Was going to be a New Mac User

[CaptRB]

you assume every buyer is a pro. The word "Pro" means nothing in iPad Pro, or MacBook Pro....it's markerting . So for people looking at a new laptop, and not making pro salaries, it's an issue
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I don't see an issue with the ram, even without the 2016 model being out, many PC manafactures offers 32GB options and lots of photographers had no issues with 16GB MacBooks . It's not that 16GB is not more than enough, with the soldered and glued MacBook pros , people want to future proof for the next 3-5 years, and here I understand where they are coming from, is 16GB enough for some 3-5?years from now after dropping £4K?

I'll be a cynic and admit apple omitted 32GB ram option so it could use it as a selling feature of the next update. If apple wants to sell non upgradable computers, its needs to offer future prooofing configurations , and I get that 16GB is more than enough for most, but I want a 32GB option if I drop £4K investment...

I have a 8 GB Touchbar MBP and it can handle LR and PS open, each working on separate files from a Nikon D810 in RAW. Those are 36 MP miles. I've also been sent files from the Canon 5DS. Those are 50 MP files.

Canon's 5Ds is 1st gen high MP camera. Nikon may go to 48 and that will also be 1st gen. With cycles as long as 3 years for sensors, care to explain how a 8 GB Ram notebook won't last long enough? I have a five year old MBP in my kids room that can handle PS and RAW files.

It does not sound like you're a pro or understand the workflow for photography. These machines are all more than capable enough. For photography you should only be worried about the screen quality and a proper external monitor.


R

 

[MH01]

I have a 8 GB Touchbar MBP and it can handle LR and PS open, each working on separate files from a Nikon D810 in RAW. Those are 36 MP miles. I've also been sent files from the Canon 5DS. Those are 50 MP files.

Canon's 5Ds is 1st gen high MP camera. Nikon may go to 48 and that will also be 1st gen. With cycles as long as 3 years for sensors, care to explain how a 8 GB Ram notebook won't last long enough? I have a five year old MBP in my kids room that can handle PS and RAW files.

It does not sound like you're a pro or understand the workflow for photography. These machines are all more than capable enough. For photography you should only be worried about the screen quality and a proper external monitor.


R

given I was supporting your point, you are really barking up the wrong tree though go ahead an judge me .... maybe reread what I wrote.

Don't judge peoples abilities based on the configuration of laptop they purchase. Poor form. Some of us use laptops for multiple tasks.

 

[CaptRB]

given I was supporting your point, you are really barking up the wrong tree though go ahead an judge me .... maybe reread what I wrote.

Don't judge peoples abilities based on the configuration of laptop they purchase. Poor form. Some of us use laptops for multiple tasks.

Here's what you wrote...

It's not that 16GB is not more than enough, with the soldered and glued MacBook pros , people want to future proof for the next 3-5 years, and here I understand where they are coming from, is 16GB enough for some 3-5?years from now after dropping £4K?

8 MP is enough, so why are you worried about future proofing for a time period where pro photography tech won't come close to creating problems? You've mentioned photography, but what other memory intensive projects are you worried about for future proofing?


R.

 

[MH01]

Here's what you wrote...

It's not that 16GB is not more than enough, with the soldered and glued MacBook pros , people want to future proof for the next 3-5 years, and here I understand where they are coming from, is 16GB enough for some 3-5?years from now after dropping £4K?

8 MP is enough, so why are you worried about future proofing for a time period where pro photography tech won't come close to creating problems? You've mentioned photography, but what other memory intensive projects are you worried about for future proofing?


R.

Read the sentence prior to what you just quoted. I support your stance....

Is there are reason you are choosing to ignore the first sentence ? I agree with you.

Though what's wrong with future proofing? My money

 

[CaptRB]

Read the sentence prior to what you just quoted. I support your stance....

Is there are reason you are choosing to ignore the first sentence ? I agree with you.

Though what's wrong with future proofing? My money

Nothing wrong with future proofing, but please be clear about what specific areas you are concerned with.

A Mac is usually good for 3 years or more with 4-5 years being a reasonable cut-off. What makes you think these machines will be any different?

And again, what areas are you working in, or planning to, that would exceed the abilities of the new MBP?

I'm NOT saying that such needs don't exist. But I have a friend with a studio who's running four MBP 15" for editing Red system and we're talking about cutting feature films and shorts. For photography there is simply zero issue.

Most people who complain about specs DON'T need them. They WANT them. I like to equate this with cars. I was at the Tesla dealership yesterday. I really like the SUV they have, but I'm bored with the sedan. The Tesla guy mentions that the top level Tesla Sedan can run the 1/4 in 2.6 seconds. My Hellcat can do it in 2.8 seconds. How many people care about this? Not many, because, as a rule, most people don't track their cars. But I pointed out that my car is FAR faster, 205 MPH vs. the Tesla at 155 MPH. And he said, "Nobody really drives that fast."

I've had my car up to 171 MPH on a closed course, so that ended that debate. I own the faster car and make USE of that. So when people talk about specs on a Mac, I think it's only logical to ask how they will RUN their Mac. How much do you need from it? How much speed and WHY?



R.

 

[MH01]

Nothing wrong with future proofing, but please be clear about what specific areas you are concerned with.

A Mac is usually good for 3 years or more with 4-5 years being a reasonable cut-off. What makes you think these machines will be any different?

And again, what areas are you working in, or planning to, that would exceed the abilities of the new MBP?

I'm NOT saying that such needs don't exist. But I have a friend with a studio who's running four MBP 15" for editing Red system and we're talking about cutting feature films and shorts. For photography there is simply zero issue.

Most people who complain about specs DON'T need them. They WANT them. I like to equate this with cars. I was at the Tesla dealership yesterday. I really like the SUV they have, but I'm bored with the sedan. The Tesla guy mentions that the top level Tesla Sedan can run the 1/4 in 2.6 seconds. My Hellcat can do it in 2.8 seconds. How many people care about this? Not many, because, as a rule, most people don't track their cars. But I pointed out that my car is FAR faster, 205 MPH vs. the Tesla at 155 MPH. And he said, "Nobody really drives that fast."

I've had my car up to 171 MPH on a closed course, so that ended that debate. I own the faster car and make USE of that. So when people talk about specs on a Mac, I think it's only logical to ask how they will RUN their Mac. How much do you need from it? How much speed and WHY?



R.

Look I agree with you in relation to photography.

You are talking to someone running 3x Titan GPUs in a desktop, watercooled etc....speed does matter to me....tech enthusiast. So yeah I want them sweet high end specs.

Cars...it's not about driving at top end, it's the overall package, every sports car I have owned , top end was boring , the thrill was a twisty road and the confidence it gave me...not about speeding

 

[CaptRB]

Look I agree with you in relation to photography.

You are talking to someone running 3x Titan GPUs in a desktop, watercooled etc....speed does matter to me....tech enthusiast. So yeah I want them sweet high end specs.

Cars...it's not about driving at top end, it's the overall package, every sports car I have owned , top end was boring , the thrill was a twisty road and the confidence it gave me...not about speeding

I also drive a modded Evo X FE, one of the best handling machines around. But overall packages usually compromise. For the Evo X to be as good as it is, it has to give up comfort. For a GT-R (my next car) to be as good as it is, it has to have useless back seats. For my Hellcat Charger to be as good as it is, it has to be heavy. There is no overall package if you want the best at one thing.

So again, and I keep asking (but you don't answer), what do you do that makes you worry about the longevity of a new Mac? Thus far you're talking like a guy who wants a 1200 HP car, but only does city driving. What are your practical requirements that a Mac can't meet a year or two down the road?


R.

 

[Salaryman Ryan]

Too many folks buying into expensive high end models and upgrades they barely need. I can't blame them because GAS affects us all. However, in my humble opinion the best future proofing is money in the bank so in three or five years time they can buy the latest model easily.

 

[MH01]

I also drive a modded Evo X FE, one of the best handling machines around. But overall packages usually compromise. For the Evo X to be as good as it is, it has to give up comfort. For a GT-R (my next car) to be as good as it is, it has to have useless back seats. For my Hellcat Charger to be as good as it is, it has to be heavy. There is no overall package if you want the best at one thing.

So again, and I keep asking (but you don't answer), what do you do that makes you worry about the longevity of a new Mac? Thus far you're talking like a guy who wants a 1200 HP car, but only does city driving. What are your practical requirements that a Mac can't meet a year or two down the road?


R.

Read my initial comment, it's all there, not my fault you have misread it and misquoted it and created a debate I was not interested in. I never said I needed 32gb or ram, I jsut sad I had an expectation for it to be offered in a 32GB model, as it would future proof a very expansive purchase.

And your very wrong if you think I need to justify myself to you. Let's start with actually reading and quoting what I post and not selecting bits to bicker.

Good night

M,

 

[Wildkraut]

Time for Tubby Bye Bye...

 

[Cameron604]

Time for Tubby Bye Bye...

And this post makes sense, how?

 

[Balaamsdonkey]

And this post makes sense, how?

r/oldpeoplefacebook is leaking.

 

[malikkamran]

Buy then **** Lenovo hp dell all suck compared to apple is the best be it iPhone iPad macs

 

[Cameron604]

Buy then **** Lenovo hp dell all suck compared to apple is the best be it iPhone iPad macs

That sounds like fanboy talk to me.

My dad just switched from Mac to Dell. I was surprised to find that his Dell XPS 13" (2016 model) is pretty nice. Less screen bezel than Apple, a really nice design, and the touchscreen is REALLY useful.

If companies like Dell and Windows keep it up with what they've been doing lately, and the Google Pixel keeps it up, I might not own any Apple hardware in ~3 years from now.

 

[malikkamran]

G

That sounds like fanboy talk to me.

My dad just switched from Mac to Dell. I was surprised to find that his Dell XPS 13" (2016 model) is pretty nice. Less screen bezel than Apple, a really nice design, and the touchscreen is REALLY useful.

If companies like Dell and Windows keep it up with what they've been doing lately, and the Google Pixel keeps it up, I might not own any Apple hardware in ~3 years from now.

o to dell community it's full of bugs

That sounds like fanboy talk to me.

My dad just switched from Mac to Dell. I was surprised to find that his Dell XPS 13" (2016 model) is pretty nice. Less screen bezel than Apple, a really nice design, and the touchscreen is REALLY useful.

If companies like Dell and Windows keep it up with what they've been doing lately, and the Google Pixel keeps it up, I might not own any Apple hardware in ~3 years from now.

dell xps 13 lol bet he does not use it for Skype **** place to put webcam

 

[Wildkraut]

And this post makes sense, how?

As if these sad tear drops and mehhh threads makes any ense.
Moan moan moan... jesus christ.

 

[Marshall73]

Studying web design? Buy a £300 Acer or HP, that will do you, every bit as good as an Alienware with a dGPU when it comes to web design when you can do that with notepad++. Also leaves you with plenty of beer tokens.

 

[CaptRB]

Read my initial comment, it's all there, not my fault you have misread it and misquoted it and created a debate I was not interested in. I never said I needed 32gb or ram, I jsut sad I had an expectation for it to be offered in a 32GB model, as it would future proof a very expansive purchase.

And your very wrong if you think I need to justify myself to you. Let's start with actually reading and quoting what I post and not selecting bits to bicker.

Good night

M,

Nobody wants you to "justify" anything.

Thus far, in reading various comments here, just a SINGLE person here could intelligently define the need for specific requirements in a Mac that these new machines do not offer yet. I'm sure there are others, but few have spoken up.

Everyone else is just floating in space wanting "more speed" and "more RAM" without being able to explain why. You can't future proof a computer. These Macs will be good for 3 years and up to 5 for those who have less demanding needs. That's the same window as 3 and 6 years ago.

Next year will be one year closer to the model coming after that. It's always the same silliness with each release.



R.

 

[Egally08]

I have a 8 GB Touchbar MBP and it can handle LR and PS open, each working on separate files from a Nikon D810 in RAW. Those are 36 MP miles. I've also been sent files from the Canon 5DS. Those are 50 MP files.

Canon's 5Ds is 1st gen high MP camera. Nikon may go to 48 and that will also be 1st gen. With cycles as long as 3 years for sensors, care to explain how a 8 GB Ram notebook won't last long enough? I have a five year old MBP in my kids room that can handle PS and RAW files.

It does not sound like you're a pro or understand the workflow for photography. These machines are all more than capable enough. For photography you should only be worried about the screen quality and a proper external monitor.


R

Being capable doesn't mean you're going to get the best experience. Granted, your work isn't that heavy, but you're still using a large portion of your ram with only 8gb. Add in mail and messaging clients, browser with multiple tabs and you're going to start seeing some drag and beach balls.

I've seen you mention your hellcat numerous times in different threads...Clearly you don't mind paying for a good experience. I'm quite surprised you didn't opt for 16gb.

As far as not being able to future proof - It's really dependent on the user. But if we're talking about your case in particular, yes I'd say 16gb would be considered future proofing since you're pretty much at the ceiling. Software and OS's are ever changing, and for the most part, trending upwards in the resources they require.

I've got a new max spec 15" coming in tomorrow. Sure, I would have liked 32gb, because I see considerable slow down on moderate use. Hell, I see a lot of UI lag on my 32gb iMacs when I've got a lot going on. And no, I'm not producing feature films or running 10 Vm's.

 

[CaptRB]

Being capable doesn't mean you're going to get the best experience. Granted, your work isn't that heavy, but you're still using a large portion of your ram with only 8gb. Add in mail and messaging clients, browser with multiple tabs and you're going to start seeing some drag and beach balls.

I've seen you mention your hellcat numerous times in different threads...Clearly you don't mind paying for a good experience. I'm quite surprised you didn't opt for 16gb.

As far as not being able to future proof - It's really dependent on the user. But if we're talking about your case in particular, yes I'd say 16gb would be considered future proofing since you're pretty much at the ceiling. Software and OS's are ever changing, and for the most part, trending upwards in the resources they require.

I've got a new max spec 15" coming in tomorrow. Sure, I would have liked 32gb, because I see considerable slow down on moderate use. Hell, I see a lot of UI lag on my 32gb iMacs when I've got a lot going on. And no, I'm not producing feature films or running 10 Vm's.

Zero lag of any kind and I'm running PS and LR at the SAME time. Who told you that 8 GB isn't enough when a RAW file, uncompressed from the Sony 36 MP sensor is just 40 MB? After conversions we're dealing with files in the 3-6 MB range. The math is the math. RAW files open INSTANTLY, even with other stuff running.

16 GB would be a sensible purchase if I was going to do more video work and next year I may add the 15". The 16 GB offers ZERO advantage for this type of work.

So far as my cars go, I only buy what I can make use of. I can and have pushed my car into the high triple digits. It will be tracked soon as well. I buy what I can use. 16 GB wouldn't get used and I knew that I might update to a newer MacBook in a year or two anyway.


R.

 

[Antairez]

you assume every buyer is a pro. The word "Pro" means nothing in iPad Pro, or MacBook Pro....it's markerting . So for people looking at a new laptop, and not making pro salaries, it's an issue
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I don't see an issue with the ram, even without the 2016 model being out, many PC manafactures offers 32GB options and lots of photographers had no issues with 16GB MacBooks . It's not that 16GB is not more than enough, with the soldered and glued MacBook pros , people want to future proof for the next 3-5 years, and here I understand where they are coming from, is 16GB enough for some 3-5?years from now after dropping £4K?

I'll be a cynic and admit apple omitted 32GB ram option so it could use it as a selling feature of the next update. If apple wants to sell non upgradable computers, its needs to offer future prooofing configurations , and I get that 16GB is more than enough for most, but I want a 32GB option if I drop £4K investment...

Graphics intensive work that requires 32GB of RAM? You will have trouble with that Iris 550 first mate. Computational work that requires 32GB of RAM? That 28W TDP CPU would be your first problem mate. Maybe the quad core machine could take better use of the 32GB, but you got far better alternatives for doing that kind of work (VPS or dedicated workstation).

Real professionals use the right tool for the right job. The MacBook is overpriced for what it does, and its only meant for people who are willing to spend a fortune for form factor. That said people with enough income wouldn't really care tho. I got mine, and I understand its overpriced. Still no complaints.

 

[CaptRB]

Graphics intensive work that requires 32GB of RAM? You will have trouble with that Iris 550 first mate. Computational work that requires 32GB of RAM? That 28W TDP CPU would be your first problem mate. Maybe the quad core machine could take better use of the 32GB, but you got far better alternatives for doing that kind of work (VPS or dedicated workstation).

Real professionals use the right tool for the right job. The MacBook is overpriced for what it does, and its only meant for people who are willing to spend a fortune for form factor. That said people with enough income wouldn't really care tho. I got mine, and I understand its overpriced. Still no complaints.

Agree 100%. I recently sold my quad core i7 iMac. That machine also had 8 GB ram. My second station at the office had 16 GB, same config. and NO difference even when handling massive TIF files. We're talking about photos that were used for printing 10 foot wide for trade shows. Even the Mac Air with 8 GB can handle such files without any issue, though certain plug-ins run a bit slower on that machine....but that's not due to memory.

I buy what I can use to make money and get work done as smoothly as possible. I also like a small portable machine, thus I prefer the 13" over the 15". If I want a status symbol, I just whip out my 1989 Casio Calculator watch, which also has 2K memory!


R.

 

[Ghost31]

That sounds like fanboy talk to me.

My dad just switched from Mac to Dell. I was surprised to find that his Dell XPS 13" (2016 model) is pretty nice. Less screen bezel than Apple, a really nice design, and the touchscreen is REALLY useful.

If companies like Dell and Windows keep it up with what they've been doing lately, and the Google Pixel keeps it up, I might not own any Apple hardware in ~3 years from now.

Yep. Check out the hp specter too. One of the best laptops you can buy in my opinion. Hp has come a long way

http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/12/13914962/hp-spectre-x360-review-2016-laptop

The value of Mac was different when all windows laptops sucked. Now that they don't...well.

 

[CaptRB]

Yep. Check out the hp specter too. One of the best laptops you can buy in my opinion. Hp has come a long way

http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/12/13914962/hp-spectre-x360-review-2016-laptop

The value of Mac was different when all windows laptops sucked. Now that they don't...well.

It doesn't matter if they make PC's better. The windows OS with it's still fat-filled bloatware continues to make the PC a lousy experience that gradually slows down with out constant maintenance. No thanks...time is money and sanity, so I'll stick with Mac.


R.

 

[chiamac]

I wish you all the luck with your MBP. I am going to cancel my order tonight for the max spec 15". Was going to make the jump over to mac for web design degree. But I just can't justify the cost vs pc. For an AlienWare Laptop, I can get double Ram, Double Graphics, and 17" screen for the same price. Was really looking foward to mac, but I cannot justify the cost. Wish you guys all the best and I love the iphones, but I just can't justify this purchase.

New account just to tell us this? Are you part of an army of trolls from a competitor playing the long game of trying to methodically undermine Apple products by planting seeds and performing inceptions?