I agree its misleading on purpose and they should be ashamed of themselves for playing games like that. Its just an uncool move by them. Alot of people are going to think it does 5x zoom when it doesn’t.
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iPhone 12 Pro WARNING before you buy: Apple is trying to hide a huge iPhone 12 camera flaw
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The average shopper is a dumb animal and when they see the number 5 they foolishly assume it’s a 5 and not some other number like 2, or 20 or 2.5.
The enlightened shopper (aka Apple fanboy), knows better.
The enlightened shopper (aka Apple fanboy), knows better.
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iPhones are for people who are intelligent and understand what range means.
Your title is also Misleading. You are talking about 12 Pro Max? But the title says 12? There is no HUGE iphone 12 camera flaw.
FIX THE TITLE AND STOP SCAMMING!!
Poorly educated people could. And you’re encouraging that misconception with your click-bait video.
Bad YouTuber, no biscuit.
The fact that you haven’t heard of something doesn’t make it obscure. It’s a standard term in compact camera and smartphone marketing.
This doesn't even crack my Top 100 on the list of things I'm worried about in 2020...
It's about equally as misleading as this post title...
The vast majority of people won’t be studying the specs in detail and will buy a phone based on price and aesthetics. Anybody looking into this aspect in any detail will be able to read what the camera offers.
Widest optical length is 13mm. Longest optical length is 65mm. 65 is five times bigger than 13. Are you trying to say 13mm doesn't count for some arbitrary reason? I agree the way they're measuring it is dumb and should be a thing of the point-and-shoot industry past, but why does it have to measure from the middle length? If the default camera app opened to the 13mm first would it then be okay?
I also think it's on you if you spend $1400 on something you don't fully understand when it's a two minute google search away, and will be even more evident by reading just one of the hundreds of reviews that will be out in the next couple of weeks.
I also think it's on you if you spend $1400 on something you don't fully understand when it's a two minute google search away, and will be even more evident by reading just one of the hundreds of reviews that will be out in the next couple of weeks.
That is exactly the point the OP is making.
Putting “5x optical zoom range” fools the average joe while also protects Apple from a lawsuit because Zoom range describes from the wide angle.
I don’t know who to feel more sorry for: you for your loud proclamation that you don’t know how to comprehend the word “range,” or myself for the time I wasted reading such nonsense.
Would you expect Nikon or Canon to advertise the zoom range for instance for their 24-70mm based on only the 50mm to 70mm range? Rofl
Because that's basically what you are arguing
Because that's basically what you are arguing
I suppose if they are saying ‘5X optical zoom range’ then that’s claiming it can zoom five times in using an optical lens mechanism. If that terminology actually means ‘in and out’, then that is misleading. Camera lenses are specified by their optional zooming capabilities in the photography industry, but don’t specify the reverse zoom to double the figure.
My iPhone 8+ has a 2X optical zoom, so could they now claim that’s 4X because they are counting the reverse zoom? I doubt the average joe will notice it question this though.
My iPhone 8+ has a 2X optical zoom, so could they now claim that’s 4X because they are counting the reverse zoom? I doubt the average joe will notice it question this though.
Cool story man - Just don’t buy it then?
I think sensational topics and clickbait titles work better on YouTube than on Macrumors...
I think sensational topics and clickbait titles work better on YouTube than on Macrumors...
I'm in my 80s .. an old guy .. I'm interested in the iPhone 12 so I've been researching it. At no time was I led to believe that I could zoom out by 5X. I understood the +/- 2.5X or 5X zoom range. What did you conspiracy folks think was meant by that 2.5X that kept showing up as you read up on these iPhones? Anyone, including ***** **** who actually believed after doing their research, that any of these cameras had this '5X zoom flaw' just aren't being very careful in their research.
edit .. Sorry for being so critical. Years ago, before retiring, when money was easier to come by, and I had less time for research like this, chances are I'd have gotten caught up in this issue too. Please forgive an old man and his grumpy old ways of being.
edit .. Sorry for being so critical. Years ago, before retiring, when money was easier to come by, and I had less time for research like this, chances are I'd have gotten caught up in this issue too. Please forgive an old man and his grumpy old ways of being.
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This thread and that video are significantly more misleading than “5x zoom range”. Typical YouTubers going for pure click bait over anything substantial.
I guess it depends what you think "x" means too... i.e. the widest the phone's camera will go, or compared to a standard 50mm focal length equivalent perspective (i.e. same field of view you would have got with a 35mm film camera at 50mm focal length, albeit in this complex world of smaller varied sensor sizes).
Maybe we should have a look at a comparison and facts... Having read this compared to main competitor Samsung, then in my view Apple are being, if anything, more transparent than Samsung at least quoting "optical zoom range" and the relative zoom of each lens rather than just Samsung's "optical zoom" and also "hybrid optical zoom" to get to 10x i.e. not purely optical.
Apple 12 Pro Max
Apple marketing: "5x optical zoom range"
(source https://www.apple.com/uk/iphone-12-pro/specs/)
Manufacturer camera specs:
- Ultra Wide: ƒ/2.4 aperture and 120° field of view
- Wide: ƒ/1.6 aperture
- Telephoto: ƒ/2.2 aperture (iPhone 12 Pro Max)
- 2.5x optical zoom in, 2x optical zoom out; 5x optical zoom range (iPhone 12 Pro Max)
- Digital zoom up to 12x (iPhone 12 Pro Max)
(source as above)
Review source (off spec):
- 12 Megapixels, 26mm (wide), 1.7µm, dual pixel PDAF, OIS, f/1.6 aperture
- 12 Mega pixels, 65mm (telephoto), 1/3.4"، 1.4µm ، PDAF، OIS, 1.0µm, PDAF, OIS, 2.5x optical zoom, f/2.2
- 12 Megapixels, 120˚, 13mm (very wide), f/2.4 aperture
(source https://specs-tech.com/en/apple-iphone-12-pro-max/)
Samsung S20 Ultra
Samsing marketing: "10x hybrid optic zoom"
(source https://www.samsung.com/uk/smartphones/galaxy-s20/specs/)
Manufacturer camera specs:
- Rear Camera - Resolution (Multiple) 108.0 MP + 12.0 MP + 48.0 MP
- Rear Camera - F Number (Multiple) F1.8 , F2.2 , F3.5
(source https://www.samsung.com/uk/smartphones/galaxy-s20/specs/)
Review source:
- Main camera: 25mm equivalent, f/1.8, 108MP
- Super-wide camera: 13mm equivalent, f/2.2, 12MP
- Telephoto camera: 103mm equivalent, f/2.2, 48MP
(source https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/reviews/reviews/samsung-s20-ultra-camera-review)
"At lower levels of zoom, Samsung is relying on a “folded” 4x telephoto lens behind the hole in the back of the phone, which it’s combining with a 48-megapixel sensor. Then, between 4x and 10x zoom, the phone offers what Samsung is calling a “lossless hybrid optic” zoom, which relies on a combination of sensor cropping and binning where multiple pixels are combined into one big pixel. The use of the word “lossless” implies that Samsung doesn’t think you’ll see any loss of quality up to 10x zoom. Then, between 10x and 100x zoom, the phone is using similar methods, but it’s a digital zoom that will inevitably mean less detail as the zoom increases."
(source: https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/11/...m-100x-space-optical-hybrid-digital-periscope)
Maybe we should have a look at a comparison and facts... Having read this compared to main competitor Samsung, then in my view Apple are being, if anything, more transparent than Samsung at least quoting "optical zoom range" and the relative zoom of each lens rather than just Samsung's "optical zoom" and also "hybrid optical zoom" to get to 10x i.e. not purely optical.
Apple 12 Pro Max
Apple marketing: "5x optical zoom range"
(source https://www.apple.com/uk/iphone-12-pro/specs/)
Manufacturer camera specs:
- Ultra Wide: ƒ/2.4 aperture and 120° field of view
- Wide: ƒ/1.6 aperture
- Telephoto: ƒ/2.2 aperture (iPhone 12 Pro Max)
- 2.5x optical zoom in, 2x optical zoom out; 5x optical zoom range (iPhone 12 Pro Max)
- Digital zoom up to 12x (iPhone 12 Pro Max)
(source as above)
Review source (off spec):
- 12 Megapixels, 26mm (wide), 1.7µm, dual pixel PDAF, OIS, f/1.6 aperture
- 12 Mega pixels, 65mm (telephoto), 1/3.4"، 1.4µm ، PDAF، OIS, 1.0µm, PDAF, OIS, 2.5x optical zoom, f/2.2
- 12 Megapixels, 120˚, 13mm (very wide), f/2.4 aperture
(source https://specs-tech.com/en/apple-iphone-12-pro-max/)
Samsung S20 Ultra
Samsing marketing: "10x hybrid optic zoom"
(source https://www.samsung.com/uk/smartphones/galaxy-s20/specs/)
Manufacturer camera specs:
- Rear Camera - Resolution (Multiple) 108.0 MP + 12.0 MP + 48.0 MP
- Rear Camera - F Number (Multiple) F1.8 , F2.2 , F3.5
(source https://www.samsung.com/uk/smartphones/galaxy-s20/specs/)
Review source:
- Main camera: 25mm equivalent, f/1.8, 108MP
- Super-wide camera: 13mm equivalent, f/2.2, 12MP
- Telephoto camera: 103mm equivalent, f/2.2, 48MP
(source https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/reviews/reviews/samsung-s20-ultra-camera-review)
"At lower levels of zoom, Samsung is relying on a “folded” 4x telephoto lens behind the hole in the back of the phone, which it’s combining with a 48-megapixel sensor. Then, between 4x and 10x zoom, the phone offers what Samsung is calling a “lossless hybrid optic” zoom, which relies on a combination of sensor cropping and binning where multiple pixels are combined into one big pixel. The use of the word “lossless” implies that Samsung doesn’t think you’ll see any loss of quality up to 10x zoom. Then, between 10x and 100x zoom, the phone is using similar methods, but it’s a digital zoom that will inevitably mean less detail as the zoom increases."
(source: https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/11/...m-100x-space-optical-hybrid-digital-periscope)
It is definitely misleading. Especially when you consider all the other competitors on the market don’t say “zoom range”
Nobody zooms in from the ultra wide, 99% of the time you zoom from the normal wide angle which is 2.5x on the new iPhone.
just be honest Apple, you don’t need to do this sneaky stuff. It just makes you look bad
Nobody zooms in from the ultra wide, 99% of the time you zoom from the normal wide angle which is 2.5x on the new iPhone.
just be honest Apple, you don’t need to do this sneaky stuff. It just makes you look bad
While I agree OP may have been extra/clickbait with the title, calling it a "huge flaw", I don't understand why so many people here are defending this move by Apple.
Am I a huge Apple fan that's integrated in their ecosystem? Yes. Will I be upgrading? Yes.
However, I always thought of Apple as a company that can be trusted. If they claim something, we've always had good reason to believe it, because as a whole, Apple seems to understand that customer service and satisfaction is paramount above all.
However, this time, I've actually realised that this is not true. They want to save the environment and not include an adaptor? No problem, but they didn't even outright say that they won't include an adapter.
And for all of you arguing that anyone buying a 1400 dollar phone would do that research, I agree that for anyone who is buying it for the camera and knows the technicalities, it is not hidden. However, it is definitely sneaky that they've chosen this. I myself didn't know this till I read it here, and while I'm not buying the Max for the camera, I definitely feel it was misleading.
It's a shame to see Apple utilising such tactics to sell their products, pandemic or not, which is what I believe OP is trying to say too.
We love their products and the company, but we shouldn't be blind enough to justify every single move of theirs and put down those who are bringing out valid criticism.
I've not posted on here in 5 years, but I've seen this blind fanboyism to such an extent this time, I just wanted to put this out there.
Am I a huge Apple fan that's integrated in their ecosystem? Yes. Will I be upgrading? Yes.
However, I always thought of Apple as a company that can be trusted. If they claim something, we've always had good reason to believe it, because as a whole, Apple seems to understand that customer service and satisfaction is paramount above all.
However, this time, I've actually realised that this is not true. They want to save the environment and not include an adaptor? No problem, but they didn't even outright say that they won't include an adapter.
And for all of you arguing that anyone buying a 1400 dollar phone would do that research, I agree that for anyone who is buying it for the camera and knows the technicalities, it is not hidden. However, it is definitely sneaky that they've chosen this. I myself didn't know this till I read it here, and while I'm not buying the Max for the camera, I definitely feel it was misleading.
It's a shame to see Apple utilising such tactics to sell their products, pandemic or not, which is what I believe OP is trying to say too.
We love their products and the company, but we shouldn't be blind enough to justify every single move of theirs and put down those who are bringing out valid criticism.
I've not posted on here in 5 years, but I've seen this blind fanboyism to such an extent this time, I just wanted to put this out there.