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I live in a major metro area. The closest Redbox is a 1.7 miles roundtrip from my house. The cost of starting the car on a cold night and driving in city traffic in a Jeep Grand Cherokee or similar mid-size vehicle is at LEAST a dollar in terms of wear and tear, gas and time.

I would gladly pay $4 for the convenience and lessoned environmental / vehicle impact.

In other words, if not forced to leave the comfy confines of your home to rent a movie, you are a complete shut-in?

Yeah, I suppose that for you at-home delivery is the only reasonable option.

The idea of Redbox is that you are going places on a daily basis anyway, so the incremental cost is [walk from checkout at your local grocery store to the Redbox terminal], which is substantially less than [start car, drive to video store, walk around video store to locate appetizing entertainment, stand in line, start car again, drive home]. Since you can rent from one redbox and return at another, so long as you are venturing out into the big scary world on a semi-daily basis you're pretty much always at $0 additional cost to use their service. Even if you're not going to a McDonalds, Wal-Mart, Raleys, SaveMart, FoodMaxx, etc: you're likely already at least driving past one, if not already stopping at a store in the same parking lot, at least once a day.

Edit: the above having been said, Redbox's selection is atrocious. At least you can see how bad it is and make your decisions before standing in front of the machine at the store, but physical delivery and every-corner-store convenience and outstanding selection are somewhat akin to on-time, on-budget, and fully-featured: you can pick any two.
 
This doesnt make sense on so many levels. There's already a great solution for watching movies immediately without leaving your home. Its called On Demand and most cable companies carry it. It costs slightly less or the same and its for 24 hours once you start it and its higher quality.

What in the world about this announcement provides people with an incentive to switch from using On Demand to going out and purchasing an Apple TV and getting less quality for the same price from iTunes and waiting for it to download before you watch it.

Jobs has to know that this is going to fail. This has to got to be a trial run so there will be more bargaining leverage with the studios.
 
Interesting question, actually. I think the only way to do it cheap and relatively efficiently would be a DVI/HDMI input on a TV card/device ... I don't figure we're likely to see those on Elgato offerings any time soon.

Cheaper and eassier to read the data out of video VRAM as the movie plays on the computer.

So the user would play the movie using iTunes which knows how to read through the DRM but iTunes is at some point going to have to send the data to the video card. Some process running on the mac could read the data back from the video card and write it to disk.
 
When I first read this I thought that it was a bit expensive. But then I thought about it and realized it isn't too bad.
When I want to watch a movie, I go get one and come home and watch it. The whole experience of doing that is probably about 3 hours (give or take).
If I wanted to watch it again, I could do that 8 more times.
But who really needs to do that??
I really like this convenience. I have VOD but don't like that they don't have releases timed with when the new movies come out. It usually takes a few weeks before it's on there.
If Apple gets new releases the day they come out then it'd be flippin awesome!

As for quality, I could give or take really. I don't want to by an HD movie when I haven't seen the film yet. Who knows, I may not like the film. Why would I want to buy it in HD before I see it?

I'm not a big fan on monthly agreements for places like Netflix. For me, it makes me feel pressured and feel like I HAVE to watch something. I like just randomly deciding on a whim that I want to rent a movie.
I have a Blockbuster somewhat close to me. I have the problem that lots of other people have. Going there and them not having the movie you want. I also don't have a car, so I'd have to walk there. This is the coldest month of winter........I don't want to walk through the snow or through the freezing wind just to pick up a film.
I can stand to wait to download the movie. While I wait for it to download, just make some food or drinks and get everything ready to watch the film.
If you don't want to watch on your computer monitor and have an HD Tv....plug your computer into the VGA port on your TV. Just make it another monitor.
That's what I have set up right now. :) It works beautifully for all the TV shows I've downloaded from iTunes.

Plus, we don't know what the upgrades are to the new iTunes. It probably won't be much, but we still don't know.

This is still the first round of this new service. I think alot will change with it as time goes on. I don't think they'll get rid of it. It's a great idea!

Just have to wait and see.
 
iPod to TV via cable. I've been doing this for months, and it works great.

Finally! Someone else that does this. I've was thinking I was the only one or something.

This is why I'm excited about this. Don't have a video store nearby, don't do VOD and whenever I do get the inkling to watch a flick, it's always a spontaneous thing. With kids, you just rarely find the time. So, I'm all over this!
 
I'll stick with Netflix. It just seems to be a better deal. 15 bucks a month, 2 at a time and however many I can manage to get a month (so if I get 4 movies a month, which I do, I've already come out ahead compared to this).

Plus, I get 5.1 on DVDs (well, most of them), and once I eventually get an HDTV and a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player, I'll get hi-def movies as well. I don't think the iTunes rentals will ever be able to provide full 1080p hi-def. The 1080p movie trailers on iTunes are around 200 megabits for a couple minutes of video. Now imagine how big a 2 hour movie would be, it simply isn't practical. Why spend the money on an HDTV and watch low-def videos on it?

This iTunes thing seems very similar to the VOD I get through Charter.....which I never use for the exact same reasons. Too expensive and too restricted. It might be a little better if it were a 3 day rental, which is something more along the lines of what you'd get from a brick and mortar store
 
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Sorry naysayers, but:
- the pricing is competitive with cable + satellite on-demand pricing
- Apple can only offer what the studios will negotiate with them
- Movies are harder to rip than CDs for the average user, and the DVD business isn't sharply declining like CD business was when iTunes took-off
- we don't have all of the details just yet
- broadband speeds are continuing to grow
- Apple is sure to make it all pretty seemless, so hopefully no harder than ordering on-demand via cable or satellite

In summary, we'll see for sure next week and all will see how it goes from there.
 
Forgive me if this has been covered - but how does this translate to iPods and iPhones? So i 'rent' a flick, want to take it on a trip, and the wifey wants to watch it while i'm away ... how would that work?

I have doubts about the 24 hr deal .... there will be flexibility to match all their hardware and user needs, otherwise - this will fail, and it is not in line with their Core Business values (content sells hardware).
 
...appears to be the exact same thing as Amazon's Unbox:

"When you choose to rent an Amazon Unbox video, your access to view the file is limited by the rental license agreement in our Unbox Video: Terms of Use. After you rent and download an Amazon Unbox Video to a compatible computer or TiVo DVR, you will have a limited period of time in which to begin viewing it. That period is 30 days unless otherwise specified on the product detail page for the Unbox Video rental. After you begin playing an Amazon Unbox Video, you will have 24 hours to complete viewing it. After these expiration times, the Amazon Unbox Video will automatically be deleted from your computer or TiVo DVR. Rented Unbox videos are not available for re-download from Your Media Library."

What is the difference between renting and purchasing Unbox videos?

Amazon's pricing is generally $3.99 per movie (some are $2.99).

So, it's no surprise that Apple is following this approach.

:cool:

--DotComCTO

Ah, yes. And Unbox is setting the market on fire, too!
 
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Besides this is not competition were talking about. This is Steve Jobs' war on piracy. Billions of $ are lost to pirate films. Apple's direction is to boost their media dominance by reshaping the media field to their advantage. They did it with music and had wild success. Perhaps they will repeat the reversal on piracy with new movie rental and purchasing options.
"Online Movie Pirates"

There's been a reversal on piracy? I'm not aware of it if there has been, but maybe a source would convince me.

Let's have a hypothetical situation. A massive number of people believe that the price asked for a product through legitimate avenues is unreasonable. The product is available elsewhere for free, with a statistically negligible chance of having to pay a fine amounting to a couple grand to settle the case (ie, the cost of about 150-200 movies or CDs). A large number of people, therefore, decide to go with the lowest cost method of acquiring the product, despite its warts.

Let's add a hypothetical modification. A company provides another way of getting that product. However, it doesn't offer many cost advantages over the legitimate avenues mentioned above, and actually has some noticeable quality issues. The product can still be found in roughly equivalent quality (and often in better quality) for free.

What countereconomics says is that the pirates will (statistically) continue to pirate. People who stuck to legitimate means of acquisition will be most of the adopters of the new technology, in this case iTunes.

In order to provide sufficient value to lure pirates away from piracy, iTunes must continue doing what it has been doing -- adding value, by removing DRM, increasing bitrate, and so forth, until it is functionally equivalent to the primary legitimate avenue but lower its price sufficiently that it seems fair. At that point, pirates will cease to pirate. Not many people enjoy pirating, I should mention -- the files are of unknown quality and sometimes don't work right because of any of a dozen different conflicts, they are usually tagged poorly and of uncertain lineage, and the ability to acquire a given product in suitable quality is often iffy.

The problem is that most pirates do not perceive the stated prices as fair. The companies, however, are unwilling to lose revenue by lowering prices or allowing operations like iTunes to lower prices. Thus it will continue -- companies losing billions, and people having crappy media libraries -- because the prices are perceived as being unsuitable.

You can argue piracy is unethical, and I won't really argue that. I will, however, state that it's a fact of life and a fact of modern business. Statistically: Few pirates will pay $10 for a sub-DVD quality download if he wouldn't pay $5-10 for the real thing used on Amazon. Few pirates will pay $1 for a DRM'ed 128K song when they can download the whole album in FLAC for free. And I seriously doubt any pirates will pay $4 to rent a film for 24 hours. To own it, legitimately, and in high quality, maybe. But not to rent it. Except, of course, out of curiosity.

iTunes is caught between a rock and a hard place. The rock being the studios' iron-hard price demands, and the hard place being their relatively tech-savvy users -- the people who are most likely to rent or buy music or movies online, and, statistically, the people most likely to pirate. As more people mature and become tech-savvy, iTunes' marketshare will grow, as it has now for a few years. But a large number of people are pirating and will continue to pirate unless an immense compromise in price and quality is made.

If anyone has a solution, I'm sure sjobs@apple.com would love to hear it.

/Jesus, that went off-topic
 
fingers crossed that this is a fly for Canada too.

it would be neat to dload and watch a movie without having to drive anywhere occasionally.

saves on gas and time.

hope the quality of the encodes is solid and not too small.
interesting.
can't wait.
 
Wait, wait a sec. You're suggesting using an iPod to watch iTunes Rentals on your home theater in lieu of AppleTV??? That'll be great, why didn't I think of that? After iTunes finishes compressing the movie down to fit the iPod screen and then your iPod outputs it at 480i or 480p with stereo audio!!! Totally worth it. :rolleyes:

From Apple's site: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MB128LL/A


"Note: Component video output to television is supported by iPod nano (third generation) and iPod classic at 480p or 576p resolution, and by iPod touch and iPhone at 480i or 576i resolution."

Itunes does not reduce the quality of video when copying to the iPod or iPhone. The devices merely scale the content down on the fly, no transcoding is done as it would take forever to transfer movie files over. The output from the new iPods looks great as I have tested it with the component cable.

However, an iPod/iPhone with video out is hardly a replacement for the apple tv.
 
It's a first step i guess, $4 for old movies is way to high. Apple didn't get a good deal for us unless its HD. I can get top quality rentals over the cable at €4 (=$4 in the US) but its not a big success at all despite being available for years. DVD rentals are €3 and most older movies cost about €5 to €10.
 
iPhone Coverage

I know this might be a bit off topic but
in teh first post it says there will be iPhone coverage of the event?

what will this entail?

Thanks
 
Many don't have to wait...

FYI to all who don't know:

Currently on iTunes you can start watching a movie or TV show *while* it is downloading. If you have a pretty decent internet connection, the movie downloads faster than it plays back. So for those people, there is no long wait before watching the movie.

Basically, with a fast internet connection, this is equivalent to a typical video-on-demand plan in terms of price and terms.

If the selection is better than VOD, it's an interesting proposition to me.
 
I love apple, but this is doomed to fail, unless you have an apple tv. I have an XBOX 360, a PS3, Blockbuster Online, and Time Warner on Demand HD Service. Let's look at this.

I can download HD movies from Xbox Live for the same price as a standard resolution movie from apple? They are a little slow at releasing contect but are improving.

I can order blueray and HD DVD movies from Blockbuster ONline or go into the store and pick one of for free? It takes 1 day to get to my house plus I can go into the store for that got to have movie.

I can order ondemand through Time Warner for the Same Price as Apple in just as real time? They worked deals with the movie companies too and now they are available on demand the same time as they are released on DVD

I can purchase movies via my PS3. Haven't tried yet so I won;t comment.

Why would I use apple? Unless I had an Apple TV? And as I said before, I have and HD display, why I go back to 480p outputing from my Ipod when I can watch a movie in all it's 1080p glory?
 
In Norway the rental prices are at 16 to 20$ that is expensive, but 4dollars my God stop your damn whining....

Well, in that case I'm glad I live in Germany! Here you can get most movies for $16 to $20. Heck, the *bad* movies usually start at $4 here... Sorry, but I'll pass on this. In my opinion, just waaaay to expensive.
 
This will be hugh!

I mentioned it to several of my clients and they all think the $4 price tag is fantastic. Several of them have commented that it may be enough to have them discontinue their netflix service.

Not to be mean but your friends might be stupid...

Netflix has a 4.99 a month plan UNLIMTED RENTALS keep for as long as you want. You do not have to leave your house. Can GET BLU-RAY, or DVD releases and Have an instant return policy for shipping.

SO now Im to pay 3.99 for a digital download (thats not 1080p) watch it within 24 hours and than rent 5 more making my rental fee's be about 15-20.00 a Month for a far less superior technology all for the connivence of instant gratification? I know where they got the price point from Comcast and other TV providers are asking for 3.99-4.99 per rental with 24 hours, but were not looking for another version of them. We expected Apple to deliver and GROW the market of movies on Itunes.

This will not grow the install base in my opinion..

Plus Now I need another set top box to watch them, lets see Cable Box, DVD, Apple TV, and TV my entertainment center is going to look a horrible mess... Well your's not mine :) Im keeping Netflix..
 
The sole market? Nah. What about if you want a title that iTunes has but none of your local stores have in stock?

Hmm. Well, if iTunes indeed has a great catalogue of movies available for rental, then that will make sense. However, right now, looking at the ITMS movies section is about as depressing as looking at the handful of titles available via Redbox.

I don't think it's likely that iTunes will have an enormous collection of movies available day one. The movie industry is convinced that Apple wants to make the studios obsolete, and so is unlikely to be more open to Apple's endeavors than, say, Amazon's. They also believe that they could realistically get just as much money from Apple rentals as the brick-and-mortar rental stores get, but without the overhead of stock and warehousing and such.

So, looking at things again, I suppose much of my doom-saying rests on the supposition that Apple will not have enthusiastic industry support, huge back-catalog access, and day/date DVD release availability of "hot" movies.

Because the selection has the potential to be better, and you can't get VOD if you don't have cable. And while it does require another device to watch on a TV, that device can be an iPod. Apple sold a few of those, didn't they?

You can get VOD or PayPerView with pretty much any subscription television service (ie, cable or satellite). You are correct that you need one of these two to get VOD, but that condition excludes, what, 0.5% of the population? Less?

As for an iPod: I'll go out on a limb here and say that approximately no one in their right mind would see an iPod hooked up to their TV as a route to convenient online video delivery. No streaming (so you do have to wait for the whole thing to download before watching), compression artifacts, poor control scheme, etc.

The way I see it, why should I spend $$$ every month on cable when I can get a rental from iTunes for $4? Just playing devil's advocate. And as for aTV, see the iPod mention above...

Primarily, people spend $$$ every month on cable or satellite so that they can watch television series when they are aired. Aside from BitTorrent, there's not much of an alternative way to satisfy that "need". Again, that's the vast, vast, vast majority of the population.

If you take the portion of the population for whom in-house delivery is a benefit, and multiply that by the fraction of people who don't already have a relatively free access to on-demand video through their television provider, I think your market is vanishingly small.

As you said above, if Apple can compete with VOD et al on selection, that might be an angle to work. But you've got to work it pretty hard to make $300 up-front equipment cost make sense.

Remember when satellite TV was new? You could get three times as many channels as cable, for half the monthly cost, so long as you paid $500 up front for equipment and installation. It didn't do very well at market penetration, not really even becoming a viable competitor to cable until the satellite providers started underwriting the equipment and installation costs (by increasing the per-month subscription fees). Perceived up-front cost is a killer.
 
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