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Do you really need to be nannied?

Go on to versiontracker and macupdate and you'll see lots of comments. If an application is good or sucks there will soon be comments to indicate.

Apple need to sort out its AppStore. Its way too easy for a good application to get lost amongst the average / crap applications.

Not everyone knows about MacUpdate, we know, general average Joe doesn't.

The Apple Downloads page (that has a link under the Apple menu).

It would need to be revamped, there'd need to be a verification/validation process, and there'd need to be a bunch of other things done, to make it more like the iPhone app store. But, it could be done.

And, as long as no other changes were made to Mac OS X, you could still download via dmg, via source code, etc.

It would just give you the option for one stop shopping, one stop automated updates (versiontracker, last I checked, wont tell you which of your installed apps have updates, because versiontracker doesn't actually know what you have or haven't installed, or installed and then later deleted, etc.), easy search that doesn't mix in all kinds of "seems related, but isn't even a Mac app" results, etc.

Not saying it would be perfect, but it would make some things more streamlined and integrated.

I see the Apple Downloads section, but it is more of a mess than a help. Yes, a more streamlined system is what is needed.
 
Do you really need to be nannied?

Go on to versiontracker and macupdate and you'll see lots of comments. If an application is good or sucks there will soon be comments to indicate.

What part of the versiontracker store will tell me which apps I've installed have new updates?

Last I checked, you have to search them in order to find things, or hope that you haven't missed them in their news stream. There's no integrated element to versiontracker (last I checked).

It's a great place to go look for apps, but it's a lousy place to manage your installed apps.
 
What part of the versiontracker store will tell me which apps I've installed have new updates?

Last I checked, you have to search them in order to find things, or hope that you haven't missed them in their news stream. There's no integrated element to versiontracker (last I checked).

It's a great place to go look for apps, but it's a lousy place to manage your installed apps.

Your correct, there isn't. Macupdate has an application that tells you about new updates, but its a paid for subscription. An appstore would be useful for that, agreed.

But, when people start writing about "trust worthy apps blah blah blah".. Thats pure paranoia and FUD. How many applications downloaded form Macupdate and versiontracker have been malware? I'd say.. virtually none.
 
Your correct, there isn't. Macupdate has an application that tells you about new updates, but its a paid for subscription. An appstore would be useful for that, agreed.

But, when people start writing about "trust worthy apps blah blah blah".. Thats pure paranoia and FUD. How many applications downloaded form Macupdate and versiontracker have been malware? I'd say.. virtually none.

Not talking about malware here... don't know where you got that idea.
 
i don't understand the outrage here. An employee signed a document specifically saying not to do something...then he did something that he said he wasn't going to do, and he got fired for it. How does this make Apple some evil, draconian entity?

I guess because "No" isn't as clear to some people, who think everything is equivocal.
 
Fair enough, but then the public is supposed to rely on these people for knowledge and information on a product that they have no more familiarity with than Joe Blow walking through the door does? How does that work?

Generally there are extensive training modules prepared in advance, then when it comes time you feed them from the firehose. It's not ideal. For non-retail, such as direct sales, some companies set up hotlines so that their front line employees to get any tough questions answered quickly.
 
:D LOL! coffee spews through nose!

don't tell me that's photoshopped. Woz rules!

The Woz shirt picture is real.

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Just talked to a classmate about Gray Powell

Apparently, his buddy works with or worked with Powell and said that Powell has been either fired or demoted off the team.

I don't believe he was fired. I think that news with hit the internet real quick.

My classmate says that employment status is part of an NDA - which I call BS. I think if Powell was fired, he'd be applying at other jobs (ok, maybe not this soon) so someone else (not bound by Apple NDA) would let out that Powell was job hunting. Just for the potential of that happening, Powell's employment status can't "protected" by an NDA; there's no way Apple could keep that quiet.

I would believe a demotion, though.
 
break the rules, expect consequences

I'm kinda tickled by those who think Jobs is evil because an employee got fired for breaking the rules.

Apple is publicly owned company, not a union or government-run entity where others have any say in the matter. Apple has a responsibility to its shareholders to protect its brand and their investment, and because of their publicly held status, are under strict scrutiny under the SEC.

This was not a case of the employee grabbing the wrong model to share with the public. He was an engineer. He knew one model from the next and was told he was not to show the model until the official release time. For someone with "engineer" in their title, this is not an instruction that is too hard to handle.

Our knee-jerk reaction is to 'assume' that this one 'minor' detail is all there was to the story - as if it wasn't enough. Perhaps this employee had an issue with rebelling against directives before, because he "knew better" or didn't take his superior's directives seriously.

Competitors (both legitimate ones that make competing devices/software and illegitimate clone makers) are constantly eyeing Apple. What other company has a 'rumors' site - heck, dozens if not hundreds of them, around the world with everyone wanting to know what is coming out next? Every tech company wants to be the one to scoop Apple. They are the ones to beat.

Look at all the free advertising Apple gets all the time. They don't have to spend a lot of money on advertising because they don't tell everyone every detail of what they're doing, 24/7. Smaller companies issue press releases every 5 minutes. Apple doesn't have to. They merely have to look like they're working on a new product and the press cannot shut up. Once the Genie is out of the bottle, it can't be crammed back in. Once the mystery is over, the press loses interest.

Also, we are 'assuming' that there is no inherent difference in the 3G model that was shown - other than the 3G capability and visible antenna area. Possibly the engineering team was still tweaking some things and didn't need anyone with a packet sniffer on their keychain grabbing any loose bits in the air.

Apple is a company that invests millions in R&D, marketing, personnel, etc. Their goal is to make a profit (and making cool stuff while doing so). They didn't fire someone indiscriminately or because they were a woman, disabled, gay or conservative. They have broken no laws and were within their rights to release this employee for violating a very easy to understand and extremely reasonable policy.

Employees of all companies make mistakes. Some are forgivable, some cannot be overlooked and the company must take the appropriate action. This employee put their own interests of hobnobbing with Woz above their loyalty to their company. Game over.
 
A lot of folks never knew about http://guide.apple.com, which now just re-routes to the software downloads page you get to via the Apple Menu under "Mac OS X Software." It was an easy way to find both hardware and software that developers made for Apple products.

While I don't think a duplicate of the app store, per se, would suffice, it would be nice if they at least made their software page a bit more user friendly like the app store - letting you search intelligently via OS version, hardware, etc.

Ironically, going to http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx today - the "Most recent" one that they are featuring is Bodega, which allows you to search, browse and pay for software. Perhaps this was the app store you've been looking for?

Not everyone knows about MacUpdate, we know, general average Joe doesn't.



I see the Apple Downloads section, but it is more of a mess than a help. Yes, a more streamlined system is what is needed.
 
SEC regulations require at least one human being in the executive suite. :apple:

Good stuff.

But I seem to recall reading that Woz got a taste of the administrative side of Apple early on, and he absolutely hated it. He was more interested in the technical side.

So even if he had been invited, I doubt you'd ever see him accepting a position with Apple's executive management, if it meant there'd ever be a chance that he might ever have to actually do, you know, "executive-type" stuff.
 
Most any Linux user is familiar with the advantages of having a package manager as part of the OS. Managing all your software (from core OS libraries to user apps) from a single interface is fantastic. They've been around for a very long time, and nice GUIs (eg, Synaptic) have been available for at least six years now.

The app store is a very similar concept, with a few extra features and paid software available.

Honestly, I've been surprised for the past five years or so that neither Microsoft nor Apple has implemented anything like a decent package manager. Having each of your apps update itself is an awkward mess of wheel reinvention, and requiring the user to periodically check the website himself and download updates is even worse.
 
A Story with Legs - Germany

Like all good stories with legs there's more underneath!

The Lufthansa offer is part of a global propaganda campaign by the German Government to (try to) show that Germans have a sense of humor.

The whole story is a plant. Steve is a lookalike and ...

The prototype was a prototype.

Whatever.
 
can someone explain Woz's relationship with Apple right now? is he a partner still?
 
Apple and Adolph Jobs are going too far if an employee can be fired for showing a product to Steve WOZNIAK for pete's sake. I'm really starting to fn hate Apple.
 
I'm kinda tickled by those who think Jobs is evil because an employee got fired for breaking the rules.

Apple is publicly owned company, not a union or government-run entity where others have any say in the matter. Apple has a responsibility to its shareholders to protect its brand and their investment, and because of their publicly held status, are under strict scrutiny under the SEC.

This was not a case of the employee grabbing the wrong model to share with the public. He was an engineer. He knew one model from the next and was told he was not to show the model until the official release time. For someone with "engineer" in their title, this is not an instruction that is too hard to handle.

Our knee-jerk reaction is to 'assume' that this one 'minor' detail is all there was to the story - as if it wasn't enough. Perhaps this employee had an issue with rebelling against directives before, because he "knew better" or didn't take his superior's directives seriously.

Competitors (both legitimate ones that make competing devices/software and illegitimate clone makers) are constantly eyeing Apple. What other company has a 'rumors' site - heck, dozens if not hundreds of them, around the world with everyone wanting to know what is coming out next? Every tech company wants to be the one to scoop Apple. They are the ones to beat.

Look at all the free advertising Apple gets all the time. They don't have to spend a lot of money on advertising because they don't tell everyone every detail of what they're doing, 24/7. Smaller companies issue press releases every 5 minutes. Apple doesn't have to. They merely have to look like they're working on a new product and the press cannot shut up. Once the Genie is out of the bottle, it can't be crammed back in. Once the mystery is over, the press loses interest.

Also, we are 'assuming' that there is no inherent difference in the 3G model that was shown - other than the 3G capability and visible antenna area. Possibly the engineering team was still tweaking some things and didn't need anyone with a packet sniffer on their keychain grabbing any loose bits in the air.

Apple is a company that invests millions in R&D, marketing, personnel, etc. Their goal is to make a profit (and making cool stuff while doing so). They didn't fire someone indiscriminately or because they were a woman, disabled, gay or conservative. They have broken no laws and were within their rights to release this employee for violating a very easy to understand and extremely reasonable policy.

Employees of all companies make mistakes. Some are forgivable, some cannot be overlooked and the company must take the appropriate action. This employee put their own interests of hobnobbing with Woz above their loyalty to their company. Game over.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the reason for mac rumour sites is more to do with the fact that Apple, unlike pretty much every other company out there, DOESNT release product roadmaps!

Its pretty much a necessity if youre a mac fan as you never know what's around the corner. With companies like Sony you can tell from events like CES, and just press releases on their websites MANY months in advance. But because of Apples secrecy, you often get a month or less, usually down to manufacturing issues. But they would give you a days notice if possible.

It's all part of the hype train which does work very well.

Anyways try 'androidandme', androidspin, intomobile, htcpedia, gsmarena for examples of other rumours sites. Theres dozens or android speculation sites
In fact there definitely used to be loads more Nokia ones seems interest in them has died down with their recent mediocre showings.
 
Well hang one, "If he was prepared to show it to Woz"??? You cannot tell me that you cannot trust Woz who works for Apple. He is the co-founder of Apple, you should be honoured to show it to him, that is trust. Not trusting Woz with a device like this is sheer paranoia, and patheric to be honest.

If an employee is told "show this iPad to NOBODY" then whether they want to trust Wozniak or not is not their decision to make. If Wozniak turns up and wants to see the device, you call your manager and let him decide. And from what I've heard Wozniak wasn't the only one who saw the iPad, so maybe that person wasn't actually fired for showing it to Wozniak, but for showing it to other people as well.

Fair enough, but then the public is supposed to rely on these people for knowledge and information on a product that they have no more familiarity with than Joe Blow walking through the door does? How does that work?

How much knowledge do you need to sell an iPad? One hour before the store opens is plenty of time. You would need significant training for repairs, but there are no repairs at least in the first fourteen days - anything that doesn't work in the first fourteen days is fixed by grabbing another iPad from the shelve.
 
Apple and Adolph Jobs are going too far if an employee can be fired for showing a product to Steve WOZNIAK for pete's sake. I'm really starting to fn hate Apple.

if the employee would have had an iPad (wifi only) and shown it off at launch (april 3rd), their wouldn't be an issue, but he had an iPad (wifi + 3G) which was not meant to be shown off until that version was released (april 30th).

also, he ended up on the front page of Gizmodo, Engadget, 9to5mac, Macrumors and others...
 
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the reason for mac rumour sites is more to do with the fact that Apple, unlike pretty much every other company out there, DOESNT release product roadmaps!
Canon is also very secretive to the point of annoying some consumers. And Canon rumor sites are updated nearly monthly! Not quite the same. I have to agree with freelancing, it is because of how the world, including both media and individuals, views Apple that MacRumors and other such sites are so ridiculously popular.

Anyways try 'androidandme', androidspin, intomobile, htcpedia, gsmarena for examples of other rumours sites. Theres dozens or android speculation sites
In fact there definitely used to be loads more Nokia ones seems interest in them has died down with their recent mediocre showings.
Doesn't this contradict your hypothesis, since these companies are more open than Apple? Doesn't this just mean that popularity amongst consumers and press is the reason for rumor discussion?
 
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