How important are they really on a smartwatch?security updates.
How important are they really on a smartwatch?security updates.
Please explain how that's competition, if it was competition, Apple would be motivated to increase the years of support to compete with their competitors........they have not done so in the history of Windows vs Mac existence.This does not support their argument. You just described competition, not planned obsolescence.
Android has not "surpassed" iOS for updates. Neither Samsung nor Google, the two claiming 7 years of support, have actually done it yet. On the flip side, Apple has several times. For example, consider the iPhone 5s, which released in Sept. 2013 and received its latest security patch in early 2023. And more recently, the iPhone X. On its 7th year: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT214063.
We also don't know how well Samsung phones and Google phones will hold up as they reach the end of support, nor do we know if either company will backtrack or just end up providing an extra year or two of security updates to reach the 7 year mark.
How is it wrong? And what's a "good" comparison?lol this is hilariously wrong and a bad comparison.
Windows is largely backward compatible going back decades and previous iterations of Windows have been supported for many more years than any iteration of Mac.Hmmm…
Windows 11 and macOS Ventura both supported the exact same hardware from my understanding, mostly because of Intel dropping drivers support for SkyLake and earlier chips in 2022.
Also, while Google and Samsung have *said* they will support some 2023 and 2024 devices for seven years of updates, that has not happened yet.
As it is, right now they’re just talking the talk, in seven years we will see if they have actually walked the walk.
Apple actually does have several devices that they have supported for 7+ years, including the 2007 iMac and MacBook Pros which went from from Tiger to El Capitan, which was 2007 to 2015+ until 2018 with security updates, for a total of 11 years.
The 2012 MacBook Pro, which received all the way from Lion to Big Sur, so again a total of 11 years of security updates.
The iPad Air2, which came out in 2014 running iOS 8.1 and went all the way to 15 and literally received a security update (15.8.2) literally last month.
And the iPhone 6S, which came out in 2015, went all the way to iOS 15 and again, received a security update just last month.
When they’re actually is an android phone that has received seven years of updates, that will actually mean something. Until then, as far as we know, it could just go to the land of decades and decades of google broken promises.
No such thing as unplanned obsolescence in the case of software and security support. There can certainly be unplanned product obsolescence in such cases of uncompetitive or unpopular products but it's clearly a choice to drop support for devices at a software/security level.So how do you distinguish between unplanned obsolescence and planned obsolescence in this case?
long updates r useless unless u have replaceable batteries and EU will soon force this on all phones.Please explain how that's competition, if it was competition, Apple would be motivated to increase the years of support to compete with their competitors........they have not done so in the history of Windows vs Mac existence.
Whether Google or or Samsung have "done it" yet is irrelevant - it will happen. Manufacturers running Android such as Google and Samsung among others make top notch devices, I used my first smartphone - Galaxy S4 for 5 years before upgrading to a Galaxy S9+, which i used for over 5 years and am actually still using as a secondary phone going on almost 7 years behind my now primary iPhone 13.
Absolutely zero issue with product longevity.
The fact it’s connected to your smart phone that has all of your data, payments, emails, and more via Bluetooth… I’d say pretty important.How important are they really on a smartwatch?
I'm not sure how you define support. I have a bunch of XP instances that work, but saying that they're supported is stretching it.Windows is largely backward compatible going back decades and previous iterations of Windows have been supported for many more years than any iteration of Mac.
Apple dropping support just means no more newer features that comes with newer OS versions. Everything you currently use should keep working for years to come and Apple will keep releasing security fixes for them.I get the business case here for Apple -- but seriously, for a WATCH, they can't even support an older version's basic ability to even just show the current time and date?
My old Casio G-Shocks never had this problem. /ducks
Shorter battery life and slowdown. I have the 4 and plan to replace it with the 14.As an owner of the Series 3, what am I missing with the newer models and software updates?
Except, they dont need to “ending support after 2 years”. They just don’t shovel a barrage of new features onto old devices, knowing full well it won’t run, thus via no-downgrade update, ruining the device in the process.except, ending support after 2 years would generate more device sales than 5 years of feature updates with alleged slowdowns so that argument doesn't make sense. people want the newest iOS features
it's a wrong comparison. macOS releases every year. windows doesn't.How is it wrong? And what's a "good" comparison?
have no idea what your argument is here.Except, they dont need to “ending support after 2 years”. They just don’t shovel a barrage of new features onto old devices, knowing full well it won’t run, thus via no-downgrade update, ruining the device in the process.
whenever someone accuses Apple of doing planned obsolescence, years of software updates immediately destroy their argument.
Your definition of update is different from what My definition is. My original argument is they don’t release new features to existing watches 2-3 years after the initial release, but continue to provide bug fixes and security updates for another 2-3 years, still 5-6 years of software support but make old devices more useable.have no idea what your argument is here.
2 years of updates would drive more device sales over 5 years of updates. you're arguing 5 years of updates is done to drive more sales when really 2 years of updates would do more, yet Apple chose the former which yields less device updates.
2 years would have been in line with other Android devices before competition forced Android companies to provide more years of updates.
I just so hope they re-design the Smart Stack with watchOS 11
Are you really trying to get into semantics - that's your effort to undermine my argument? Give me a single example of where Mac is supported for more years than Windows.I'm not sure how you define support. I have a bunch of XP instances that work, but saying that they're supported is stretching it.
Likewise vendors may update their drivers. Is that considered "support?"
And having worked in the enterprise space for many years, I'd dispute the "largely backwards compatible going back decades."
Mac release schedule doesn't refute my point or diminish it in anyway, and saying it's a "wrong comparison" isn't a valid argument.it's a wrong comparison. macOS releases every year. windows doesn't.
Your definition of update is different from what My definition is. My original argument is they don’t release new features to existing watches 2-3 years after the initial release, but continue to provide bug fixes and security updates for another 2-3 years, still 5-6 years of software support but make old devices more useable.
You on the other hand consider current model of shoving new features to everyone regardless of the generation of the device as ”proper software support to supported devices” which I am against.