Was going to be a New Mac User

[Lil Chillbil]

Hi i'm jeff and I was going to buy a porshe but it doesn't hold my 6 kids, so i'm going with a corvette cause its cheaper.

 

[MH01]

Nobody wants you to "justify" anything.

Thus far, in reading various comments here, just a SINGLE person here could intelligently define the need for specific requirements in a Mac that these new machines do not offer yet. I'm sure there are others, but few have spoken up.

Everyone else is just floating in space wanting "more speed" and "more RAM" without being able to explain why. You can't future proof a computer. These Macs will be good for 3 years and up to 5 for those who have less demanding needs. That's the same window as 3 and 6 years ago.

Next year will be one year closer to the model coming after that. It's always the same silliness with each release.



R.

I buy , used to buy Macs cause they actually represented great value for money long term.

Case in example , my 2009 iMac i7 . If this was sold as a Macs 2016, it would have come with 4GB ram soldered and soldered storage , the 2009 iMac in 2016 would be useless .

My 2009 iMac, Raid 0 2TB SSD storage and 16GB Ram. 7 years on and this machine is kicking ass as a family computer doing all the tasks with ease. It's got an easy 3 more years left in it if it does not break. I can even upgrade the GPU.

Let's see how your 2016 mac is holding up in 7 years time . This is why I want future proofing, I don't want a mac for 3 years max

 

[soms_user]

It's about value for money, the OP does not come across as pro PC, it's just that for $4K + , PC offers better value for some , especially as the OP is not bothered about portability , looking at an Alienware.

I love my macs but still am shocked a top end MacBook Pro now costs £4K + for me... Mac Pro costs less...

It's all personal opinion anyway, many will find the offering just fine in relation to value for money

Indeed maybe. But then if its about value for money you can also get a 2015 mac instead. Right??
Complaining "Macs are not value for money" every time and pointing to a comparable WinLap is hardly something to post about - that also in MacForum.
I assume that if yous earch for this guys history then you might find a similar post about older macs too.

 

[MH01]

Indeed maybe. But then if its about value for money you can also get a 2015 mac instead. Right??
Complaining "Macs are not value for money" every time and pointing to a comparable WinLap is hardly something to post about - that also in MacForum.
I assume that if yous earch for this guys history then you might find a similar post about older macs too.

You are correct . I actually bought both 2015 refurb and 2016, and value for money I'm leaving towards the 2015

 

[decafjava]

How do they even find this forum? And all the likes? WTF

If I want to talk about my MacBook do I go to a Windows forum? Cuz this place is loony toons.

Paid well I hope.

 

[CaptRB]

I buy , used to buy Macs cause they actually represented great value for money long term.

Case in example , my 2009 iMac i7 . If this was sold as a Macs 2016, it would have come with 4GB ram soldered and soldered storage , the 2009 iMac in 2016 would be useless .

My 2009 iMac, Raid 0 2TB SSD storage and 16GB Ram. 7 years on and this machine is kicking ass as a family computer doing all the tasks with ease. It's got an easy 3 more years left in it if it does not break. I can even upgrade the GPU.

Let's see how your 2016 mac is holding up in 7 years time . This is why I want future proofing, I don't want a mac for 3 years max

VALUE is a moving target and different for everyone. I don't see equivalent value in a 2015 MacBook Pro because it has inferior screen, keyboard, processing, storage speed and so on. Buy both machines with 16 GB and you will simply get more from the new machine AND there is no upgrade path for the 2015 model.

Comparing a notebook that is prioritizing small size and versatility against a desktop isn't much of a point.

You've failed to make a single point about your actual requirements. You should buy a PC and let it go at that. You're certainly not a high-end user and it sounds to me like pretty much any machine will work for your needs.

Seems like a few people are pointing out that you've run this "anti Mac" path before, so I'm getting off the bus.

Cheers,



R

 

[Egally08]

Zero lag of any kind and I'm running PS and LR at the SAME time. Who told you that 8 GB isn't enough when a RAW file, uncompressed from the Sony 36 MP sensor is just 40 MB? After conversions we're dealing with files in the 3-6 MB range. The math is the math. RAW files open INSTANTLY, even with other stuff running.

16 GB would be a sensible purchase if I was going to do more video work and next year I may add the 15". The 16 GB offers ZERO advantage for this type of work.

So far as my cars go, I only buy what I can make use of. I can and have pushed my car into the high triple digits. It will be tracked soon as well. I buy what I can use. 16 GB wouldn't get used and I knew that I might update to a newer MacBook in a year or two anyway.


R.

I never said 8gb wasn't enough for your light usage. I'll reiterate it again though - Being "Enough" Doesn't mean that it's the best experience. Using multiple adobe CC programs, along with the other usual computer tasks, puts you close to the ceiling, before you start seeing some lag. Not necessarily in the CC apps, but switching between open windows, scrolling in your browsers, etc.

The slight UI lag is well documented in MacOS / OSX, however having sufficient ram helps minimize it. There's no doubt about that, is all I'm trying to say.

 

[MH01]

VALUE is a moving target and different for everyone. I don't see equivalent value in a 2015 MacBook Pro because it has inferior screen, keyboard, processing, storage speed and so on. Buy both machines with 16 GB and you will simply get more from the new machine AND there is no upgrade path for the 2015 model.

Comparing a notebook that is prioritizing small size and versatility against a desktop isn't much of a point.

You've failed to make a single point about your actual requirements. You should buy a PC and let it go at that. You're certainly not a high-end user and it sounds to me like pretty much any machine will work for your needs.

Seems like a few people are pointing out that you've run this "anti Mac" path before, so I'm getting off the bus.

Cheers,



R

Which part of I'm not explaining myself to you cause I don't respect your opinion are your not getting? This is due to a previous exchange where you made it personal, Keep getting personal and attacking if I'm a pro user or high end user etc , it just amuses me . I've mentioned this before , play the game and not the player , leave the personal out of it . Second time now .

Let's both agree to get off the bus and stay off it .

 

[CaptRB]

I never said 8gb wasn't enough for your light usage. I'll reiterate it again though - Being "Enough" Doesn't mean that it's the best experience. Using multiple adobe CC programs, along with the other usual computer tasks, puts you close to the ceiling, before you start seeing some lag. Not necessarily in the CC apps, but switching between open windows, scrolling in your browsers, etc.

The slight UI lag is well documented in MacOS / OSX, however having sufficient ram helps minimize it. There's no doubt about that, is all I'm trying to say.

I own a 13" MacBook Pro with 8 GB of ram and touch bar. I'm running Lightroom and PC WITH plug-ins. My mail client is open. Safari is open. I've got RAW files open in BOTH programs. I'm exporting as TIFFs for large print. This is for professional output using top tier cameras.
I've yet to see ANY lag. I don't know what to tell you. Do you want me to open some other stuff to FORCE some lag??? LOL. The Nikon and Canon files are massive per file and there's no issue. If I had any concern I would have simply ordered something else.


R.

 

[50calty]

Hello again. I've taken in what all you have said and also did more research. Even reached out to a member that posted in this topic. The member has been more than helpful in all my questions. So long story short. I cancelled the Alienware and found a nice 15 MacBook Pro that apple refurbished for a nice deal. Should arrive tomorrow. Thanks again for all your help.

 

[Cameron604]

Speaking about desktops, the iMac only represented okay-ish value back when good IPS panels were suuuuper expensive (right around 1 year prior to 4k release, and 2 years? into their 4k iMac). Before that, and after that, the iMac has been pretty poor value. Desktops are 100% better value.

As far as laptops go, that's where Apple still has money in the game.

 

[Pstein15]

Clever way of advertising Alienware. Is honesty as extinct as dinosaurs?

Why are you telling us this? Buy the computer you want. I'm not sure why we all needed to be informed about your purchase. I mean, the idea of coming onto a forum of anonymous people to tell them you bought a computer is already strange. But coming onto a forum to tell people you didn't buy a computer is even stranger.

What other things did you decide not to buy today? Want to tell us about those?

 

[AmazingRobie]

I wish you all the luck with your MBP. I am going to cancel my order tonight for the max spec 15". Was going to make the jump over to mac for web design degree. But I just can't justify the cost vs pc. For an AlienWare Laptop, I can get double Ram, Double Graphics, and 17" screen for the same price. Was really looking foward to mac, but I cannot justify the cost. Wish you guys all the best and I love the iphones, but I just can't justify this purchase.

As much as I despise the current leadership at Apple and all of the bugs in the software, all of the faulty components, the design theft, the lying, etc, the reason i get on this site and voice an opinion is because, i want things to get better. Good luck with your alienware purchase, but if you're serious about your design degree you'll be back to Apple in a year or two as there currently is NO ALTERNATIVE. Thats what makes it a frustrating experience. btw, alienware is crap. So is dell. Unless you like games or strapping a bunch of plastic to your head and looking like an idiot.

 

[Elise]

As much as I despise the current leadership at Apple and all of the bugs in the software, all of the faulty components, the design theft, the lying, etc, the reason i get on this site and voice an opinion is because, i want things to get better. Good luck with your alienware purchase, but if you're serious about your design degree you'll be back to Apple in a year or two as there currently is NO ALTERNATIVE. Thats what makes it a frustrating experience. btw, alienware is crap. So is dell. Unless you like games or strapping a bunch of plastic to your head and looking like an idiot.

The OP updated to say he bought a 15 MBP.

 

[0002378]

OP, there's nothing wrong with your decision. There's no better judge of what's best for you than yourself.

From my own experience as a software developer, I would say that after being a lifelong PC user, and then switching to using a Mac, I love the Mac so much that I would never again develop on any other platform (Linux included). Mac, to me, combines the best of both worlds - dummied down user-friendliness and prevalent support on the one hand, and the robustness and power that comes with a Unix-like OS.

My mid-2009 Macbook Pro has proven to be durable and reliable ... still going strong after 8 years. So, under the right circumstances, whatever those may be, a Mac can be a worthwhile investment. And, for software development (or even Web dev), I think it is supreme. While I do agree that Apple charges a premium for its products and services ... it is sometimes worth it (and sometimes not).

But, I'm sure that whatever platform you choose to go with ... you can make it work for you as well.

 

[0002378]

OP, there's nothing wrong with your decision. There's no better judge of what's best for you than yourself.

From my own experience as a software developer, I would say that after being a lifelong PC user, and then switching to using a Mac, I love the Mac so much that I would never again develop on any other platform (Linux included). Mac, to me, combines the best of both worlds - dummied down user-friendliness and prevalent support on the one hand, and the robustness and power that comes with a Unix-like OS.

My mid-2009 Macbook Pro has proven to be durable and reliable ... still going strong after 8 years. So, under the right circumstances, whatever those may be, a Mac can be a worthwhile investment. And, for software development (or even Web dev), I think it is supreme. While I do agree that Apple charges a premium for its products and services ... it is sometimes worth it (and sometimes not).

But, I'm sure that whatever platform you choose to go with ... you can make it work for you as well.

Oh man, I thought this was a current thread. I saw Dec 9, but didn't see the year in the timestamp of the original post