 2 currently available is 11.6", which rounds to 12".

An 11.88" MacBook Air would be a mere 7mm larger on the diagonal. A 12.0" MacBook Air only brings this up to 10mm. I would like to see Apple split the difference with a 12.4 - 12.5 inch screen, ideally in the same form factor as the current 11.6", just with a hugely reduced bezel. I'm surprised nobody has called this out before.

A 12-inch MacBook Air does not necessarily mean 11.88-inch.

The factual evidence that pointed to a 12-inch MacBook Air never mentioned it would in fact have 11.88-inch. If you take a look at the rumors coming from the supply chain (which is a real source of information), you'll see that a 12-inch display with a 2304x1440 resolution is probably in the works. You can find such rumors here: https://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/0...n-on-apples-display-plans-for-future-devices/

Later, an analyst wrote something in his blog arguing that an 11.88 MacBook Air with a 2732x1536 resolution would make sense. This analysis is not based on facts or rumors; it's just a product of the imagination of this analyst, and it is not related to the rumors coming from the supply chain. You can find these rumors here: https://www.macrumors.com/2014/01/25/12-inch-retina-macbook-air/

So, we're talking about two different possibilities here. One comes from the supply chain, and has a good chance to contain some truth. The second is just a dream from an analyst and, unless he has some undisclosed access to Apple's labs, or some very powerful crystal ball, then the chances of it becoming reality are very remote.

As you work with numbers, you'll find many differences between these two possible displays. First, and more obvious, the 11.88-inch display has a much higher resolution, and a much higher pixel density, than the 12-inch. But the 11.88-inch display has a 16:9 aspect ratio (similar to the current 11-inch MacBook Air), while the 12-inch display has a 16:10 aspect ratio (similar to the current 13-inch MacBook Air and all the MacBook Pros). This is a very important difference.

The dimensions of the display of the current 11.6-inch MacBook Air are as follows:

Width: 10.11-inch
Height: 5.68-inch

The 13.3-inch MacBook Air and Pro both have the following dimensions:

Width: 11.27-inch
Height: 7.05-inch

The 15.4-inch MacBook Pro has the following dimensions:

Width: 13.06-inch
Height: 8.16-inch

The 15.4-inch Pro is significantly larger than the 13.3-inch Air and Pro. However, you can notice that, due to the aspect ratio, the difference between the height of the screen in the 11.6-inch Air and the 13.3-inch models (1.37-inch) is even higher than the difference between the height in the 13.3-inch models and the 15.4-inch Pro (1.11-inch). That makes the 11.6-inch Air wide and short.

Look now at the dimensions of the proposed new models. An 11.88-inch MacBook Air with a 16:9 aspect ratio would have the following dimensions:

Width: 10.35-inch
Height: 5.82-inch

These dimensions are similar to the ones found in the 11.6-inch MacBook Air, just a little larger. But now look at a 12-inch Air with a 16:10 aspect ratio:

Width: 10.17-inch
Height: 6.36-inch

The width is basically the same of the 11.6-inch Air (just a little wider), but the height is significantly higher. That would allow for a MacBook Air with very similar dimensions to the current 11.6-inch, but with a taller screen, which could result in gains in productivity. In addition, it would allow for a trackpad with dimensions similar to the ones found in the other models (the current 11.6-inch Air has a reduced trackpad due to the shorter screen).

We should also remember that the 12-inch display is not necessarily 12-inch; it could be something like 12.1-inch or 12.2-inch, or even 12.5-inch or something. While these differences seem to be small, they may end up being significant as it would result in increases in both height and width.

As you work with numbers, you'll figure this out easily. The screen ratio makes all the difference here.
 
But what could you do with a new ARM MBA? Seriously?

You could only run current iOS apps that could quickly recompiled for a MBA. There is no way you could emulate x86 code fast enough that you'ld be happy with (at least not for me). That cuts out a lot of functionality in my book.

When Apple switched to x86/Intel they gained (through BootCamp) the ability to get Windows users to buy Macs. If they go ARM in the MBA that compatibility is gone.

I do not think Intel is done at the low end of MBAs. They are putting all of their resources into making their mobile processors use less power. ARM can't yet touch their performance and when they can, Intel will probably be at ARM's power level.

I just can't see that many people buying an ARM crippled MBA. Those people would be better off buying an iPad Air and a very light 'tag-along' keyboard.

Would anyone really pay $700 for a MBA that only runs ARM? I don't see that happening now.

I totally agree.

I see no use in putting an ARM-based processor inside a MacBook Air.

I bought an iPad in 2012, after the 3rd-gen retina was released. I bought it reluctantly, since I thought from the beginning the use of the device would be very limited. And, as a matter of fact, I rarely use my iPad. It may be convenient to use in the bed or while sitting at the sofa, but after a few minutes I just get up and go to my Mac, as I feel the iPad is seriously limited.

iOS is good for the iPhone. It works well on the iPhone because it is simple and can be used on the go. I don't really need a file system or true multi-tasking on my iPhone. It would just complicate things, as I need quick access to information while I am driving my car or looking at my e-mails during lunch. The simplicity of iOS is good for that. Of course I miss more complex features when I only have my iPhone with me, and that's why I think improving it could be great.

But for the iPad, iOS is very limited. No multi-tasking. No file system. No ports. Nothing. Just the very limited apps that I can buy at the App Store. It's nice for playing simple, touch-based games. But it's not good for serious productivity. And then people will say, "oh, the iPad is great for me, because I use it for work and it's just wonderful". Well, it may work for some people, but not for everyone. If you use award-winning software, for very complicated things, and need a lot of processing power and features, then the iPad is just a kid's toy. If you need office productivity (and lots of people need it), with all the bells and whistles (which some people call "bloat" just because they never felt the lack of it), then the iPad is a very limited tool.

Yes, the iPad may be good for consumption, if you understand that "consumption" is a guy with no interest nor knowledge in computers browsing the web, reading news, reading e-mails and barely doing anything else. Yes, for those people the iPad may be just great, because it "just works".

If Apple puts iOS inside a MacBook Air, it will be a disaster, as it will become just an iPad with a keyboard and, thus, losing a lot of functionality.

If Apple runs OS X in an ARM-based MacBook Air, it won't work either. As you mentioned, ARM processors are nowhere near the performance of Intel processors. And to simplify OS X to the point that it runs fast on an ARM processor will result in cutting its features so it will end up becoming a sibiling to iOS. Or does anybody want an OS X RT?

By the way, an ARM-based MacBook Air won't run Windows. At least not real Windows. It may run the joke that is Windows RT. But who wants it?
 
They should keep the same, or similar dimensions of the 11" MBA but decrease the bezel significantly. I haven't measured anything, but if you significantly reduced the bezel you could fit almost a 13" in there
 
A 12-inch MacBook Air does not necessarily mean 11.88-inch.

As you work with numbers, you'll figure this out easily. The screen ratio makes all the difference here.

So do you think this "12in" MBA possibility might almost replace the current 13in MBA, with some creative work done on the screen bevel etc ? That would interest me as the current 11in is too small but the current 13in is ideal.
 
So do you think this "12in" MBA possibility might almost replace the current 13in MBA, with some creative work done on the screen bevel etc ? That would interest me as the current 11in is too small but the current 13in is ideal.

I think so.

Let's do some math (the dimensions were taken from Apple's website; the screen size was calculated based on the diagonal size and the aspect ratio; and the total bezel size was calculated doing simple math: dimensions minus screen size):

Current 11-inch MacBook Air:

dimensions: 11.8 (W) x 7.56 (H)
screen size: 10.11 (W) x 5.68 (H)
bezel: 1.69 (W) x 1.88 (H)

Current 13-inch MacBook Air:

dimensions: 12.8 (W) x 8.94 (H)
screen size: 11.27 (W) x 7.05 (H)
bezel: 1.53 (W) x 1.89 (H)

13-inch MacBook Pro (non-retina)

dimensions: 12.78 (W) x 8.94 (H)
screen size: 11.27 (W) x 7.05 (H)
bezel: 1.51 (W) x 1.89 (H)

15-inch MacBook Pro (non-retina)

dimensions: 14.35 (W) x 9.82 (H)
screen size: 13.06 (W) x 8.16 (H)
bezel: 1.29 (W) x 1.66 (H)

13-inch retina MacBook Pro:

dimensions: 12.35 (W) x 8.62 (H)
screen size: 11.27 (W) x 7.05 (H)
bezel: 1.08 (W) x 1.57 (H)

15-inch retina MacBook Pro:

dimensions: 14.13 (W) x 9.73 (H)
screen size: 13.06 (W) x 8.16 (H)
bezel: 1.07 (W) x 1.57 (H)

If you look above, you'll see something interesting. The bezel size of the 13-inch MacBook Air and the 13-inch MacBook Pro (non-retina) is very similar. The non-retina 15-inch MacBook Pro had a smaller bezel, although somewhat smaller. Perhaps the larger bezel of the 13-inch models was due to the need to accomodate internals.

The 11-inch MacBook Air has a larger bezel than the 13-inch Air (and non-retina Pro). As the screen is smaller, the bezel looks even larger. In height, the bezel is nearly the same. But in width, the bezel is significantly larger, probably to accomodate the full-sized keyboard. You can also notice that the 11-inch MacBook Air is larger than the screen of the 13-inch Air; so, at least in theory, the current form factor of the 11-inch Air could accomodate the 13-inch 16:10 screen of the larger Air. In this case, the bezel would be very reduced and there could be no room for a webcam, for instance.

If you look at the new Pro models, you'll see that Apple managed to reduce the size of the bezel. Both the 13-inch and the 15-inch have a similar bezel, and it is much smaller than the ones in the previous Pro and in the current Air.

So, we should all expect a reduced bezel in the next MacBook Air. By how much?

Let's assume Apple uses a 12-inch display with a 16:10 aspect ratio. In this case, the display would have 10.17 (W) x 6.36 (H). Let's also assume that the full Apple keyboard has 11.02 inches (I couldn't find this measure on the web, so I measured the keyboard of my Mac, and I'm using it for reference). So, the minimum width of any MacBook Air using a full-sized keyboard would be 11.02 inches, regardless of the screen size. Let's give some additional comfort and allow a little more space for the keyboard to be included, and in a way to keep the same bezel size as the current retina Pros (1.07 or 1.08 inches in width). More: let's assume, for this simulation, that the size of the current Pro bezels are the minimum bezel sizes in any Apple laptop, given current technological limitations. Then, if Apple uses the 12-inch display, then the dimensions could be like this:

dimensions: 11.25 (W) x 7.93 (H)
screen size: 10.17 (W) x 6.36 (H)
bezel: 1.08 (W) x 1.57 (H)

So, the new Air could have 11.25 x 7.93 inches, which is narrower but taller than the current 11-inch Air (11.8 x 7.56). Both laptops, however, would occupy the same area (the simulated 12-inch Air has 89.215 square inches, and the current 11-inch Air has 89.208 inches), although one is narrower and taller than the other. However, the screen area of the 12-inch Pro would be 64.68 square inches, roughly 12.5% larger then the 57.42 square inches of the screen of current 11-inch Air.

So, the next Air could have a 12-inch screen and still be basically the same size as the current 11-inch Air, only a little narrower and taller.

And what about the weight? Well, that would be a very tough guess. But let’s do some math as well.

The 13-inch Air is 28.28% larger (in area) than the 11-inch Air, and 24.37% heavier. The 15-inch Pro is 29.15% larger (in area) than the 13-inch Pro, and 28.9% heavier. If the 12-inch Air follows the same weight distribution, based on the area, than the current Airs, then it would have basically the same 2.38 lbs of the current 11-inch Air, as they have both a very similar area. But if the ratio weight/area then the new Pros, which better use the dimensions, then it would weigh about 2.9 lbs, which is roughly the same weight of the 13-inch Air. I don’t expect the 12-inch Air to be as bulky as the retina Pros, though.

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They should keep the same, or similar dimensions of the 11" MBA but decrease the bezel significantly. I haven't measured anything, but if you significantly reduced the bezel you could fit almost a 13" in there

Take a look at my latest post.
 
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I don’t expect the 12-inch Air to be as bulky as the retina Pros, though.
So the Haswell 13" rMBP is bulky for you??? :confused:

My wife has the 2012 MBA and the 13" rMBP has actually a smaller footprint, with only a few more ounces of weight. The MBA is lighter, but the 13" rMBP is far more powerfull and as portable.
 
Warming-up for the all-new redesigned 2014 MacBook Air

So the Haswell 13" rMBP is bulky for you??? :confused:



My wife has the 2012 MBA and the 13" rMBP has actually a smaller footprint, with only a few more ounces of weight. The MBA is lighter, but the 13" rMBP is far more powerfull and as portable.


The 13-inch retina MacBook Pro is not bulky at all. But the 13-inch Air is more svelte. Just look at them.

The 13-inch Pro is actually more compact than the 13-inch Air, but it is also thicker and bulkier (although not bulky at all).

I expect the new Air to be thin, very thin and light as well, thanks to the ultra-low voltage processor. I don't expect it to follow the pattern of the 13-inch Pro in that respect.

As I said in my post, if the 12-inch Air follows the 13-inch Pro, it will end up having the same weight of the 13-inch Air. I expect it to have the weight of the 11-inch Air, though. As you mentioned, there is not too much difference in weight from the 13-inch Pro and the Air, so I think Apple will not make the new one too similar to an already existing product.
 
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Yes. It makes sense. I look forward to it this summer (maybe) !

This is an exciting year for me as far as Apple hardware purchases go:

1) I'm greatly looking forward to a buying a larger screen iPhone 6.

2) I'm expecting to purchase the new retina 12" MBA. I sure hope it is even lighter and thinner than the current 11" MBA. That would be awesome (unless it uses am ARM processor)!
 
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If you use award-winning software, for very complicated things, and need a lot of processing power and features, then the iPad is just a kid's toy. If you need office productivity (and lots of people need it), with all the bells and whistles (which some people call "bloat" just because they never felt the lack of it), then the iPad is a very limited tool.

Yes, the iPad may be good for consumption, if you understand that "consumption" is a guy with no interest nor knowledge in computers browsing the web, reading news, reading e-mails and barely doing anything else. Yes, for those people the iPad may be just great, because it "just works".

If Apple puts iOS inside a MacBook Air, it will be a disaster, as it will become just an iPad with a keyboard and, thus, losing a lot of functionality.

If Apple runs OS X in an ARM-based MacBook Air, it won't work either. As you mentioned, ARM processors are nowhere near the performance of Intel processors. And to simplify OS X to the point that it runs fast on an ARM processor will result in cutting its features so it will end up becoming a sibiling to iOS. Or does anybody want an OS X RT?

By the way, an ARM-based MacBook Air won't run Windows. At least not real Windows. It may run the joke that is Windows RT. But who wants it?

skaertus, I'm with you on having the most power possible in an ~12" form factor. I love my 11" i7, but I don't see Apple continuing to push the envelope of the Air line.

Looking at it from the Mac side, the Air is almost too good. Its Geekbench scores are very close to the 13" Pro, has better battery life, is more portable and is cheaper. If a retina screen is added to the Air, why go for a 13" Pro?

Your comment about award winning software above - if I'm Apple, that clearly defines a pro user to me. I'd want that customer to be using a pro notebook and not one of my consumer notebooks.

From the iOS side, we see the iPad selling multiple times over the notebook line since its inception and that has increased every year. For the FY 2013 Apple sold roughly 12 million notebooks (they stopped breaking out the Mac number in the latest 10-Q, assuming the split is the same as previous years). Assuming the Air line is 65% of their notebook sales that equals 7.8 million units. The iPad sold 71 million units in the same time period, or roughly 9 to 1. Considering how much less expensive the SOC is in the iPad, its their own design and can be made in their own chip fab its hard to see them not wanting to push that even more.

If the iPad doubles performance in the next generation (as it has in pretty much every generation) it could be scoring roughly 5,000 points on Geekbench, vs the current Air i7 at 6,145 (64 bit). That's a small margin when comparing an $18 processor to the $454 4650U.

IMO, iOS isn't quite there yet for an everyday productivity machine. But, what if iOS 8 adds mouse support and improves on multitasking? 128GB is already available, iWork is free on every iOS device, what more is needed for word processing/email/browsing?

I don't quite think Apple will change the Air over exclusively to ARM yet but I'm going to take a wild guess at 2 possible scenarios.

Scenario 1:
The Air comes out in a 12" ultra thin, fanless form factor using Haswell/Broadwell Y series processors. This holds back the performance of the Air and the gap from the Air to the Pro widens greatly.

Shortly after, the iPad pro comes out in 12" with improved kb/mouse and multitasking support.

The portable line of Apple products is grouped into the Steve Jobs 4 quadrant grid as follows:

Code:
+----------+-------------+--------------+
|          |  Consumer   | Professional |
+----------+-------------+--------------+
| Notebook | Macbook Air | Macbook Pro  |
+----------+-------------+--------------+
| Tablet   | iPad        | iPad Pro     |
+----------+-------------+--------------+

Scenario 2:

The Air gets no update and tags along as is, like the cMBP, and is phased out in a year or two.

iPad Pro takes the update cycle from the Air, 12" form factor with kb/mouse and multitasking improvements.

Apple's new computing lineup is as follows:
Code:
+----------+----------+----------+--------------+
|          |  Entry   |   Mid    | Professional |
+----------+----------+----------+--------------+
| Desktop  | Mac Mini | iMac     | Mac Pro      |
+----------+----------+----------+--------------+
| Portable | iPad     | iPad Pro | Macbook Pro  |
+----------+----------+----------+--------------+
 
So it seems like the latest rumors are indeed pointing towards a retina 12-inch MacBook Air after all...
 
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