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iPhone 12 Pro WARNING before you buy: Apple is trying to hide a huge iPhone 12 camera flaw
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What “flaw?” LOL this thread is dumb
to the OP: go enjoy your Android phone. May want to look up about the “flaws” in that Samsung phone too. You really think that “100x” zoom is better. 🤣
to the OP: go enjoy your Android phone. May want to look up about the “flaws” in that Samsung phone too. You really think that “100x” zoom is better. 🤣
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Yes, Samsung has far superior zoom then the iPhone 11 Pro Max. My girlfriend has a Samsung phone and it is really nuts how much she can zoom in while still being sharp.
I cannot do that on my iPhone 11 Pro Max.
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That's called marketing, What do you expect them to say? "Don't buy the iPhone 12, Next year's iPhone will have an even better camera and a promotion display"?
Pretty easy actually. List the spec of the lens separately like everyone else.
Marketing is the ridiculous names Apple gives their displays and refresh rates. Marketing would be calling their 2.5x zoom camera the ProZoom or something awful.
What they’re doing is intentional deception and they know it.
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Apple could remove the 12hr clocks from their devices and people would defend them.
It’s more that people accept things as they know the phone does everything they need it to so will accept certain areas of apple’s ways.
Zoom range in that article is still taken to refer to the generally accepted meaning of zoom. They’re not combining the zoom of a telephoto and zoom lens to create 1 spec. Nobody else says that they have a lens that zooms out 2.5x and a separate lens that zooms in 2.5x for a total zoom range of 5x. They have 2 lenses with a 2.5x zoom range.
The 5x zoom and 5x zoom range are clearly two different things. Anyone not knowing that should probably not be taking photos.
People also don’t educate themselves about what they are buying. Their bad.
If the so called “reviewer” didn’t even know this he’s not much of an expert.
As to Apple hiding things during their presentation? Apparently the OP didn’t watch it or saw something else. Unless I was dreaming I clearly understood the explanation of 5x optical range, and I also believe they covered the “no charger included” when going over the smaller packaging. Either way it was well known before hand that the charger was not included. Again, know what you’re buying.
People also don’t educate themselves about what they are buying. Their bad.
If the so called “reviewer” didn’t even know this he’s not much of an expert.
As to Apple hiding things during their presentation? Apparently the OP didn’t watch it or saw something else. Unless I was dreaming I clearly understood the explanation of 5x optical range, and I also believe they covered the “no charger included” when going over the smaller packaging. Either way it was well known before hand that the charger was not included. Again, know what you’re buying.
1) Its clearly not a 'flaw'.
2) There's nothing inaccurate about how Apple has worded or marketed the 4x and 5x optical range.
3) My opinion - I do feel its a bit sneaky how they're suddenly marketing optical range as opposed to optical zoom. Again, not inaccurate, but they're clearly trying to make it look better than what it was.
2) There's nothing inaccurate about how Apple has worded or marketed the 4x and 5x optical range.
3) My opinion - I do feel its a bit sneaky how they're suddenly marketing optical range as opposed to optical zoom. Again, not inaccurate, but they're clearly trying to make it look better than what it was.
That's what the "tech specs" link is for. To find out the detail information.There is no clarification of the 2.5X zoom in vs the 5X zoom on their main page. Someone reading it would incorrectly assume that you can zoom in 5X from the main sensor. It's hardly accidental wording but it is deliberately misleading. I don't expect Apple to be a saint but this is unexpected even from them.
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Isn't that the way it works? I have a lens for my dslr that goes from 40mm to 120mm. Is it 3x zoom or 3x zoom range?
Don't agree with this "blind fanboyism defense" stuff. Because the zoom comes from multiple lenses the used the term zoom range. As long as the zoom is mostly seamless to the end-user it's 5x no matter what.
As far as the adapter, did apple say it wasn't including a headphone jack? Sure there was a bru-haha with the iphone 7, that eventually died down to a low roar, but I guess Phil Schiller wasn't available to tout the courage about being the first of many to remove the chargers and headphones.
I understood the way they positioned the Zoom capabilities the instant I read it. They never tried to hide the zoom in and zoom out capabilities. I'd have a problem if they ONLY said 5x Optical Zoom. They didn't. Don't get upset with Apple just because you can't read.
People shouldn’t start threads with sensationalistic titles if they want the majority of the responders to react to the criticism instead of the poorly chosen title.
I agree that "5X optical zoom range" is misleading, although I can't say whether this was intentional or not.
I think "+/- 2.5X optical zoom" or "optical zoom in 2.5X / zoom out 2.5X" would have been a more transparent way to describe this. The word "range" without providing the range would lead me to think 0 to +5X with how they are presenting it.
That said, the title of this thread is also misleading, ironically.
I think "+/- 2.5X optical zoom" or "optical zoom in 2.5X / zoom out 2.5X" would have been a more transparent way to describe this. The word "range" without providing the range would lead me to think 0 to +5X with how they are presenting it.
That said, the title of this thread is also misleading, ironically.
I agree as well that by phrasing it the way OP did, it's absolutely understandable that people will come to defend that viewpoint.
In a way, it's ironic how the title is misleading too.
No flaws and no miss marketing. You have a ultra wide to a medium telephoto on the iPhone.. that is all, if they want to call it a 5x zoom range, well that is pretty damn accurate. But both a 24-70 and 70-200 have the same 'X' zoom range. Zoom range on a camera is a daft way to dumb things down, but clearly not dumbed down enough for some.
Regarding the zoom, as users on MacRumors, we tend to be aware of a lot more than the average consumer, but we are also a significant minority compared to the total customer base.
An average user wouldn't watch the keynote, they wouldn't know much about the camera specs. At most they'd compare the high level specs with other phones and reach a decision. This is where the 5x would be misleading. It's not a feature that's really going to be a decision maker for anyone, it's just one of those subtleties that influence one's overall decision.
Essentially, for anyone that knows anything about cameras, they would immediately see that Apple was clear by saying "zoom range", but to most of us, it wouldn't mean that, but the onus is on Apple to be clear, for the majority.
Regarding the headphone jack, that is not an argument comparable here according to me. That was a design change and did not affect an end consumer that much due to the earphones being the lightning type. This here is something that would require a large number of users to buy another brick.
It's not about that if you can afford an iPhone, you shouldn't have a problem affording a charger, or that Apple has reduced their prices on the adapters etc. I'm not even saying that they did something wrong by not including the charger. I have tons of bricks and wired Earpods that are still lying in the box unused. That's definitely a valid point Apple has brought up.
However, the aspect I felt misleading that I didn't like was:
1. They didn't mention it outright like they should, but I concede that could be mere technicality as the purchase page for the iPhone mentions this.
2. While most of us have charging bricks, not many of us have the ones with USB C. What most of us do have is the USB A.
Now if Apple wanted to make it easy, all they had to do was either use USB A. Suppose we wish to argue here that they're transitioning to USB C. They should, for the consumer, at least offer a dongle, like how they did when they transitioned out the headphone jack.
Moves like this, when an iPhone upgrade is incremental at most, is a clear play to earn profits and provide rosier quarterly earnings.
Thats the aspect I'm not happy about, but at the end of the day, we have to live with it, since Apple is a corporation with a responsibility to its shareholders after all.
There's plenty who just get angry that Apple is being insulted, and become quite rude do forthrightly, as one can see over various threads, that I was hoping to bring to others attention.
It’s inaccurate. Who wants to perpetuate false information? There is no flaw, Apple doesn’t appear to be hiding anything. The marketing scheme just counts on the end user actually having a little knowledge, or be willing to go look it up.
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I don't agree. As a user taking a picture I can go from wide angle to more narrow. I don't really care what Apple calls it, but I am zooming in and zooming out with a range of 5x. I guess technically because the zoom is coming from two lenses, Apple calls it zoom range....but from a user perspective it's all the same.
Again I disagree, that design change had a negative operations impact on the consumer as there was no replacement for the headphone jack. People claimed with four square credit card readers stopped working, their studio quality headsets no longer had studio quality sound etc. The lack of earpods and charger has either 1) no impact or 2) a small cost impact relative to the cost of the phone.
Unlike the headphone jack, one can charge a phone with either a usb-c brick or usb-a brick with the right cable. But the phone can still be charged and nothing was rendered obsolete.
This is the same incremental upgrade from the 4 to the 4s, the 5 to the 5s, the 6 to the 6s, etc. People said the removal of the headphone jack was a clear profit ploy also, as it was a forced move to go to airpods.
(Some) People believe Apple is fairly anti-consumer and at the end of the day, if that was the truth, you would think people, like the masses that contribute to $60B of revenue in a quarter, would see through it.
With hundreds of millions of customers, there are clearly varied opinions of Apple.
Not misleading and on par with camera speak. Lens(es) go from 13mm to 65mm. Back when dinosaurs and SLR cameras with mechanical lenses ruled the earth, that lens would be a 5X zoom.
The concept that the phone will always load the lens at 30mm does not change the fact that it's a 13-65mm lens. Back in the day of my mechanical lenses, if I mounted that lens on the body and it was set at 30mm, does that chnage the fact that the lens is still 13-65mm?
The concept that the phone will always load the lens at 30mm does not change the fact that it's a 13-65mm lens. Back in the day of my mechanical lenses, if I mounted that lens on the body and it was set at 30mm, does that chnage the fact that the lens is still 13-65mm?
Not being a camera person, 13mm to 65mm or 30mm vs 300mm doesn't mean much to me. If you say a lens with "5X zoom" I think 0 magnification to +5X magnification. If you say "5X zoom range" without specifying the range, I also think 0 magnification to +5X magnification. What Apple states seems straightforward to me, but my definition of their statement is different than their intended definition.
You are interpreting this from the perspective of someone with significant camera knowledge. For someone without that knowledge, it's a bit misleading. As I stated previously, I can't say if that is intentional or not and I am not going to speculate, but saying "-2.5 to +2.5 optical zoom" would be more clear than the way Apple has stated this.