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water cooled to the max!

He "blew up" both his original graphics cards whilst building it. Oookay :rolleyes:

Apple already used water cooling on a Power Mac G5 model and it was a disaster with many systems leaking as they aged. Wouldn't touch 'em with a bargepole.
 
Yeah the PM G5s (watercooled ones), have a 100% failure rate after 2 years (IIRC), not a good statistic, for a professional machine too...

Although I do think we'll see watercooling in laptops, given apples recent patent we can't be more than a few years off before the tech will need to be implemented, I'm guessing in the 17" MBP/iMac first, then spreading to other/all units over a few years, it's the only way we can keep on pushing CPU speeds up.

EDIT: As A side note, I've been thinking about how difficult it would be to fit a watercooler into a current MBP, I guess once I get a new machine, several years from now, it would be a fun project to attempt, or buy a throw away iBook, if it works, it would be amazing, if not, no big loss. (I'm actually quite competent at CAD programs, and wouldn't be doing this on a "let's get the parts and see if they fit basis", it would be very well organised. Might be fun to try one day.
 
Beat me to it!

I was going to post this story as well but you beat me to it, its an amazing project and the graphics on that game look amazing.
I'm not quite familiar with over-clocking CPU's but is it possible to do on all computers? and is it a code hack in the system?
Using water in computers is quite amazing a lot of supercomputers use it as well, of course its dangerous but as some one mentioned before they may have to use it so that computers can move forwards.
Any pics or links to macs with water cooling systems?
 
jgbhardy said:
Using water in computers is quite amazing a lot of supercomputers use it as well, of course its dangerous but as some one mentioned before they may have to use it so that computers can move forwards.
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Water-cooling is moving backward. It's a worthless, dangerous waste.

Any pics or links to macs with water cooling systems?
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PowerMac G5:

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And one after the coolant has LEAKED. Which it DOES:

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Tallest Skil said:
Water-cooling is moving backward. It's a worthless, dangerous waste.
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Backwards? As in tried in the G5, and not too successfully?

I'm not a big fan of water cooling, so don't consider this an argument. :D Too expensive, larger, wastes internal space, and more complicated, increasing the number of things that can go wrong (coolant & electronics don't do well in direct contact; leaks :().

To me, the relative simplicity of forced air is a better way to go. At least it won't short out anything it comes into contact with (air, not the aluminum or copper used to make the heatsink/fins/...). :p Cheaper is also nice. :D
 
my computer had some of that white stuff on the bottom of the machine... i didn't realize that it was apparently leaking. i regret selling it as a paperweight to somebody who probably got apple to fix it for free. *#$%.
 
Water + electronics = bad. I don't know what they do for supercomputers, but for a home desktop PC, it's no good.

I like the "Overclocked Orange" pun, but liquid cooling, along with the see-through case and glowing fans is as silly as people who pimp out their cars with huge spoilers and whatnot (think "The Fast and the Furious"). Even if there is a powerful engine under the hood, it's just ridiculous.
 
This just goes to show you how outlandish the rumors can really be.
Sure, Apple will reintroduce a cooling method that has caused them to have to replace computers well out of warranty with machines that are ages ahead of the machines they're getting back. That'll happen!
 
Tallest Skil said:
Water-cooling is moving backward. It's a worthless, dangerous waste.
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LOL! Interesting view point. :confused:

Water cooling can be extremely effective at controlling temperatures and enabling maximum performance from your silicon without excessive noise.

I've water cooled my last two computers, the last one had 3 loops and enabled some sick overclocks on a 65nm quad core which is very difficult to keep under thermal control at higher voltages/clocks..

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You certainly can ruin electronics if you get them wet, but you can easily implement water cooling without endangering your electronics and with some regular maintenance (perhaps every 6-12 months) it will operate as good as new indefinitely.

Water cooling is not for everyone, but I would hardly call it a worthless, dangerous waste.

Cheers,
-Chris.
 
Schtumple said:
Yeah the PM G5s (watercooled ones), have a 100% failure rate after 2 years (IIRC), not a good statistic, for a professional machine too...<clip>
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I'm assuming you mean that number as a joke, but if not you do need to reduce it since I have a DP 2.7 with LCS that has pretty much been running 24/7 since I bought it in April 2005 when they were introduced with no problems- and at least three others I know (with various G5s with LCS) have not had any problems either to this point. I kept hoping mine would start leaking so that I might get in on the possibility of a MacPro replacement but finally gave up and bought a MP. I just let mine run (doing Folding) and use it occasionally to test out something that requires a PPC processor to test.
 
That wasn't a very good video. I got the impression he was far from an expert, which confirmed it. Especially the fact when he killed his graphic cards.

He also gave me the impression he was trying to be smart with the woman trying to give all the fancy tech words etc etc

She didn't have a scooby anyway, so he could have said anything and got away with it. Even though it would have been rehearsed. He sucked at that game as well. It was like he didn't know what to do.

Has he not heard of research before killing hardware though, no?...

sickmacdoc said:
I'm assuming you mean that number as a joke, but if not you do need to reduce it since I have a DP 2.7 with LCS that has pretty much been running 24/7 since I bought it in April 2005 when they were introduced with no problems- and at least three others I know (with various G5s with LCS) have not had any problems either to this point. I kept hoping mine would start leaking so that I might get in on the possibility of a MacPro replacement but finally gave up and bought a MP. I just let mine run (doing Folding) and use it occasionally to test out something that requires a PPC processor to test.
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...and me. My warranty is well over. Fast approaching 4 years come this summer.
 
sickmacdoc said:
I'm assuming you mean that number as a joke, but if not you do need to reduce it since I have a DP 2.7 with LCS that has pretty much been running 24/7 since I bought it in April 2005 when they were introduced with no problems- and at least three others I know (with various G5s with LCS) have not had any problems either to this point. I kept hoping mine would start leaking so that I might get in on the possibility of a MacPro replacement but finally gave up and bought a MP. I just let mine run (doing Folding) and use it occasionally to test out something that requires a PPC processor to test.
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Really? I guess I shouldn't base my perceptions on a few reports, that's like basing Apples entire QC reports based on forum posts... It's never accurate, the most recent story I read on it was utterly unrelated, but it was just a side note, that this tech lab had 10 or 11 G5s (water cooled), and they'd all died just after, or near the 2 year mark, in very close succession to each other...
 
Watercooling is really for the systems builders and gamers. BUT super computers have used it for years, Cray developed a liquid that has the same cooling property's as water yet it will NOT conduct electricity! People have sprayed it on running computer components and nothing happened. So it is an option.
Some company has built a computer submerged in liquid that you can buy.
 
VirtualRain said:
You certainly can ruin electronics if you get them wet, but you can easily implement water cooling without endangering your electronics and with some regular maintenance (perhaps every 6-12 months) it will operate as good as new indefinitely.

Cheers,
-Chris.
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Perhaps a crazy project could be done with a water based OC'd computer. Sub in silicone oil coolant, and either a small A/C or guts from a mini (dorm) fridge to construct a heat exchanger.

Result = Mini Cray. :eek: Cooling wise at least. :D :p
 
apolloa said:
Watercooling is really for the systems builders and gamers. BUT super computers have used it for years, Cray developed a liquid that has the same cooling property's as water yet it will NOT conduct electricity! People have sprayed it on running computer components and nothing happened. So it is an option.
Some company has built a computer submerged in liquid that you can buy.
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Mineral oil is the non conductive liquid that has been used for alternative cooling means in the hobbyist community by totally immersing the logic board, gpu, psu, etc.
 
Trip.Tucker said:
Mineral oil is the non conductive liquid that has been used for alternative cooling means in the hobbyist community by totally immersing the logic board, gpu, psu, etc.
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Readily Available = Check.
Cheap = Check.
Messy PITA = Oh yeah. :D

Though the explanation for a warranty return might be interesting to hear. :p
 
UltraNEO* said:
Wait...

...Water cooled...?

...noob!
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That was my thought at the beginning. Using liquid nitrogen for cooling is becoming an actually viable option.

Seriously, I don't see why someone doesn't just fabricate a processor out of Hg12Tl3Ba30Ca30Cu45O127, pop it in a test logic board that uses lab diamond instead of copper, et. al., cool it with liquid nitrogen, and fire it up to see the performance.

Because everyone knows that something of this nature would make the Gainestown Mac Pro look like an Apple ][ in comparison.
 
Tallest Skil said:
Seriously, I don't see why someone doesn't just fabricate a processor out of Hg12Tl3Ba30Ca30Cu45O127, pop it in a test logic board that uses lab diamond instead of copper, et. al., cool it with liquid nitrogen, and fire it up to see the performance.
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Why, that person should be you! Tallest.
 
Tallest Skil said:
That was my thought at the beginning. Using liquid nitrogen for cooling is becoming an actually viable option.

Seriously, I don't see why someone doesn't just fabricate a processor out of Hg12Tl3Ba30Ca30Cu45O127, pop it in a test logic board that uses lab diamond instead of copper, et. al., cool it with liquid nitrogen, and fire it up to see the performance.

Because everyone knows that something of this nature would make the Gainestown Mac Pro look like an Apple ][ in comparison.
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Hold your horses. Room temp superconductors are coming, so put the nitrogen away before you end up with frostbite. :eek: :D :p
 
Tallest Skil said:
The first room-temperature superconductors will probably be ceramics, again, like the first high-temperature superconductors were.

I'm guessing it's hard to make a processor out of ceramic, but I could be wrong. :D
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Ceramics aren't the easiest to work with. I looked a couple of weeks ago, and there's a researcher in (Japan?) that has created a new one that has higher temps than anything else yet created IIRC. (Turned up in a Google search).

The article indicated he's pursuing new variants based on metals. If successful, it would bode well IMO. :)
 
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