Watchdog Investigation Finds 'Major Weaknesses' in Apple's App Store Child Safety Measures

[VulchR]

We both have the same set of facts available to us concerning what Apple is doing here. I'm taking them at face value. You're reading into them and committing the slippery slope fallacy. Since your argument is based on logical fallacy and you're persistent in it, there's no point in further discussion, as we have left the realm of rationality.

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Agreed - you are taking things at face value. I hope you are right and I am wrong.

 

[VulchR]

Vote with your wallet? Will you do it?

I was going to upgrade my mobile phone this year as getting either an iPad or a MacBook. I love the Apple ecosystem and having been using their computers since the 1980's, so getting new Apple kit seeemd like a no-brainer. However, I believe they have not thought through the implications of what they are proposing to do. They've crossed a threshold that is likely to have implications far beyond detecting CSAM. So for now I am leaning toward not upgrading my phone and I am certainly not buying an iPad or MacBook. Will I divest entirely from the Apple ecosystem? Probably not fully, because I use Apple products at work.

Something tells me there's LINUX at home for me in the future. I used to work on workstations using various flavours of UNIX before, and occasionally I use C-shell and AWK (yes, AWK) on the Mac, so that might work out OK. Honestly, though, I wish Apple would just reverse their decision.

 

[laptech]

The problem with todays society is that they are extremely reluctant to blame the parents of children who cause problems or do wrong. If a child misbehaves in class, it's the teachers fault, if a child becomes a bully, it's the education system and councils fault for not providing all the right stuff for the child, education, after school activities. If a child steals, it's the fault of the education system for not teaching them properly. If a child accesses adult realted material, it's the fault of the tech company. When is society going to start blaming the parents?

In defense of parents, children go to school to get educated. When you start a new job, the employer trains you but when you have a baby, there is nothing, your left to your own devices. Parents need education too on how to become a parent. Experts saying parenting is hard so if that is the case then why doesn't the educaion system create courses for parents on how to become a parent. It is compulsory for children to get an education therefore make it compulsory for parents to take parenting courses because there are many many parents out there who want to be good parents but just do not know how to.

With that said, parents will still need to take responsibility for their children. Tech companies that offer adult related material should provide an age restriction system that has one sign up feature that only an adult has control over, say a drivers licence or tax ID or some other ID that is unique only to an adult. Then when childrens charities and childrens groups complain of children being able to access adult related material, the tech companies can say 'How?, it requires a specific adult piece of information only known to an adult to create an account thus how was the child able to create an account?' that way it will shut up the childrens charities and childrens groups from focusing on tech companies when they should be focusing on the parents.

Put the right systems in place otherwise tech companies will always get the brunt of complaints.

 

[klunernet]

So, people get upset because you need to actually turn on parental controls for parental controls to work?

(as in: actually perform a conscious effort! Le gasp!)

Americans and their child control... *sigh* EDUCATE your children. My daughter has NO parental controls on her devices. (our age advisories are rather different too. 18+ in the USA usually is like 14+ here).Explicit lyrics? No problem unless you start slinging them around at others. ( then very predictably and warned about in advance, privileges are taken away ).

 

[Scottsoapbox]

You’re right, my bad. While we’re add it, let’s add facial recognition to television sets to make sure the kiddos aren’t watching mature content. For the kids. Let’s take as much responsibility away from the parents as possible.

The tired parents' responsibility argument? Really?

Let's apply that elsewhere and see how much sense it makes:

While we're at it let's require stores to verify ages before selling alcohol or tobacco to minors. For the kids. Let’s take as much responsibility away from the parents as possible.

I mean, my gosh, why should we even consider the companies that have a financial incentive to sell things to people that aren't supposed to might do just that. Obviously, parents are only good parents if they constantly follow their -potentially multiple- children around constantly to ensure companies aren't breaking the law. I mean, it's not like the law is actually written specifying the seller of the goods -oh wait it is- well ignore that bit and #responsibility parents.

 

[adib]

I was going to upgrade my mobile phone this year as getting either an iPad or a MacBook. I love the Apple ecosystem and having been using their computers since the 1980's, so getting new Apple kit seeemd like a no-brainer. However, I believe they have not thought through the implications of what they are proposing to do. They've crossed a threshold that is likely to have implications far beyond detecting CSAM. So for now I am leaning toward not upgrading my phone and I am certainly not buying an iPad or MacBook. Will I divest entirely from the Apple ecosystem? Probably not fully, because I use Apple products at work.

Something tells me there's LINUX at home for me in the future. I used to work on workstations using various flavours of UNIX before, and occasionally I use C-shell and AWK (yes, AWK) on the Mac, so that might work out OK. Honestly, though, I wish Apple would just reverse their decision.

He's a real UNIX man
Sitting in his UNIX LAN
Making all his UNIX plans
For nobody.

Knows the blocksize from du(1)
Cares not where /dev/null goes to
Isn't he a bit like you
and me?

UNIX man, please listen(2)
My lpd(8) is missin'
UNIX man,
The wo-o-o-o-orld is at(1) your command.

He's as wise as he can be
Uses lex and yacc and C
UNIX Man, can you help me At all?

UNIX Man, don't worry
Test with time(1), don't hurry
UNIX Man
The new kernel boots, just like you had planned.

He's a real UNIX Man
Sitting in his UNIX LAN
Making all his UNIX plans for nobody. . .
Making all his UNIX plans for nobody. . .