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Apple are no longer supporting the download section. No longer taking submissions and not updating it. This is why rumours started of a new App Store for OS X.

I just went to the Mac OS X Software Downloads page and tried to submit an application. It took me to the ADC form for submission. :confused:

Maybe they’re working on a better content management system? After all, http://www.apple.com/downloads/ is built-in to the Apple menu as “Mac OS X Software" on every Mac.
 
Because there are a lot of very good apps available around the Internet, but it takes luck or being in the know to find a lot of them. I think it would be a LOT tougher than the much-smaller apps for mobile devices, but I think it would be a great idea as long as it wasn't totally locked down like the iPad and iPhone stores.

yeh but the difference between os x and the iphone os is our mac operating system isn't tightly controlled... anyone can write an os x app and legitimately distribute it whereas to write and distribute an iphone app you have to go through apple. i think apple's focus here is ultimately getting content to the end user, not necessarily providing a market place for app developers. that being said, though, what's to stop any of us from creating a mac application market place on our own? i think it'd be a decent idea, maybe have a board of a independent folks to review different applications and rate/approve them...
 
Why is WOZ not welcome at Infinity Loop?

Is Woz banned from 1 Infinity Loop?
I have seen scenes of Woz at Apple stores and purchasing new Apple products before, and I have never understood why he must go this route.
Though he left the company and retired, he IS the co-founder of the original Apple Computer, Inc. Why can't this "great" guy go to his old stomping grounds and ask for a once-a-year meeting with his old partner, Steve, and simply get an iPad or whatever the latest new thing is?
It seems demeaning that Woz is simply part of the general public, standing in line at an Apple store. Can't Apple make him a PR-guy, an Apple evangelist, and give their co-founder the latest and greatest gadgets?

The way things are not with him feels wrong.
 
Too bad someone doesn't fire Steve Jobs.... What a jerk he is. You'd think someone that had a brush with death would be more grateful for life than that, but I guess megalomaniacs have no conscience. They take this ultra-secrecy thing way way too far.

Steve might have been helpful in resurrecting Apple, but I believe he's also limiting its potential at this stage. There's so many more things you could do with Macs if Apple didn't limit them to crap GPUs, crap OS support for those GPUs and a very tiny segment of hardware in general (i.e. no mid-range tower style equipment and no netbooks on the low-end). Yes, Apple makes money, if that's what you want to point out, but they could be making even MORE money while providing users with more options.
 
Too bad someone doesn't fire Steve Jobs....

The last time they did that Apple nearly died.. ;)

Yes, Apple makes money, if that's what you want to point out, but they could be making even MORE money while providing users with more options.

I'd rather Apple remain small. When you have tons of people to try and please, you end up pissing off all of them (or you end up with an SKU nightmare.. OS X Home Premium/Pro/Ultimate anyone?). It'd also be much easier to keep the quality of your products high.
 
Go Lufthansa. Don't hear about airlines behaving compassionately too often.

They are doing it for publicity plain and simple. Compassion has nothing to do with it.

And yeah....Apple seems like a really horrible place to work with such draconian policies.
 
I've had my issues with Apple's warranty practice, product quality, and customer support lately. So I'm sure many people will be quick to jump on me negatively for posting this, but they're honestly unrelated.

I really think this moves into a downright "evil" move. If a company itself cannot be evil (an interesting ethical question), then Steve Jobs certainly is acting evil. I wrote a ton more here:

http://markuhde.blogspot.com/2010/04/apple-evil.html

But the long story short is - what other company has contractors' employees committing suicide because they lost a prototype? What other company sees an engineer fired because he showed the company's cofounder an ANNOUNCED unreleased product? Where is the humanity?
 
Link to the suicide story please? I thought that was just an urban legend Apple haters spread around.

ETA: NVM I can google it thanks.
 
Well, an NDA is an NDA. Whether he meant it or not, the terms are very clear.

Yep. He apparently asked if it was okay to show an ipad to some folks in line as it was after midnight and didn't think it would be a huge deal if he took a 3g and not just a wifi only.

But it was. Possibly due to FCC issues that they weren't approved for use 'in the wild'

And that is different the iPhone guy. His was a more public mistake, but he was allowed to be using it where he was -- he was just stupid in leaving it there.

Assuming he left it and it wasn't found in his pocket. This is one of the concerns the DA is looking into. As we only have Gizmodo's version of the truth which seems to be changing daily. There is a strong belief that their public attitude about anything for a story, especially about Apple may have encouraged someone to directly steal the phone from the engineer. Or at the least the guy saw a chance for a free iphone (which is why he didn't give it to the staff etc) and lifted it and got very lucky.

Here's the Mac version of the app store, except it's in addition to other methods of acquiring software, not in place of.

http://www.apple.com/downloads/

Actually the talk is that they are phasing that section out. Because having it on their site implies some of kind review/approval which they don't do on Mac OS apps.

If you are pick pocketed, you go to the police; this guy called the bar.

Powell called the bar hoping it had just fallen out of his pocket. that's not illogical.

Also, do you know what the recovery rate for iphones reported to the police is. Zero. Any 'finder' with any sense knows to wipe the phone to cut off any 'find my iphone' type stuff. So it can't be location traced. And Apple won't hold a phone that comes up under another name because I might have sold you that phone but the registration was never transferred. The only real reason for a police report is if your insurance requires it to get them to pay for your replacement purchase.


Yes, Apple makes money, if that's what you want to point out, but they could be making even MORE money while providing users with more options.

You are welcome to that opinion but Apple doesn't agree and the buyers spending millions a year don't agree.

Personally I'm glad that Apple isn't just about making scads of money hand over fist. Tossing in everything can be a disaster. Yes it can be annoying that Apple does things slowly but generally it is done well when the time comes. So I can live with it. As can millions of others it seems

From Wozniak we know two things: He showed the iPad to Wozniak. He was fired.

And a 3rd thing, also from Wozniak. He has said that he was not told that it was a 3g unit and had he known he would have told the guy to turn it off and get it out of there because it couldn't be off campus at that point in time.

THAT is the issue that got the guy fired, not simply showing an ipad after midnight on release day.

No, it isn't. If you've ever done a product rollout of a tech product you would understand that the timing of release of information to the channel is critical. In the specific example you've cited, providing any information provided to the "geniuses" is pretty much equivalent to releasing the information to the general public. There's no way to control information once it is provided to 1000 retail employees.

Exactly.

Plus I'm sure that some information is received before hand. Video, training sheets etc. I doubt there's ever been a product that released that they knew absolutely nothing about before hand.

And if you shop with Apple enough you know that for the first week if not two when something comes out the 'repair' is simply to replace the whole unit, generally with another one off the sales shelf. Which doesn't require a lot of training to do. During that time, the techs can do any training they need.
 
You are welcome to that opinion but Apple doesn't agree and the buyers spending millions a year don't agree.

So now you're speaking for millions of buyers? I mean how the heck do you come to that conclusion? Offering MORE options doesn't mean current buyers wouldn't welcome more choices. I own a MBP, but I wanted a cheaper Netbook that I could take on vacations without risking a $2000 notebook. I had ZERO options from Apple. So I bought a cheap Dell and it seems that with a little hacking, it runs OSX just fine. I guess Apple prefers getting no sale in that situation. Oh well.

I'm currently gaming on my AMD Windows machine, but it's starting to be getting a bit long in the tooth. What machine from Apple can I use to replace it with? A Mac Pro? At over $3k for a usable machine, there is just no fraking way. I can build a Hackintosh for $1200 that would be faster for gaming than a Mac Pro and even have SLI when booted into Windows (still plenty of games even with Steam coming out that aren't available for the Mac). Once again, I guess Apple would rather not have a sale than offer a reasonable machine. So frankly, this idea that somehow because Apple is making money that they cannot do better or serve their customers better is just plain ridiculous.
 
Guys can we please **** off this open-ended circular argument for now?

To summarise:
• Apple often do go without ace hardware features, like giving users the option of an extra USB port here and there, or a better GPU, that people are willing to pay for. This can be frustrating as hell. Fact
• You can get a better deal on hardware if you build it yourself. Fact
• The Apple experience is a premium one, and it is a matter of opinion whether it is worth compromising on the above 2 points for the better user experience that Mac OS X on legit hardware provides. Fact.

Your points have been made, but you will not convince each other. Can we please get back on topic? :)
 
10.7 has an app store, but it won't be the only way you're allowed to install apps. It'll be optional, and a very popular option I suspect, since it will provide automatic installation, upgrading, removal, and purchasing (for installation and in-app purchases) through your iTunes account. (It's not going to be part of iTunes, I think it's its own program for now.) Devs will have to go through the same kind of approval process as the current app store, as with the OS X Downloads site that they'll be phasing out, but they won't stop you from installing software from other sources.

So technically Steve wasn't lying, if the "nope" was to the conjunction of the two parts of the rumor ("there will be a Mac App Store and no software without authorization from Apple will run on Mac OS X").
 
^ Once again, if the Mac App Store were optional:
• You don't get the benefit of a one-stop shop for apps
• Paid apps will not go through this system, as developers aren't going to voluntarily lose 30% of their sales money OR hike the price up by 43% to make the same profits they otherwise would.

If the Mac App Store were mandatory:
• Mac OS X, as we know it, would be dead.
 
• Paid apps will not go through this system, as developers aren't going to voluntarily lose 30% of their sales money OR hike the price up by 43% to make the same profits they otherwise would.

Most non-technical Mac users don't even know where to look for third-party apps. This will be built into the system and as easy to use as the iTunes store, and I will bet that many devs will voluntarily lose 30% of their sales money for the added exposure and volume they'll get.
 
Most non-technical Mac users don't even know where to look for third-party apps.

What kind of rationale is that, to say that everyone should submit to Apple's control because some people are too lazy to shop around to find what they want? Or that everyone should be defined by the lowest common denominator user?

How many product manufacturers lock you into their own content distribution channel? If I go to buy a car, I don't want the salesperson to tell me "you have to buy all your parts through us because a lot of people don't know how to find those things." If I buy a TV I don't want to hear "you can only get your programs from us, because otherwise with cable and satellite and all the channels and everything it's just too confusing."

In the recent past the computer companies that tried to force their customers into vertical solutions have not succeeded. And I don't think Apple will be successful at it in the long run either if they try go that route.
 
What kind of rationale is that, to say that everyone should submit to Apple's control because some people are too lazy to shop around to find what they want? Or that everyone should be defined by the lowest common denominator user?

How many product manufacturers lock you into their own content distribution channel? If I go to buy a car, I don't want the salesperson to tell me "you have to buy all your parts through us because a lot of people don't know how to find those things." If I buy a TV I don't want to hear "you can only get your programs from us, because otherwise with cable and satellite and all the channels and everything it's just too confusing."

As I said, this is going to be optional. 10.7 still lets you install apps from other sources.

And even if you think people are dumb or lazy if they don't think to download/buy third party software online otherwise, many or most developers will voluntarily "submit to Apple's control" (which doesn't seem that much more tyrannical than submitting software to apple.com/downloads/macosx/), because it will result in more sales for them.
 
As I said, this is going to be optional. 10.6 still lets you install apps from other sources.

And even if you think people are dumb or lazy if they don't think to download/buy third party software online otherwise, many or most developers will voluntarily "submit to Apple's control" (which doesn't seem that much more tyrannical than submitting software to apple.com/downloads/macosx/), because it will result in more sales for them.

Fixed it for you.
 
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