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hansokl

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Good morning all!

I’m thinking about getting a series 4 iWatch but never had one before (or any smart watch) and have a few questions.

I know I probably could google my questions but looking for opinions from current owners.

1) I’m assuming the iWatch won’t track an elliptical workout if I’m not moving my arms with the handlebars but can anyone confirm? - I know this may seem like a silly question but I’ll typically play Xbox while on elliptical. My arms and hands are definitely moving some but not with the handlebars.

2) Is it worth it to get the cellular version? Seems like the major advantage is going for a run and not having to take my phone... any other reasons?
- My wife and I have AT&T and have older plan (share 700 mins, unlimited text, and grandfathered unlimited data plan). I’m hoping it would just be $10 bucks to add on the watch but I’m guessing they will say my plan isn’t compatible.

3) Does anyone shower with it on? Maybe not a good idea but just curious.

4) Would you recommend apple care for it?

Thanks in advance for any help/advice!
 

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Can’t answer 1, as I don’t use the elliptical.

2. I didn’t bother with the cellular version, because I don’t leave the house without my phone, but if you like the idea of running with it and without your phone, a lot of people seem to like the freedom. FYI: you don’t have to activate it with AT&T; you can buy it and decide later if you want the cellular portion to work. And even without it activated, you’d be able to call 911, just like a phone with no plan.

3. I do shower with it, but it is not recommended, as Apple says that the soap and shampoo, etc. can get into the works and damage it over the long term. I had to weigh the advantages of wearing it if I slipped and got hurt in the shower vs. the possible damage due to soap. My life won. But I live alone and am disabled with a seriously damaged knee/leg and balance issues (among other things), so your calculation may be different.

4. I definitely got Apple Care. It’s worth it, just in case.
 
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Can’t answer 1, as I don’t use the elliptical.

2. I didn’t bother with the cellular version, because I don’t leave the house without my phone, but if you like the idea of running with it and without your phone, a lot of people seem to like the freedom. FYI: you don’t have to activate it with AT&T; you can buy it and decide later if you want the cellular portion to work. And even without it activated, you’d be able to call 911, just like a phone with no plan.

3. I do shower with it, but it is not recommended, as Apple says that the soap and shampoo, etc. can get into the works and damage it over the long term. I had to weigh the advantages of wearing it if I slipped and got hurt in the shower vs. the possible damage due to soap. My life won. But I live alone and am disabled with a seriously damaged knee/leg and balance issues (among other things), so your calculation may be different.

4. I definitely got Apple Care. It’s worth it, just in case.
Thanks for the responses... I really appreciate it! I need to look up the distance my phone needs to stay within the watch to stay paired... I have a large home and sometimes leave my phone downstairs/upstairs so it would be nice not to need my phone beside me. Not sure that is enough of a reason to get the cell version. Anytime I leave the house, I have my phone with me.

Hopefully someone can answer my first question. One of the main reasons I want one is to track workouts. Thanks again!
 

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Thanks for the responses... I really appreciate it! I need to look up the distance my phone needs to stay within the watch to stay paired... I have a large home and sometimes leave my phone downstairs/upstairs so it would be nice not to need my phone beside me. Not sure that is enough of a reason to get the cell version. Anytime I leave the house, I have my phone with me.

Hopefully someone can answer my first question. One of the main reasons I want one is to track workouts. Thanks again!
At your house, or your office, where your phone can connect to WiFi you don’t have to worry about BT distance between the watch and the phone because the watch will use the WiFi the phone use.

As for the 1st question I can’t answer for you either even though I work out on Elleptical regularly and never use handlebar because my hands still move naturally like I was running. I’d imagine if your hands stay still the watch will simply not think you’re exercising? I may try it to see one day.
 
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I bought my first Apple Watch a few months ago. Got the 44mm LTE version. I love it. I just looked at the watch and it does have a choice for elliptical workout and "other" workout which might work for your modified workout. I have no experience with elliptical workouts. My knees can't take it.

The convenience of not having to take my phone everywhere is a great feature. Answering a call and talking to your watch in public is a bit strange, but no more strange than people walking around and seemingly talking to themselves when they use AirPods to take a call.

I also like the ECG feature, and that the watch buzzes your arm if you get new mail or a text and don't hear your phone. When I wake in the morning, I can shut off the alarm on my phone using my watch. Saves having to scramble for the phone so as to not wake up my wife.

I also like the tracking feature. I use Strava to track my mountain bike rides. No need to bring my phone. I also connect my Bose headphones to the watch while at the gym. Again no need to lug my phone everywhere.

Before that I had the Garmin Fenix 3 watch. Also a great product with HR, and GPS, but it could not play music. I prefer the rugged look of the Garmin, but the Apple Watch is very sleek looking. I'll get used to it.
 
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I don’t know if this is relevant to your workout, but when I go grocery shopping I keep both hands on the cart, my arms don’t move, and it still counts my steps. That’s MY workout. :D
 
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I got a cellular just because I had to in order to get the stainless steel case, but I still haven’t activated it with my carrier. I wouldn’t use it enough without my phone to warrant the $13 /mo charge. I don’t take it in the shower because I want to keep it as nice as possible, but I suppose you could. I haven’t gotten AppleCare+ yet but I think it will, it’s cheaper now and it’s worth it for the Stainless Steel Watch.
 
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I’m a retired radiation protection professional. There’s no known carcinogenic connection/risk accepted by the radiation protection community WRT non-ionizing radiation, IOW, there are no limits based on carcinogenic effects.

From the American Cancer Society:

‘As noted above, the RF waves given off by cell phones don’t have enough energy to damage DNA directly or to heat body tissues. Because of this, it’s not clear how cell phones might be able to cause cancer. Most studies done in the lab have supported the idea that RF waves do not cause DNA damage.’

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/radiation-exposure/cellular-phones.html

I doubt that this will convince anyone but at any rate, you’ll have a difficult time finding any credible study that suggests a carcinogenic relationship. The studies cited in the link above may suggest something to study further, but the ACS also notes that all of these studies have limitations which could be disqualifying.
 

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I love the freedom of the LTE version and the series 4 has way better reception that the series 3.
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At your house, or your office, where your phone can connect to WiFi you don’t have to worry about BT distance between the watch and the phone because the watch will use the WiFi the phone use.

As for the 1st question I can’t answer for you either even though I work out on Elleptical regularly and never use handlebar because my hands still move naturally like I was running. I’d imagine if your hands stay still the watch will simply not think you’re exercising? I may try it to see one day.
Thanks! Assuming both would need to be on same WiFi network... I have an access point for downstairs and one upstairs (both utilizing 2.4 and 5ghz bands so technically 4 SSIDs). I force the APs to drop the device if the signal strength goes below a certain level so my devices will automatically connect to the closest AP.

My arms sway a little so was just curious if it would track it. If you get around to trying it out, I would love to know.
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I bought my first Apple Watch a few months ago. Got the 44mm LTE version. I love it. I just looked at the watch and it does have a choice for elliptical workout and "other" workout which might work for your modified workout. I have no experience with elliptical workouts. My knees can't take it.

The convenience of not having to take my phone everywhere is a great feature. Answering a call and talking to your watch in public is a bit strange, but no more strange than people walking around and seemingly talking to themselves when they use AirPods to take a call.

I also like the ECG feature, and that the watch buzzes your arm if you get new mail or a text and don't hear your phone. When I wake in the morning, I can shut off the alarm on my phone using my watch. Saves having to scramble for the phone so as to not wake up my wife.

I also like the tracking feature. I use Strava to track my mountain bike rides. No need to bring my phone. I also connect my Bose headphones to the watch while at the gym. Again no need to lug my phone everywhere.

Before that I had the Garmin Fenix 3 watch. Also a great product with HR, and GPS, but it could not play music. I prefer the rugged look of the Garmin, but the Apple Watch is very sleek looking. I'll get used to it.
Thanks! Yeah I've wondered if I would answer many calls with the watch or not... Thats good to know about ability to turn off phone alarm with the watch
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I don’t know if this is relevant to your workout, but when I go grocery shopping I keep both hands on the cart, my arms don’t move, and it still counts my steps. That’s MY workout. :D
lol thanks! It may work then
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I’m a retired radiation protection professional. There’s no known carcinogenic connection/risk accepted by the radiation protection community WRT non-ionizing radiation, IOW, there are no limits based on carcinogenic effects.

From the American Cancer Society:

‘As noted above, the RF waves given off by cell phones don’t have enough energy to damage DNA directly or to heat body tissues. Because of this, it’s not clear how cell phones might be able to cause cancer. Most studies done in the lab have supported the idea that RF waves do not cause DNA damage.’

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/radiation-exposure/cellular-phones.html

I doubt that this will convince anyone but at any rate, you’ll have a difficult time finding any credible study that suggests a carcinogenic relationship. The studies cited in the link above may suggest something to study further, but the ACS also notes that all of these studies have limitations which could be disqualifying.
I actually work for ACS (just IT though)
 
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I’m a retired radiation protection professional. There’s no known carcinogenic connection/risk accepted by the radiation protection community WRT non-ionizing radiation, IOW, there are no limits based on carcinogenic effects.

From the American Cancer Society:

‘As noted above, the RF waves given off by cell phones don’t have enough energy to damage DNA directly or to heat body tissues. Because of this, it’s not clear how cell phones might be able to cause cancer. Most studies done in the lab have supported the idea that RF waves do not cause DNA damage.’

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/radiation-exposure/cellular-phones.html

I doubt that this will convince anyone but at any rate, you’ll have a difficult time finding any credible study that suggests a carcinogenic relationship. The studies cited in the link above may suggest something to study further, but the ACS also notes that all of these studies have limitations which could be disqualifying.
oh, I am not arguing that they DO cause cancer I just worry about it.....I mean doctor's use to think Ciggs were OK....
 
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Thanks! Assuming both would need to be on same WiFi network... I have an access point for downstairs and one upstairs (both utilizing 2.4 and 5ghz bands so technically 4 SSIDs). I force the APs to drop the device if the signal strength goes below a certain level so my devices will automatically connect to the closest AP.

My arms sway a little so was just curious if it would track it. If you get around to trying it out, I would love to know.
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Thanks! Yeah I've wondered if I would answer many calls with the watch or not... Thats good to know about ability to turn off phone alarm with the watch
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lol thanks! It may work then
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I actually work for ACS (just IT though)
Good morning all!

I’m thinking about getting a series 4 iWatch but never had one before (or any smart watch) and have a few questions.

I know I probably could google my questions but looking for opinions from current owners.

1) I’m assuming the iWatch won’t track an elliptical workout if I’m not moving my arms with the handlebars but can anyone confirm? - I know this may seem like a silly question but I’ll typically play Xbox while on elliptical. My arms and hands are definitely moving some but not with the handlebars.

2) Is it worth it to get the cellular version? Seems like the major advantage is going for a run and not having to take my phone... any other reasons?
- My wife and I have AT&T and have older plan (share 700 mins, unlimited text, and grandfathered unlimited data plan). I’m hoping it would just be $10 bucks to add on the watch but I’m guessing they will say my plan isn’t compatible.

3) Does anyone shower with it on? Maybe not a good idea but just curious.

4) Would you recommend apple care for it?

Thanks in advance for any help/advice!
There is an elyptical option in the workout app. I use it extensively, however, the calorie burn on the watch is lower than what the machines show. This is probably true for most of the workout activities.
 
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There is an elyptical option in the workout app. I use it extensively, however, the calorie burn on the watch is lower than what the machines show. This is probably true for most of the workout activities.
Thanks! That's good to know.

Sorry for being a newbie when it comes to the iWatch... What is deal with charging? I currently have Belkin Boost Up 10w chargers. Do those work with the series 4 watch or what options do I have?
 

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Thanks! That's good to know.

Sorry for being a newbie when it comes to the iWatch... What is deal with charging? I currently have Belkin Boost Up 10w chargers. Do those work with the series 4 watch or what options do I have?
Your best option is to use the OEM charger that is included, there are third-party chargers that may work through inductive charging, but I wouldn’t rely on them.
 
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Apple Watch tracks total time spend on the elliptical, it doesn't matter whether your arms are in motion or on the stationary bars found on most machines.

I used a Series 2 and now a Series 4 both without LTE since my phone goes with me always.

The appeal for functionality is there, but the additional monthly fees are not for me.

I would never consider showering with it on, although I have seen where some forum members do. Bands can be cleaned easily with mild soap and water removed from the watch.

Absolutely get Apple Care, it's a nice piece of mind.

Agree, use the standard charging cable that comes with it.

I choose the aluminum versions and have used screen protectors on both Series 2 and Series 4. As a result the screens are in perfect condition, just as the day I bought them. If you are considering one, I have had great experiences with Armorsuit, available on Amazon. I've had my Series 4 since October 17th and just yesterday saw a bit of white paint on it from a door frame that I inevitably bumped into. It scraped off with just a fingernail.

Let us know what you end up with and your thoughts after having used it.
 

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Thanks! Assuming both would need to be on same WiFi network... I have an access point for downstairs and one upstairs (both utilizing 2.4 and 5ghz bands so technically 4 SSIDs). I force the APs to drop the device if the signal strength goes below a certain level so my devices will automatically connect to the closest AP.
They do not need to be on the same network. The watch will join known networks. As long as you’ve joined once with your phone, the watch will auto-join when in range. The phone doesn’t even need to be in the same zip code.
 

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Thanks! Assuming both would need to be on same WiFi network...
What @Mw0103 said. It doesn’t have to be on the same network as long as the watch know the WiFi. For example, your watch will work just fine on your home network even though you forgot your phone at the office.
 
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Thanks! Assuming both would need to be on same WiFi network... I have an access point for downstairs and one upstairs (both utilizing 2.4 and 5ghz bands so technically 4 SSIDs). I force the APs to drop the device if the signal strength goes below a certain level so my devices will automatically connect to the closest AP.
They do not need to be on the same network. The watch will join known networks. As long as you’ve joined once with your phone, the watch will auto-join when in range. The phone doesn’t even need to be in the same zip code.
An interesting note is that the Apple Watch won't connect to a 5ghz Wi-Fi network, so make sure you have the 2.4ghz network name and password in iCloud Keychain so the watch will join it even when your phone is on the 5ghz network.
 

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Your best option is to use the OEM charger that is included, there are third-party chargers that may work through inductive charging, but I wouldn’t rely on them.
Thanks for the response! I'll be fine with using the OEM charger but would be nice if the charging pads I had already would work.
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Apple Watch tracks total time spend on the elliptical, it doesn't matter whether your arms are in motion or on the stationary bars found on most machines.

I used a Series 2 and now a Series 4 both without LTE since my phone goes with me always.

The appeal for functionality is there, but the additional monthly fees are not for me.

I would never consider showering with it on, although I have seen where some forum members do. Bands can be cleaned easily with mild soap and water removed from the watch.

Absolutely get Apple Care, it's a nice piece of mind.

Agree, use the standard charging cable that comes with it.

I choose the aluminum versions and have used screen protectors on both Series 2 and Series 4. As a result the screens are in perfect condition, just as the day I bought them. If you are considering one, I have had great experiences with Armorsuit, available on Amazon. I've had my Series 4 since October 17th and just yesterday saw a bit of white paint on it from a door frame that I inevitably bumped into. It scraped off with just a fingernail.

Let us know what you end up with and your thoughts after having used it.
Thanks for all the details! I like the Space Gray Aluminum with black sport loop and as of now I'm leaning towards no LTE. My wife and I are going to buy each other one for Christmas lol.. She currently has Series 2 and complains about the battery life all the time.
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They do not need to be on the same network. The watch will join known networks. As long as you’ve joined once with your phone, the watch will auto-join when in range. The phone doesn’t even need to be in the same zip code.
Sweet! That's great that I won't have to worry about it
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An interesting note is that the Apple Watch won't connect to a 5ghz Wi-Fi network, so make sure you have the 2.4ghz network name and password in iCloud Keychain so the watch will join it even when your phone is on the 5ghz network.
Thanks! That is interesting for sure... I utilize 5ghz for every for all my devices unless no support for it.
 

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Thanks for all the details! I like the Space Gray Aluminum with black sport loop and as of now I'm leaning towards no LTE. My wife and I are going to buy each other one for Christmas lol.. She currently has Series 2 and complains about the battery life all the time.
I have just had that version (series 4 44mm aluminium space gray GPS with black sports loop) and it’s beautiful, you will not be disappointed at all, calls work great in my home while my iPhone is on the side, texts seem to work fine too, I wouldn’t use it to ring while I’m out and about as I always have my phone with me, I think the LTE version has its merits but only if you leave your phone at home often, otherwise the GPS will do just fine and you save some cash.

Adam.
 

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Thanks for all the details! I like the Space Gray Aluminum with black sport loop and as of now I'm leaning towards no LTE. My wife and I are going to buy each other one for Christmas lol.. She currently has Series 2 and complains about the battery life all the time.
No LTE will be fine for you if you’re carrying your phone while out. I’d say LTE version is mostly for runner. If you don’t run outdoor enough then just save the money.
 
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No LTE will be fine for you if you’re carrying your phone while out. I’d say LTE version is mostly for runner. If you don’t run outdoor enough then just save the money.
Yep! Definitely decided to go with the non cell version.
 
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Workout tracking will know whether your hands are moving (i.e., the Watch will automatically identify that you are exercising faster if the exercise involves moving hands), but it's pretty smart anyway. For example, if I go on an outdoor walk with my hands in my pockets, it still identifies what I'm doing as an outdoor walk. That said, for something like elliptical training, it's always better to manually start the workout on your watch when you start training. It will notice the heart rate increase either way but it will have accurate timing if you tell it.

I have showered with my watch on, but I usually don't. The water wouldn't hurt it but the soap eventually might.

I canceled my cellular service on my Watch and don't miss it. I still have phone conversations via my watch (i.e. at home whether or not my phone is with me, and away from home when I choose to leave my phone in a pocket or bag). OTOH, if you're a runner (etc.), it might sometimes be nice to have that functionality. Just depends.

I didn't get Apple Care in time so I don't have it, but I have a friend who cracked her screen (she had a non-SS/crystal model, obviously) and Apple Care fixed it for her. So it's probably a good idea.
 
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