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I've read articles in the past that you can switch the stand option after purchase—I can't imagine this happens often, but I did read a thing that it was possible.
It is possible. In my other post (#110) I mentioned that my ASD is with Apple right now being repaired (power cable chewed by new puppy).

Anyway, since I already had to wait awhile for them to fix that, I figured I would go ahead and just spring for the upgraded stand.

Believe it or not, I'm still waiting (since July 3rd) for Apple to complete the repair. Supposedly, the issue that is keeping it from completion is that they don't have the tool in store to remove the power cable.
 
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The essential technologies in ASD are more than 10 years old by now:
  • the same old max. 60Hz refresh rate. Even not bothering adding VRR (aka ProMotion in Apple-speak) like a decent 4K LG has where VRR is between 40-60Hz, better than none and save some energy. I would expect higher than 60Hz refresh at the minimum from the price of ASD.
  • the same old backlight system like 10 years ago. No local dimming whatsoever. For the asking price, you would think Apple at least gives it a try
  • heck. it even doesn't have IPS Black technology that's an improved IPS tech available in latest 4K LG or Dell from 2022 models, targeting graphic designers and creators. I'm quite sure when ASD was in development, Apple should be aware of IPS Black from LGD already.
But it's better than all those displays because it's 5k, not 4k. It makes all the difference at this size.
 
The text quality, greyscale and color fidelity is outstanding.

Empirically its not though. The ASD uses an early generation 2014 IPS panel with mediocre 1000:1 contrast ratio. The LG 4K 24" Ultrafine has 1250:1 contrast ratio with deeper blacks, and the Dell 6K 32" has 2000:1 contrast ratio. Both using more recent IPS panels.
 
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I owned one for about a month in February, alongside my M1 Max Mac Studio.

The clarity and quality of the panel is what an iMac 5k has had for years.. so nothing new there, it's good.

What annoyed me (after coming from a MBP 16") was the 60hz. Considering the price of this monitor, it's really lagging behind the MacBook Pros.

Once you go ProMotion it is quite hard to go back to 60hz, for those who notice the difference.

I returned it and now own a 2020 5k iMac, under warranty. Yes it's 60hz and the same panel.. but the whole iMac cost 1/3rd of what the Studio Display cost....

- AU$2500 cinema display (Apple)
- AU$800 iMac 2020 5k (FB Marketplace)

awks
 
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I owned one for about a month in February, alongside my M1 Max Mac Studio.

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I returned it and now own a 2020 5k iMac, under warranty. Yes it's 60hz and the same panel.. but the whole iMac cost 1/3rd of what the Studio Display cost....
Let me get this straight. You wanted a 5K display for your Mac Studio, so you bought one, and then returned it to buy a much slower and older Intel Mac with... basically the same display built in? What is the Mac Studio connected to?

What annoyed me (after coming from a MBP 16") was the 60hz. Considering the price of this monitor, it's really lagging behind the MacBook Pros.

As others have pointed out in this thread, the bandwidth available over Thunderbolt makes it impossible for any 5K monitor to refresh at ProMotion rates. So, no, it's not that the ASD is "lagging" so much as it's made for a different user: someone who needs a big, color-accurate monitor at 5K.
 
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I've read articles in the past that you can switch the stand option after purchase—I can't imagine this happens often, but I did read a thing that it was possible.

I asked at the Apple Store and they said yes you could bring it in and they could swap it. I think the stand is like over $500 by itself though.
 
What annoyed me (after coming from a MBP 16") was the 60hz. Considering the price of this monitor, it's really lagging behind the MacBook Pros.
As others have pointed out in this thread, the bandwidth available over Thunderbolt makes it impossible for any 5K monitor to refresh at ProMotion rates. So, no, it's not that the ASD is "lagging" so much as it's made for a different user: someone who needs a big, color-accurate monitor at 5K.

This is not correct. TB4 supports DisplayPort 2.0 which can do 5K up to ~150Hz.
 
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This is not correct. TB4 supports DisplayPort 2.0 which can do 5K up to ~150Hz.
With bandwidth available for USB-C devices still? Apple, I'm sure, is expecting people to plug SSDs and such in to their Studio Displays.

Not a challenge - just a legitimate question.
 
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As others have pointed out in this thread, the bandwidth available over Thunderbolt makes it impossible for any 5K monitor to refresh at ProMotion rates. So, no, it's not that the ASD is "lagging" so much as it's made for a different user: someone who needs a big, color-accurate monitor at 5K.
Solely focusing on the panel - 5k IS available at 120hz, quite easily.

Even easier on an iMac as Apple can have creative ways to pass the bandwidth without using an external cable
 
I love mine. For me, brightness and clarity are key, and this delivers both in a big way. The audio quality is also way above what I've heard from any other display -- so much so that I haven't yet bought external speakers for my current setup, and I always had $1000+ external speakers in the past. (Not saying these meet *that* standard, just that they are extremely good for what they are. This display also powers my 16" MBP with no problem, and the webcam meets my needs quite well. When you factor in the build quality, I don't even really get the argument that it is "overpriced." Premium, yes, but overall outstanding for what it tries to be.

As to weaknesses, the main one for me is the lack of a second source input. I'd also like Apple TV capability, similar to what Samsung offers. I'd love that when I occasionally need to unplug my laptop but am still relaxing in my office. There are some others that some have already mentioned in this thread, but none of them are consequential for what I'm looking for. Overall, I'm very happy.
 
The ASD and Pro XDR are the best Mac monitors. But it’s more than a monitor, it turns any Mac into an iMac / iMac Pro.
This, right here, is why ASD is so great. Plug your laptop in and you have iMac quality and ease. Nothing else I've tried does that. It also looks smashing on your desk.
 
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I think it had issues when it first released. All of the things that were iOS driven had issues. But, given that Apple updates the display's firmware/OS along with iOS, those problems might have since seen improvement.
 
It's just funny that people compare 4K to 5K displays. A 5K display has twice as much pixels as a 4K display.

Why doesn't a 5K display with double the amount of pixels cost the same as a 4K display?
I agree with the essence of what you're saying, but 2x the number of pixels is overstating it. It's 66% more pixels:

4K
4096 × 2160 = 8,847,360

5K
5120 × 2880 = 14,745,600

14,745,600 / 8,847,360 = 1.66666667

It IS a bigger difference than the terms "4K" and "5K" might imply, though.
 
It’s a fine display. It’s just unfortunate Apple doesn’t offer an affordable display. The 2011 Thunderbolt Display was $999
That $999 from 2011 would be $1,355 today because of inflation. Not such a different price.

I'm sure if you dig back into the forums here to 2011 you can find people bemoaning the cost of that monitor as well, and touting budget alternatives from the Acers of the world.
 
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It’s a fine display. It’s just unfortunate Apple doesn’t offer an affordable display. The 2011 Thunderbolt Display was $999, the 2020 iMac was $1799. So a starting price of $1599 is steep, and the height-adjustable stand is another $400.
That $999 from 2011 would be $1,355 today because of inflation. Not such a different price.
And was also tilt only without even a height adjustable stand option. The early Cinema Displays were crazy expensive in their days.

As so very many people keep repeating in all of these threads, many without being cognizant of it, there is no need for Apple to offer an inexpensive lowest-common-denominator display because the market is awash in them. Apple is offering a targeted product that a sufficient but smaller number of people find desirable enough to pay a premium for.

That's not a flop, it's servicing an important customer segment. An Apple also-ran mass market display foolishly trying to price compete with display makers running volumes an order of magnitude higher would be a flop.
 
As to weaknesses, the main one for me is the lack of a second source input.

Agree. Lack of second input is very inconvenient. Back to the basic, ASD is also lacking actually.

ASD has good colour accuracy. But a cheap, decent 4K LG is good out of factory too. After user calibration, on par with ASD.

Also, no real professional graphic designers (such as those in the printing press) will use ASD because AdobeRGB coverage is 88% only. The said cheap, decent 4K LG offers 88% AdobeRGB as well.

sRGB...about the same. Almost any decent displays can do 99%.

DCI-P3/Display-P3...ASD 98%. The said cheap, decent 4K LG can do anywhere from 96% to 98% (depends on your luck). Okay, ASD is better here for six times the cost.
 
I've had it for a couple weeks and the quality of the image and the build are great. Considering I got it for $80 off at Best Buy and my TotalTech membership covers my Apple Care, I felt the price of this base model was fine when comparing the price of other 5K monitors that aren't as good and cost nearly as much. Those are the pluses.. Here are what I wish was different:

1. OS REQUIREMENT FOR A MONITOR - The OS requirement is silliness and it makes me worry that in a couple years Apple might declare that future OS's will NOT support this monitor.. I use this monitor for my 2021 MBP with no problem, but for work I also pair it with my 2017 iMac which I keep on Mojave to retain software that I need to use for various projects. I will be ready to upgrade the OS on this machine once I've wrapped up a couple of legacy projects on the 2018 version of Avid Media Composer, but until then I must stay on Mojave. The monitor DOES work on a basic level by displaying the content, and the speakers work fine too, but real odd things happen when you launch certain apps. Chrome absolutely crashes and will not work at all while the monitor is connected. This seems like a deliberate hobbling/planned obsoletism thing. There is zero reason a monitor can't just display stuff and not mess up the function of a computer that's only a few years old. It's a MONITOR ffs. That said, still worth it for me because I can work around it for now and I will update the OS in the foreseeable future anyway. And again, convince me that in 2025 Apple won't declare this monitor obsolete and no longer useable on future Macs. It's just silly.

2. HEIGHT TAX - I wanted the height stand, but I got the tilt stand because in my situation buying the height stand would've added $700 to my cost. Best Buy didn't have it, and buying from Apple would've meant missing out on the BB discount and included Apple Care, adding to the cost. But even putting that aside, the $400 premium for height adjustment is really such a cynical move on Apple's part. In the end I think I prefer the slimmer footprint and sturdier stance (I have a cat) of the tilt-only stand anyway, but still.

3. NO APPLE TV - It's beyond lunacy that they built this lovely screen that has a sophisticated chip inside of it plus more RAM than my iMac even has, but didn't include Apple TV functionality. Don't they want to sell subscriptions? One thing that ALMOST had me waiting on the new Samsung 5K is it comes with a remote and all major streaming apps built-in. The deal-breaker was I didn't want that matte screen. One might say, "Oh but it's for using on your computer, no streaming for you!", but one might also say "Hey, it's a premium monitor and they ALREADY have the internals to handle it and ALL OTHER major monitors have that functionality". Sometimes when I work, I'll devote an iPad to having a movie playing or something as background. Being able to switch from computer input and just run a movie off of Apple TV on the Studio Display would've been lovely. But nooooooo, lol.
 
Apple Studio Display is like all Apple products I've had - probably overpriced according to some, and great premium products that works great together with other Apple products, and definitely worth it to the later group.

I belong to the later group, and have never returned an Apple product because of any lack of quality.
I have shifted products a few times, but only on the upgrade scale, never on the downgrade one.

Apple Studio display is all to my satisfaction, and will last quite some time and longer than the Mac Studio. No complains, not even regarding the price, as I’ve Apple products awhile, and they last longer and give more quality then what I’ve heard from non-Apple users regarding their products.

Summarizing: Quality costs more. Pay it and enjoy, or buy non-quality and prepare for more troubles, buyers choice.
 
I haven't seen any negative reports :). I have seen a lot of folks comment about how there are third party displays that are "nearly as good" or a "better deal for the money" but many of them aren't as bright or don't allow changing the display brightness via the keyboard or can't change the sound output via keyboard or require special cables. The Studio Display has one glaring weakness from my perspective and that's the need to connect it via a thunderbolt cable. To me, that is a real flaw and it takes up a port and can't be chained. I have two of them connected to my Mac Studio and I roll my eyes at losing two thunderbolt ports due to that issue. Other than that, it's a wonderful display that is unequaled in its' integration and performance.
typing on my dell 4k which i can control brightness and sound with monitorcontrol4.0
 
The webcam gets a bad rap.

I hated the webcam at first. Got the display in June, but it seems like the latest update improved it to being passible. Should be better for the money though. Do love the display overall and ultimately the webcam isn't too important to me.
 
I've had it for a couple weeks and the quality of the image and the build are great. Considering I got it for $80 off at Best Buy and my TotalTech membership covers my Apple Care, I felt the price of this base model was fine when comparing the price of other 5K monitors that aren't as good and cost nearly as much. Those are the pluses.. Here are what I wish was different:

1. OS REQUIREMENT FOR A MONITOR - The OS requirement is silliness and it makes me worry that in a couple years Apple might declare that future OS's will NOT support this monitor.. I use this monitor for my 2021 MBP with no problem, but for work I also pair it with my 2017 iMac which I keep on Mojave to retain software that I need to use for various projects. I will be ready to upgrade the OS on this machine once I've wrapped up a couple of legacy projects on the 2018 version of Avid Media Composer, but until then I must stay on Mojave. The monitor DOES work on a basic level by displaying the content, and the speakers work fine too, but real odd things happen when you launch certain apps. Chrome absolutely crashes and will not work at all while the monitor is connected. This seems like a deliberate hobbling/planned obsoletism thing. There is zero reason a monitor can't just display stuff and not mess up the function of a computer that's only a few years old. It's a MONITOR ffs. That said, still worth it for me because I can work around it for now and I will update the OS in the foreseeable future anyway. And again, convince me that in 2025 Apple won't declare this monitor obsolete and no longer useable on future Macs. It's just silly.

2. HEIGHT TAX - I wanted the height stand, but I got the tilt stand because in my situation buying the height stand would've added $700 to my cost. Best Buy didn't have it, and buying from Apple would've meant missing out on the BB discount and included Apple Care, adding to the cost. But even putting that aside, the $400 premium for height adjustment is really such a cynical move on Apple's part. In the end I think I prefer the slimmer footprint and sturdier stance (I have a cat) of the tilt-only stand anyway, but still.

3. NO APPLE TV - It's beyond lunacy that they built this lovely screen that has a sophisticated chip inside of it plus more RAM than my iMac even has, but didn't include Apple TV functionality. Don't they want to sell subscriptions? One thing that ALMOST had me waiting on the new Samsung 5K is it comes with a remote and all major streaming apps built-in. The deal-breaker was I didn't want that matte screen. One might say, "Oh but it's for using on your computer, no streaming for you!", but one might also say "Hey, it's a premium monitor and they ALREADY have the internals to handle it and ALL OTHER major monitors have that functionality". Sometimes when I work, I'll devote an iPad to having a movie playing or something as background. Being able to switch from computer input and just run a movie off of Apple TV on the Studio Display would've been lovely. But nooooooo, lol.
My post was pretty positive on the ASD, but I have to agree with these points. The premium for height adjustability is absurd. And while that arm mechanism is incredibly nice, Apple has built similarly nice solutions before without any markup -- look for example at the half-dome iMac with its incredibly polished articulating arm design. Also, why the need to choose VESA or a stand at the time of purchase? Nearly every other maker allows the stand to be removed for VESA mounting, and Apple should have been able to design a cool approach to that issue.

And yes, it almost seems like Apple TV functionality was contemplated at some point and then dropped. This would have been such a wonderful addition, and such an easy one to add.

In short, I still really like it, but it could have been so much more.
 
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My post was pretty positive on the ASD, but I have to agree with these points. The premium for height adjustability is absurd. And while that arm mechanism is incredibly nice, Apple has built similarly nice solutions before without any markup -- look for example at the half-dome iMac with its incredibly polished articulating arm design. Also, why the need to choose VESA or a stand at the time of purchase? Nearly every other maker allows the stand to be removed for VESA mounting, and Apple should have been able to design a cool approach to that issue.

And yes, it almost seems like Apple TV functionality was contemplated at some point and then dropped. This would have been such a wonderful addition, and such an easy one to add.

In short, I still really like it, but it could have been so much more.
Yes, one really have to think through what/if it's worth the extra cream to for height-adjustable, as it isn’t changeable. I surely agree, it's crap when it costs what it does.
Bad engineering on Apple’s behalf. Surely that could’ve been done better?!
The height- adjustable display looks really beautiful though, so in that case it could be worth the extra cream, but to me it wasn’t when I bought my ASD. If I buy another it might, who knows?
I didn’t want the VESA, and still don’t want vesa arms around my working place. I rather have other arrangements to have changeable positions for tech in general and for displays as well.
 
Well, here's hoping for a v2 that delivers some nice features such as Mini LED backlight. LG has a new 5K panel in planning for 2024 that would fit the bill:

  • 27″ sized IPS Black panel with a 5K resolution and Mini LED backlight – This panel has a 5120 x 2880 resolution giving a very high pixel density of 218 PPI. Whether or not this is really needed when we already have high density 4K panels in this size is questionable in our opinion, although for professional work, it’s perhaps desirable to improve that further. The more interesting element to this new panel for us is that it will be based on LG.Display’s IPS Black technology and paired with a high-end Mini LED backlight. The Mini LED backlight is expected to have 1560 dimming zones which should offer impressive levels of control and dimming. Considering that the first generation of FALD backlights in this screen size had 384 zones when first released, this is a massive improvement. HDR1000 support is listed along with a 98% DCI-P3 colour gamut. This panel is only in planning stage at the moment with production penciled in for H1 2024 but very much TBC
Source: https://tftcentral.co.uk/news/lg-display-latest-lcd-panel-development-plans-march-2023
 
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