We should all go to apple.com/feedback to complain about 2.0.1

[Jonbbas]

Speak for your self mine works fine. So I'm not sure what I going to complain about. I sure the vast majority of phones work fine.

I think the fix is that the nut from behind has to be removed

So your iPhone 3g default loads full HTML pages that have mobile versions?

 

[slapguts]

I'm blaming Apple because this hasn't happened in an entire year, and now it's happening? Why did it suddenly start defaulting to mobile sites THE DAY I upgraded to 2.0.1? Obviously you don't understand where I'm coming from.

And yes, by all means complain about your perfectly functional GPS, that would help out the Apple dev. team greatly.

According to you, I'm in a fractional minority (me), even though I've read several threads with similar complaints.

Becuase when you restarted your phone with the new firmware, it deleted your cache. Your phone no longer stored any of the code for the older versions of those sites. It started from scratch. Make sense yet?

 

[Jonbbas]

Becuase when you restarted your phone with the new firmware, it deleted your cache. Your phone no longer stored any of the code for the older versions of those sites. It started from scratch. Make sense yet?

That does sounds reasonable.

 

[Hutch1]

So your iPhone 3g default loads full HTML pages that have mobile versions?

Its not the the phones faulty, more websites are being coded to cater to mobile devices. The web site sees that you are using mobile safari, windows mobile ect. and loads the mobile site. Some sites allow you to then load the full site (facebook) some don't (nbcolympics.com).

 

[Jonbbas]

Well, every time I try to downgrade my 3g to 2.0, I get the good old 1013 error.

I've downloaded the firmware from several sources.

So it looks like 2.0.1 is where I'll be staying.

 

[marksman]

Try reading the whole thread next time.

I said that through the entire lifespan of my first gen, no site had EVER defaulted to mobile versions, and until 2.0.1, my iPhone 3g behaved the same way.

How could it be a webmasters fault when The problem JUST started happening after 2.0.1. Was ther some sort of top secret webmasters conference in conjunction with Apple to default all their pages to mobile versions after the firmware update?

I'm simply stating my experience with Safari on the iPhone.

In fact, the Apple Tech that I spoke with told me that Safari mobile site default, and i quote, "was a capability initiated with 2.0.1".

I just want this feature gone.

While you are entitled to your experiences and perceptions, your conclusions are wrong.

Clearly this is NOT a firmware issue. If you knew how and why websites are able to post mobile versions you would understand how this is not a firmware issue.

The fact that you did not hit any mobile sites before 2.0 is just dumb luck on your part, as many of us got many re-directs to mobile sites on the old software.

All you are seeing now is with the increased poplularity of the phone are more sites making and forcing mobile sites on iPhone users, thinking they are doing us a favor. But that is all that it is, and has NOTHING to do with the firmware.


Find someone with an old firmware and give them the website you get a mobile version on and they will see it too.

 

[Jonbbas]

While you are entitled to your experiences and perceptions, your conclusions are wrong.

Clearly this is NOT a firmware issue. If you knew how and why websites are able to post mobile versions you would understand how this is not a firmware issue.

The fact that you did not hit any mobile sites before 2.0 is just dumb luck on your part, as many of us got many re-directs to mobile sites on the old software.

All you are seeing now is with the increased poplularity of the phone are more sites making and forcing mobile sites on iPhone users, thinking they are doing us a favor. But that is all that it is, and has NOTHING to do with the firmware.


Find someone with an old firmware and give them the website you get a mobile version on and they will see it too.

Thanks for the constructive reply...and you're right, they probably think they're doing us a favor by offering mobile sites (or, most likely, they're catering to low end phones without full html capability)

BTW I must be one lucky guy

 

[JimmyCorrigan]

I'm in the same boat as the OP. The instant I updated to 2.0.1, the routing to mobile sites began. After reading through the thread, I guess it must be a coincidence, but it's still annoying as hell. I really wish there was a way to rectify this.

 

[Interstella5555]

I'm blaming Apple because this hasn't happened in an entire year, and now it's happening? Why did it suddenly start defaulting to mobile sites THE DAY I upgraded to 2.0.1? Obviously you don't understand where I'm coming from.

And yes, by all means complain about your perfectly functional GPS, that would help out the Apple dev. team greatly.

According to you, I'm in a fractional minority (me), even though I've read several threads with similar complaints.

Remember, those who have problems are much more vocal than those who don't. Having been stuck in mobile site hell (citysearch is a major offender) I DO understand where you're coming from, but again, it's not Apple's fault for this, it's how the server is reading the device/browser you're using. As others have said, complain to the site admin to put a link to the normal page on the mobile page.

Considering a search of the site for "mobile web site problems" netted 38 results on MacRumors, and 3 million 3G's alone have been sold, I do again think you are in the minority.

 

[deannnnn]

Do you think there is a way to trick websites into thinking that i'm running desktop safari?

Do you think apple would implement such an update?

Maybe using a jailbroken phone... but there is definitely no easy way as of right now.
Most websites give you the option to view the desktop version of a website.... I only know of one that does not, and that is Local10.com (my local ABC affiliate)

What websites are you trying to access that only display mobile versions?

 

[Jonbbas]

Remember, those who have problems are much more vocal than those who don't. Having been stuck in mobile site hell (citysearch is a major offender) I DO understand where you're coming from, but again, it's not Apple's fault for this, it's how the server is reading the device/browser you're using. As others have said, complain to the site admin to put a link to the normal page on the mobile page.

Considering a search of the site for "mobile web site problems" netted 38 results on MacRumors, and 3 million 3G's alone have been sold, I do again think you are in the minority.

I guess it never occurred to you that out of those 3 million 3g owners

MAYBE 3% of 3g iPhone owners browse mac forums

I guarantee 85% of iPhone 3g purchasers bought it because it was the "It" gadget to have, and they have no knowledge of the Safari issue b/c they probably don't even know how to set up their email or use the app store.

I still think Apple changed something with Safari in 2.0.1...I know all of you disagree with me...but seriously over a year with full default HTML sites, then update to 2.0.1 = Mobile web

I know you're going to rehash the webmaster control over mobile vs. desktop access...but don't bother.

As I've said like 3 times...

When I called apple tech support they said:

Safari mobile site default, and i quote, "was a capability initiated with 2.0.1".

 

[milani]

It is probably just coincidence that the website started redirecting you to the mobile version after you started running 2.0.1.

It's not so much a coincidence as an inevitability. Now that the money in the smart phone market is starting to reveal itself (both in products and in services) - as per the publishing of profits by choice iPhone developers, for instance - I can assure you that every website is chomping at the bit to develop a mobile footprint. Companies with a web presence would have to be insane to ignore growing user-demand for mobile content.

And so (this is directed to the thread starter), almost magically, websites are suddenly going mobile. Don't worry though most well developed websites have a link to the original XHTML version (which saves a cookie in Safari, meaning the next time you view the site you won't have to deal with a shotty mobile version. Even if firmware has something to do with it (in all likelihood, assuming it did, it was improved to better recognize websites that intended you to default to the mobile version all along), you can be sure that mobile browsing will improve - and that you'll still be able to choose full XHTML if you want.

 

[Jonbbas]

It's not so much a coincidence as an inevitability. Now that the money in the smart phone market is starting to reveal itself (both in products and in services) - as per the publishing of profits by choice iPhone developers, for instance - I can assure you that every website is chomping at the bit to develop a mobile footprint. Companies with a web presence would have to be insane to ignore growing user-demand for mobile content.

And so (this is directed to the thread starter), almost magically, websites are suddenly going mobile. Don't worry though most well developed websites have a link to the original XHTML version (which saves a cookie in Safari, meaning the next time you view the site you won't have to deal with a shotty mobile version. Even if firmware has something to do with it (in all likelihood, assuming it did, it was improved to better recognize websites that intended you to default to the mobile version all along), you can be sure that mobile browsing will improve - and that you'll still be able to choose full XHTML if you want.

Now see, that was a logical and polite response. I totally agree with you on the fact that all web devs are chomping at the bit to make mobile versions of their sites because of the burgeoning internet access from low end handsets. I even mentioned that earlier in this thread.

I appreciate it.

What I've been doing to my regularly visited sites that open in mobile form is, for example:

www.espn.com switches to www.m.espn.wirelesss...

Then I select to view in classic or html form and www.espn.go.com comes up, then I save that site to my Favorites folder

I do the same with cnn, ebay, etc.

I guess that's how I'll make do until, or if, they resolve this issue.

I think this thread can be put to bed now...unless someone else feels the need to wake it up

 

[theevilone]

Everthing works fine on my 2g. Glad I dumped att so I will not buy a defective 3g. Even some installer apps are starting to work.

 

[MathiasMag]

I'm in the same boat as the OP. The instant I updated to 2.0.1, the routing to mobile sites began. After reading through the thread, I guess it must be a coincidence, but it's still annoying as hell. I really wish there was a way to rectify this.

I don't think anyone is saying that it is a coincidence. WHat the thread says that the firmware itself is not at fault. Safari more than likely got update to identify itself properly. In 2.0 it may very well have send http headers that essentially said "I am a computer" and 2.0.1 may now send headers that says "I am a mobile device". It is of course not really that easy as it may before have sent headers that was slightly wrong and therefore websites defaulted to computer mode, and it was updated to send correct ones thus now getting identified as a mobile device.

The user agent trick works great on desktop with the plugin to let you state that you are using IE, mozilla, or opera, computer or mobile device as well as what versions of all of this you use. My understanding is that you are not allowed to use plugins with Safari on the iPhone. All of that changes of you have a jail broken iPhone, but I'm not doing that to my iPhone so I cannot talk about what you can do then.

I think Apple fixed a bug and we have to wait for websites to figure out how to present themselves to an iPhone. I think Google created a specific gtalk interface just for the iphone and I'd think it gets you there by default with the new headers (or at lest it could and should)