water cooled to the max!

Ceramics aren't the easiest to work with. I looked a couple of weeks ago, and there's a researcher in (Japan?) that has created a new one that has higher temps than anything else yet created IIRC. (Turned up in a Google search).

The article indicated he's pursuing new variants based on metals. If successful, it would bode well IMO. :)

See, now THIS is the future. Not more cores, because we'll eventually hit a physical limit there, not smaller manufacturing processes, because we'll hit a limit around 11 nanometers with the whole quantum tunneling nonsense...

Plus, we'll have IMMENSE amounts of heat to deal with.

The future is materials. Screw silicon. Screw copper. Processors made of a room-temperature superconductor and paths on logic boards printed in (well, since we're talking about room-temperature superconductors, now) that same superconductor.

Forget this gigatransfer business. We'll be in the yottatransfers for decades before the rest of the system technologies could catch up.
 
The future is materials. Screw silicon. Screw copper. Processors made of a room-temperature superconductor and paths on logic boards printed in (well, since we're talking about room-temperature superconductors, now) that same superconductor.

Yeah, for sure. physical limits of silicon are being reached, eventually parallel computing will get to the point where it'll become too inefficient to be worth it...
the future is in different materials.
hopefully they'll be recyclable too....
 
See, now THIS is the future. Not more cores, because we'll eventually hit a physical limit there, not smaller manufacturing processes, because we'll hit a limit around 11 nanometers with the whole quantum tunneling nonsense...

Plus, we'll have IMMENSE amounts of heat to deal with.

The future is materials. Screw silicon. Screw copper. Processors made of a room-temperature superconductor and paths on logic boards printed in (well, since we're talking about room-temperature superconductors, now) that same superconductor.

Forget this gigatransfer business. We'll be in the yottatransfers for decades before the rest of the system technologies could catch up.
Materials has always been the key. It's actually how I began. BS in Materials, then Computer Eng.

Silicon, and the current methodologies have their limits. This has been known for some time. A couple of alternative technologies are exist, or are in development. One, is taking the signal optical. A nice way to eliminate heat as an issue. I studied with Dr. Hummel at the University of Florida, and he perfected an optical design of IBM's 486 equivalent back in ('90?). It's advanced since then, but the only systems I'm truly aware of, are way beyond what is affordable to the masses. DOD territory, so the details are classified.

Another attempt, was to make the gates incredibly small. One molecule to be precise acting like a transistor (axial rotation with a wire at each end). It always reminded me of a compass with a wire at E and W. They were successful at developing the materials, and the process to do it, but IIRC, it was very difficult. Not sure if the existing form could be mass produced cheaply. It was called the Quantum Computer. Lucent and later, HP worked on it. I'm not sure what happened, as I haven't seen anything on it recently.

Silicon is already "dead". Hafnium is the current medium used in the current Intel parts (45nm). As for copper, not yet. IIRC, superconductor development is still looking hard at copper and nickel as it's base.

Personally, I think we'll continue to see multi core systems grow. Paralleling processors is a way to get around Moore's Law in terms of a single processor solution. Materials not yet available? Pair 'em. :p It'll get exponential, and eventually Moore's will catch up here as well. But it buys time to develop and refine other solutions. ;)

Now if software would catch up... :D :p
 
I was going to post this story as well but you beat me to it, its an amazing project and the graphics on that game look amazing.

Yes, Mirror's Edge is a beautiful game. It runs pretty decently on
a 2008 MP with the 8800GT, though no doubt its even better on
the rig in the video. Some details:

Texture Detail: Highest
Graphics Detail: Highest
Vsync: On
Anti-Aliasing: 4X
Resolution: 1680x1050
PhysX: Off

Framerate: generally in the 50-60fps range. It's limited to 60fps
max by the Vsync setting. Sometimes I run games at 1280x800
to keep the graphics card cool (fan doesn't spin up) :)

Here's a full-size screenshot (1.8MB) of it running at that resolution:

http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1AB7SyquLPLErg0vsqEcB3vaFjA7kC0
 
Water-cooling is moving backward. It's a worthless, dangerous waste.



PowerMac G5:

G5internalcooling2.jpg
g5_cooling_spy.jpg


And one after the coolant has LEAKED. Which it DOES:

_DSC6929_watercooling_minibook.jpg

Ah... techseekers.net. How i miss that site. Funnily enough i was just talking recently to a few people who worked with the guy who took those photo's and caused uproar in Apple at the time :D

Seems the group manager hasn't hired anyone since then, 5 years after the event :D
 
wow, great thread.
now if only there was a way to make qubit work properly, we'd be on the spot. :D
 
Why the hell did the BBC waste their time making and publishing an article about this? Water cooling has been around for decades. I cool my PC with water as well, can i get an article on the BBC site please? What mind numbing tosh.

"Such projects should only be carried out by qualified engineers in controlled conditions." The author who wrote this article obviously doesn't know a lot about computers. What am i supposed to do?!? go to a Nasa lab to replace my cooling fluid?!?

Oh ho ho i guess im now a qualified engineer in computer water cooling! :rolleyes:

You know what? My friend put a Q6600 quad core CPU in his computer the other day, did you know, Quad Core = Speed :eek: Wow lets tell the BBC so they can make an article about this new latest cutting edge quad core technology. :rolleyes:
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7909014.stm

crazy times.
did i hear that apple were thinking or looking into water cooling their systems?
it looks impressive but i would not want that much water near that much money.

I read that article. And cringed for the guy.

Water-cooling is moving backward. It's a worthless, dangerous waste.

I think you're failing to make a distinction between the viability of water cooling, and the viability of Apple building anything with water cooling. The latter may indeed be a worthless, dangerous waste.
 
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