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Was it Steve Jobs more about upgrading and repairing than Time Cook that all about lock down and soldered now.
You've clearly never tried to repair a Jobs era iBook or Powerbook. Absolutely miserable experience.
But it’s true, and he later admitted it himself.
If he began cancer treatment when he was very first recommended to, he’d likely still be here today. Granted, probably not running apple in his 70s, but the point remains.
To be fair, he had pancreatic cancer. The symptoms usually only manifest themselves when it is too late to treat and life expectancy after diagnosis can be measured in weeks as happened to two family friends. Jobs hung on for much longer than most manage.
 
You've clearly never tried to repair a Jobs era iBook or Powerbook. Absolutely miserable experience.

To be fair, he had pancreatic cancer. The symptoms usually only manifest themselves when it is too late to treat and life expectancy after diagnosis can be measured in weeks as happened to two family friends. Jobs hung on for much longer than most manage.

I thought he had pancreatic cancer that was treatable? And he opt not to?
 
To be fair, he had pancreatic cancer. The symptoms usually only manifest themselves when it is too late to treat and life expectancy after diagnosis can be measured in weeks as happened to two family friends. Jobs hung on for much longer than most manage.
Jobs had a rare form of pancreatic cancer that has extremely high rates of successful treatment. He foolishly tried to treat it with diet instead of real medicine. That’s why he died. This wasn’t a standard case of pancreatic cancer and his outcome didn’t need to happen the way it did
 
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I was an early adopter. Loved it. But it was too ahead of its time. The hardware was not there to support the handwriting recognition.
In the fall of 1993, I went to a meeting of the "programmer's SIG" of Washington Apple Pi, the Washington DC area Apple user's group. There were about a dozen people there, and the speaker was an author who had written a few books about Mac programming. This evening, however, he wanted to talk about the Newton, because he had just written a book about it with inside-Apple access.

During his talk, he addressed the Newton's RAM, saying that, despite the seemingly small amount, it would be enough because of some reason that I don't remember now. I asked him about that, saying that I remember hearing a very similar story about the non-upgradeable 128K of RAM in the original Macintosh in 1984: It didn't need more because the OS was on disk and the toolbox was in ROM, so nearly all of the 128K was available to applications. He insisted the Newton was different, and that wasn't a valid comparison.
 
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I had no idea that computer monitors in the 80s where black and white. The screen is really small by today standards.
A high resolution color CRT was big, heavy and EXPENSIVE. Monochrome CRT's did not have shadow masks, so it was possible to get more dots per inch and easier to make a large screen.

At least he Steve Job invented the GUI and mouse.
The mouse was invented by Douglas Engelbart in the 1960's, possibly inspired by the light pens invented for SAGE in the late 1950's and early 1960's.

The GUI as we know it was developed by Xerox PARC in the 1970's. Interactive computing with graphical interface (radar display) also dates back to SAGE.

FWIW, SAGE stands for Semi-Automatic Ground Environment.
 
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And they course corrected and fixed that. Hopefully Apple today does the same thing with their ridiculous soldered ram and storage
Jobs literally had to be forced out of the company for Apple to produce a Mac with SCSI, expansion slots, upgradeable RAM, internal hard disk, and color graphics.

Don’t get me wrong, I give him full 100% credit for saving Apple when he came back. But he had very strong beliefs about what a computer should be.
 
Jobs literally had to be forced out of the company for Apple to produce a Mac with SCSI, expansion slots, upgradeable RAM, internal hard disk, and color graphics.

Don’t get me wrong, I give him full 100% credit for saving Apple when he came back. But he had very strong beliefs about what a computer should be.

That odd why would Steve Jobs hate SCSI and want black and white monitors?
 
A high resolution color CRT was big, heavy and EXPENSIVE. Monochrome CRT's did not have shadow masks, so it was possible to get more dots per inch and easier to make a large screen.


The mouse was invented by Douglas Engelbart in the 1960's, possibly inspired by the light pens invented for SAGE in the late 1950's and early 1960's.

The GUI as we know it was developed by Xerox PARC in the 1970's. Interactive computing with graphical interface (radar display) also dates back to SAGE.

FWIW, SAGE stands for Semi-Automatic Ground Environment.

I thought Apple was using GUI and mouse before Microsoft added it to windows? Where windows was DOS base and Apple computers where using GUI and mouse?
 
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The GUI as we know it was developed by Xerox PARC in the 1970's.
I’ve always heard the narrative that Jobs visited PARC in the 1970s and basically “stole” the ideas for the Lisa and Mac GUI from them.

Recently, I read an account, probably a 50th anniversary story around here, that said there was a company-to-company agreement between Apple and Xerox, and money or stock changed hands too.
 
Amelio was pricing computers really high is why sales were way down and almost killed the company.
There were a lot of factors that almost killed the company. I used to think of Amelio as the worst Apple CEO, but recently I’ve come to believe that it was the bad decisions of his predecessors that came home to roost on his watch.

One of the biggest mistakes, IMO, was licensing the Mac OS for clones. It was a misguided attempt to follow Wall Street’s demand for “more marketshare”, and ended up cannibalizing Apple’s own sales.
 
The GUI as we know it was developed by Xerox PARC in the 1970's.
During the 1970s, Niklaus Wirth, at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) in Zurich, developed a machine called Lilith that also used a mouse and windows.

I think this was a case where many computer scientists who read the same journals and went to the same conferences developed similar ideas at the same time, and were able to implement them as microprocessor technology advanced.
 
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Well Tim Cook is doing that now with soldered RAM and soldered storage.
Everybody is doing that now because commodity parts are so cheap compared with earlier that we have entered the disposable era, sad to say.

However, when things needed to be repairable, Apple made it as difficult as possible with bizarre internal design choices and it frequently went horribly wrong. The first 12" Alu Powerbook and the first Macbook Pro were notorious for overheating, for example. You had to remove so many screws and fragile parts just to replace a dead drive that it was ridiculous. Just look at the iFixit guide to replace drives from that era and compare to PC laptops, where the drive plate was just held on by one or two screws on the base.
 
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Jobs literally had to be forced out of the company for Apple to produce a Mac with SCSI, expansion slots, upgradeable RAM, internal hard disk, and color graphics.

Don’t get me wrong, I give him full 100% credit for saving Apple when he came back. But he had very strong beliefs about what a computer should be.
Yeah and a lot of the time he was wrong! Good thing he learned his lesson when he came back and didn’t try to remove expandability. Some Macs in his era were among the most upgradable ever, like the great design for replaceable hard drives in the first MacBook
 
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I’ve always heard the narrative that Jobs visited PARC in the 1970s and basically “stole” the ideas for the Lisa and Mac GUI from them.

Recently, I read an account, probably a 50th anniversary story around here, that said there was a company-to-company agreement between Apple and Xerox, and money or stock changed hands too.
Yeah, they didn’t steal PARC’s ideas, they licensed them and expanded them into much better designs with user testing . Then Microsoft stole them from both
 
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During the 1970s, Niklaus Wirth, at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) in Zurich, developed a machine called Lilith that also used a mouse and windows.
PARC's work on GUI's predates Wirth's Lilith. I think it is likely that there was some cooperation between Wirth and PARC.
 
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There were a lot of factors that almost killed the company. I used to think of Amelio as the worst Apple CEO, but recently I’ve come to believe that it was the bad decisions of his predecessors that came home to roost on his watch.

One of the biggest mistakes, IMO, was licensing the Mac OS for clones. It was a misguided attempt to follow Wall Street’s demand for “more marketshare”, and ended up cannibalizing Apple’s own sales.
If Apple had licensed MacOS for clones early, it probably would’ve been a good idea. MacOS had an incredible lead on Windows and could’ve destroyed them

But by the time they did license MacOS, it was a huge mistake because Macs were overpriced and underpowered and the clones undercut them on every level. The clones even innovated in ways Apple couldn’t or wouldn’t, like creating the first multiprocessor Macs

By that point, people weren’t enticed to switch from Windows to MacOS, it just gave Apple less market share in their own market
 
An oversimplification. Steve Jobs was definitely profit driven too, and Tim Cook understands that producs are required for profit.
Tim Cool understands that products are required for profit. Steve Jobs understood that great products are the best way to make products

This key difference is why Apple isn’t as cool or high quality as it was under jobs
 
PARC's work on GUI's predates Wirth's Lilith. I think it is likely that there was some cooperation between Wirth and PARC.

You’re right. In fact, I was just reading the Wikipedia article about the Lilith, and it says:

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The development of Lilith was influenced by the Xerox Alto from the Xerox PARC (1973) where Niklaus Wirth spent a sabbatical from 1976 to 1977.
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My mistake.
 
Everybody is doing that now because commodity parts are so cheap compared with earlier that we have entered the disposable era, sad to say.

However, when things needed to be repairable, Apple made it as difficult as possible with bizarre internal design choices and it frequently went horribly wrong. The first 12" Alu Powerbook and the first Macbook Pro were notorious for overheating, for example. You had to remove so many screws and fragile parts just to replace a dead drive that it was ridiculous. Just look at the iFixit guide to replace drives from that era and compare to PC laptops, where the drive plate was just held on by one or two screws on the base.

Tim Cook is doing that to try to make more money chasing profits but this could hurt them that say some one buys $3,000 MacBook Pro and the storage or RAM dies in 3 or 4 years you can’t SWAP out bad part they get bad and switch to PC than buying other Mac.
 
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