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Yes, quite a Herculean labor of judging with so many photos this time! Wow!

VirtualRain, you posed your question to gnd, and I'm sure he'll be happy to share thoughts of his own, but I can offer a few answers to your question. Three things come to mind for me:

1) Wait for a boat to enter the frame and serve as a focal point. Of course, it might happen that no boat appears within the 10 minutes or so that the sunset is most interesting.

2) Reposition yourself so that something on the land gets silhouetted in the foreground and serves as a focal point: a tree, a lamp post, an interesting rock, a building, etc. If for some reason repositioning yourself ruins the perspective of the background, then this won't work either.

3) The one option that always works: put someone, perhaps yourself, in the foreground to appear as a small, but distinct silhouette, gazing out to the sunset or striking whatever pose works for you.

If you want more emphasis on the person/object, then you can introduce some off-camera flash, but even just having a silhouette to anchor the image can do wonders for it.

Some lovely entries in this contest. Congrats to the winners!

Imagine a boat in the straight between the land on the right and the left, where the sea is the brightest. Or maybe a bird sailing past in the bright orange part of the sky (preferably on the right side facing left or vice versa). The setting is perfect, it just needs a subject. I know you can't control that but that's just how it is, more often than not you are forced to walk away with a photo, that is 90% there.

Interesting... Moments before, a ferry passed through the straight (see below), however, I wasn't as happy with the lighting on the water nor the wider perspective (a narrower field of view such as the submitted photo might have been overwhelmed by the vessel). I actually prefer the image I submitted vs the one with the boat as I feel the ferry detracts from the image the same way a car might if parked in front of a monument. I like the tranquility, lighting, and layers without the boat, but that's just my taste I suppose.

We're (I'm?) probably over analyzing this (certainly neither photo is outstanding), but I enjoy the discussion. Any further thoughts you or others have are welcome and encouraged.

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Interesting... Moments before, a ferry passed through the straight (see below), however, I wasn't as happy with the lighting on the water nor the wider perspective (a narrower field of view such as the submitted photo might have been overwhelmed by the vessel). I actually prefer the image I submitted vs the one with the boat as I feel the ferry detracts from the image the same way a car might if parked in front of a monument. I like the tranquility, lighting, and layers without the boat, but that's just my taste I suppose.

We're (I'm?) probably over analyzing this (certainly neither photo is outstanding), but I enjoy the discussion. Any further thoughts you or others have are welcome and encouraged.

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While I'm not the judge, the ferry photo I like a lot more. I agree with the judge that it gives the viewer something to focus on. I also like the water lighting better in the ferry photo because it gives some definition to the water itself. I like that the water is brightly lit just above the ferry, which makes the ferry itself stand out because of that light. The only recommendation I'd make to that ferry photo is cropping out the brighter water light at the bottom. You could probably do it with a 16:9 aspect ratio for that cinematic look.

I also find the sky more interesting looking in the ferry version.
 
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Don't worry about it, it just means that on that particular day the winning shot was not there. No one expects to be able to get National Geographic photos every day. Now you at least know the setting there so that the next time, when the sun and the clouds DO align, you can go there and take that perfect shot :)

Actually, I'm a member of that church. I'm there plenty of times to try to get better shots. I had an assignment by my pastor to get a photo of the church to submit for a preservation society guide featuring the building. That was the only day I had to get the photo done. Since I had just made the picture, I was biased towards it. :)

In retrospect, I probably should have submitted this one of just the sancturary instead.

 
Lovely photo, but you are exactly 6 hours too late. :eek:
I really like the setting, the silhouette of the photographer, the back-lit hair, the fact that she is connecting both halves of the frame. But therein lies the problem (for me) with this photo, splits in halves. The water level is on the horizontal half of the frame and she's standing on the vertical half of the frame looking out (which I find more disturbing than the horizontal split). Ideally I would position her more to the right side so she would have more space in front of her looking into the frame and then either include more water or more sky to move the horizontal split away from the half (maybe more water with her shadow would be a better choice).

GND Thank you so much for the feedback. For some reason my computer cocked up and it appeared that the contest hadn't finished!

Please don't think that I was ignoring your closing and other judging posts and I am again thankful that you took the time to look at my photo even though it appeared I had ignored all other posts.

Thanks
 
Interesting... Moments before, a ferry passed through the straight (see below), however, I wasn't as happy with the lighting on the water nor the wider perspective (a narrower field of view such as the submitted photo might have been overwhelmed by the vessel). I actually prefer the image I submitted vs the one with the boat as I feel the ferry detracts from the image the same way a car might if parked in front of a monument. I like the tranquility, lighting, and layers without the boat, but that's just my taste I suppose.

We're (I'm?) probably over analyzing this (certainly neither photo is outstanding), but I enjoy the discussion. Any further thoughts you or others have are welcome and encouraged.

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Always happy to over-analyze an image. :D I think it's good to get into the habit of critiquing your own images and asking for input about them, even the ones you like, because you might like them even more if they had even stronger pictorial qualities. These two shots of yours have a lot going for them. They have great colors, tones, and textures. They have a good sense of depth with the different layers of middleground and background (and the foreground, though rather vacant, is distinct as well). They're both sharp and well exposed.

gnd put it nicely when he said that sometimes a shot is just 90% there due to circumstances beyond your control. That still leaves you with a pleasing photo, but if you can identify what would make it really 'pop' and hum with visual interest, then maybe you can take that observation forward and make a decision on a subsequent photo that will give it that extra 'wow factor.'

I agree with Keleko about the second shot being stronger, and I agree that it would benefit from a crop. I tried a crop of it myself and will be happy to post it or pm it to you, if you like. I took quite a bit off of the left, some off of the bottom, and some off of the top. This gets us 'closer' to the ferry so that it actually looks like something and makes it land at the intersection of the thirds. When you posted your thumbnails, I couldn't even tell where the boat was. I was looking all over the foreground for it (where I think it would work best), and was unable to find it. I actually thought the ferry was another little blob of an island until I enlarged the image.

Here's the thing about subjects/focal points. They need to be distinct and ideally should land or terminate at a power point in the image. (As with anything in art, there are always exceptions, but they work for very good reasons and inevitably 'prove' the 'rules.') There are four power points in any frame, one at the intersection of each of the thirds. (Link) For a subject to be distinct, it needs to be legible and to have a good level of separation from the rest of the image. Your ferry boat scores pretty well on the second count. It is picked out against a light patch in the scene, though it would be even better a bit to the left, where the brightest patch is. (They eye is attracted to light in an image, so it helps if the lightest part of the scene is also the focal point.) The ferry is a distinct silhouette as far as ferries go, but nothing beats the legibility of a sailboat or a cruising yacht. In this case, the ferry is also quite close to some much larger dark forms. It doesn't overlap with any of them, which is good, but even more separation would be even better.

What also adds greater interest to the second shot is the more detailed foreground water and the wonderful puffy cloud in the background, hovering low near the shore. In the first shot, that cloud is mostly obscured by fog. Again, a crop gets us in closer to where we can appreciate that cloud more because it then has more presence in the frame.

I've written a lot here, but I think it's good to get these kinds of dialogues going, and this is exactly what these contests are all about. Also, VirtualRain, it's been fun to see you progress. You have a good eye and a really good handle on exposure. My advice may not be the most valuable in the world, but I'm happy to take the time to offer it to someone who really seems to be soaking in a lot and steadily moving forward. :)
 
Thanks Phrasikleia... good advice and by all means, please post the crop you created. I'd love to see what you did.

OK, here you go. Something like this gets us in closer to the action and allows us to appreciate more of the details in the scene. Most importantly, it gives us the boat to 'land' on between explorations of the image.

You're lucky to live in such beautiful location. :)
 

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Interesting shot, the flare almost works as a subject (but it's too small). I keep wanting something on the tracks, they lead me into the frame but there is nothing rewarding there waiting for me.

Thank you for your feedback. Unfortunately the flare wasn't intentional; I'm still pretty much a noob at photography and have yet to acquire my first DSLR, although it will be coming soon. This photo was in fact taken on my way to college; I walked across the tracks and looked down towards the sun and thought it looked brilliant, and was well worth taking a photo of. An opportune photo, if you will. And I certainly am not going to stand there and wait for a train to come before I take the photograph - my life is not worth risking for an incredible shot ;) Thank you for taking the time to look and comment though, I do appreciate the effort you put into this contest and I'll look into controlling the flare in future photographs!
 
OK, here you go. Something like this gets us in closer to the action and allows us to appreciate more of the details in the scene. Most importantly, it gives us the boat to 'land' on between explorations of the image.

Awesome... I like it. I think it's a much better picture than the original wide angle scene with the ferry in mid frame. I definitely see what you mean about having something that draws you in and your placement of the ferry at a power point is much better than where it was in the original composition. Had I spent more time on this image (either when taking it or in post), I probably would have done the same as I find it almost habit to use the rule of thirds for things like that.

However, having said all that, there is still something I like about the lighting and tranquility of the original image I submitted for this contest. These are two different scenes with two different feels to them. I'm not sure I agree that the one without the boat is any less interesting to look at, particularly when it's viewed at larger sizes where the details begin to emerge. However, it's not always what I enjoy that matters if I want to take my photography to a higher level. :eek:

You're lucky to live in such beautiful location. :)

Thanks, although I've been saying the same thing to myself every time I see one of your pictures! :) (and many other folks here as well).
 
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