The oddest thing in that video you linked is the light pulsing of the square as it moved around on the 2021’s display, while it did not pulse on the other display. I’m guessing the pulses were caused from moving through the different dimming zones.
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iPad Pro Well? Any regrets after the reviews?
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that's exactly what is happening. that's blooming and the LEDs not being responsive/precise enough to keep up with the video footage. as an object moves across the screen the parts of the screen where the object was will still light up unless the LEDs can respond fast enough. example:
go to 0:53 in this video if it doesn't start there:
on the left is a QLED which technically works the same as a mini led except there are fewer dimming zones/leds. on the right is an OLED. look at the blooming and how the light trails the white circle. even in the shots afterwards if you look at the sky you can see it glow up because the LEDs aren't precise enough. the OLED has way more control because it can turn off pixels instead of relying on dimming zones.
The fact that you have to actually go out of your way to turn the light off to see the difference proves that the upgrade is extremely incremental and severely overrated.
well, to be fair, one is in a dark room and one is with lights on but i do suspect these youtubers....
i've got a 2019 10.2" iPad (LCD) and a 12 Pro Max (OLED) in front of me right now and I'm impressed with the display on the iPad. Yes, OLED is better but it's so damn close. The iPad is slightly less vibrant but the colours and contrast are great. When looking at app icons with dark colours such as settings, clock, camera, wallet, the OLED is only slightly darker and you can only really tell if you're comparing them side to side like I am right now. Even with dark mode on the backgrounds in apps still quite good on the iPad. OLED is much better here but again...unless you're comparing them side to side you won't care. I have no problem going between the iPad + iPhone. In general usage the displays are really close to each other. Both are great...it's just one is LCD and one is OLED.
The biggest difference between both displays is definitely when the brightness is cranked up so if you do that in the house or take your iPad outside then that's when you're gonna notice the difference and even then only when looking at blacks. In this situation it's gonna still be a fantastic display but if you go out your way to compare them then yeah the LCD is inferior to OLED.
Now let me remind you I'm comparing the screen of a budget iPad from 2019 to an OLED. The difference between a 2021 iPad Pro to a Mini LED is probably not gonna be as big to the 2019 iPad + OLED. I'm not saying Mini LED is bad it's definitely an improvement but it's still not as good as OLED.
My opinion is that most people will be more than happy with the display on the 11" model. I could only recommend the 12.9" model to be who:
- want a 12.9" display
- watch a lot of HDR or work with HDR
- use their iPad a lot outside
- have the money to not even care and just want the best option
I never depend on reviews to make my purchases. I make up my own mind.
yup. i will maybe take their opinion into consideration but i'm ultimately gonna buy a product I like and want. doesn't really matter to me if someone else likes it or not. i ain't buying it for them.
Yes! Keep saying stuff like this to put me off upgrading. My wallet appreciates it.
I think the difference will be more appreciable than that
but a few reviewers have noted the nits aren’t really any brighter in regular use. Coupled with for regular use the differences won’t be as noticeable
if this is your movie machine I say hell yea
or professional editing machine
but for casual use I doubt you’d see the diffeeence or if you did , would care a ton as a casual user. IMO.
Yea, i mainly use my iPad for web browsing so it probably makes zero difference to me
I think I’ll save my money for now.
Yea, i mainly use my iPad for web browsing so it probably makes zero difference to me
I would get what fits your size preference and budget first and foremost
hopefully both aspects align
I really don’t need to upgrade, haha. My 2018 Pro is working like new still. I can easily use it for another year, probably even two. However…. If iPad OS at WWDC is a surpise (in a good way), I won’t hesitate to upgrade
1600 nits is the peak brightness and 1000 nits is full screen brightness. what that means is say you're at your home screen then the highest it will go is 1000 nits cause it has to light up the status bar, app icons, background, dock, etc and do it evenly across the entire panel. it will only hit 1600 nits when you're watching HDR because obviously it doesn't need to light up black bars and the scene itself will require various degrees of brightness. that means the power consumption is way less across the panel so it can light up specific spots at a higher brightness.
this will max at 1000 nits:
but this would be able to hit 1600 because the brightest areas are the sky + face and there are black bars:
there's a reason OLED tvs have ABL (automatic brightness limiter). the power consumption is too high if it needs to light up the entire screen. if there is a scene where the entire display is white then it will automatically lower the brightness (hence the name). but when it doesn't need to light the entire screen it can afford to light specific spots much brighter.
so for most people if they are just going about using the OS, looking at websites, playing games, etc then the higher brightness isn't going to make much a difference. you'll see the biggest difference when watching HDR movies and that's about it.
TL;DR: both the 11 + 12.9 actually have the same typical brightness of 600 nits. the 12.9 only gets brighter cause it can lower the brightness in parts of the screen which is only really gonna be noticeable in HDR photos/video.
I follow the typical 600 nits and 1600 hdr video scenarios but ... when does it hit 1000 again?when you have it under a bright light for an extended period of time to crank up auto brightness?
I missed where 1000 engages
I would too honestly, but I don't have any of these 'new style iPads' so I am getting the itch a bit.
So it's either 2020 refurb 12.9 for me heavily discounted, which will likely replace my 2017 if it ever ships and especially if its on 14.3 or under (a full jb replacement) or I keep 2017 and get the 2021 11" from Costco.. or neither and back to 2017, or both and bye 2017, but I increasingly have a feeling the 2011 11" route will be good while keeping my old iPad. Especially since I have a magic keyboard already ready for it. Still, I am curious to see if this $450 256gb+cellular 2020 12.9 from Best Buy ever does ship and If it does if its in good shape (its been delayed).
I personally (not saying others cant, *I* just can't as a disclaimer) can't justify approaching or exceeding $1000, with discounts and coupons and stuff, amazing screen or not period. It just doesn't mesh with me. even buying it with intention of years of use.
I start tapping out of the ring around what I spent on my base 2017 12.9 in 2017, $700. And around what I spent on this 11", which is ~$624 before tax after a coupon, Costco sale of $50 off, and cash back stacked.
I missed where 1000 engages
If Marques can skip and hold out on a 2018, you can too!
I would too honestly, but I don't have any of these 'new style iPads' so I am getting the itch a bit.
So it's either 2020 refurb 12.9 for me heavily discounted, which will likely replace my 2017 if it ever ships and especially if its on 14.3 or under (a full jb replacement) or I keep 2017 and get the 2021 11" from Costco.. or neither and back to 2017, or both and bye 2017, but I increasingly have a feeling the 2011 11" route will be good while keeping my old iPad. Especially since I have a magic keyboard already ready for it. Still, I am curious to see if this $450 256gb+cellular 2020 12.9 from Best Buy ever does ship and If it does if its in good shape (its been delayed).
I personally (not saying others cant, *I* just can't as a disclaimer) can't justify approaching or exceeding $1000, with discounts and coupons and stuff, amazing screen or not period. It just doesn't mesh with me. even buying it with intention of years of use.
I start tapping out of the ring around what I spent on my base 2017 12.9 in 2017, $700. And around what I spent on this 11", which is ~$624 before tax after a coupon, Costco sale of $50 off, and cash back stacked.
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Strange how you can make that statement, and then pretty much say you never seen them in person..
last gen ipad pro 12.9" vs new one 12.9"
with auto brightness turned on 678 LUX vs 1250 lux
Black level 1.6 LUX vs 0 LUX
And about measurement flickering ...Note 20 ultra with amoled it is the worse and the best is the new ipad pro
with auto brightness turned on 678 LUX vs 1250 lux
Black level 1.6 LUX vs 0 LUX
And about measurement flickering ...Note 20 ultra with amoled it is the worse and the best is the new ipad pro
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i'm not sure what Apple's testing is but I think 600 nits is just the average brightness when typically used so across various apps and in different areas of lighting.
i can't see the max brightness of the 11" model but the 12.9" maxes out at 1000 nits at full screen brightness. so if you were to display a complete white background and run your iPad at 100% brightness it would not go above 1000 nits. it will hit 1600 nits when areas of the screen are dark. say 50% of the screen is black then it can crank up the brightness of the other 50% because it's saving power from not lighting the other 50%. basically you're only gonna get 1600 nits on small sections of the display.
Now these are the tests I've been waiting for, I was worried the XDR will flicker, happy it doesn't seem to be the case.
Given the screen and content with HDR no regrets here
Wrong - have you even looked at the YouTube videos showing the 11 and 12.9 side by side, including in this very thread?
MiniLED naysayers heads explode in 3... 2... 1
possibly 3 years, running smooth as butter, everything still lightning quick on my 3rd gen, need a good excuse to upgrade mine 😂I really don’t need to upgrade, haha. My 2018 Pro is working like new still. I can easily use it for another year, probably even two. However…. If iPad OS at WWDC is a surpise (in a good way), I won’t hesitate to upgrade
Simple, for everyday use the screen wont make a difference compared to older models, even reviewers are saying this, how many people are going to max out their brightness 24/7, and watch HDR content 24/7, not many.
Not sure why you and others want to pretend the only benefit of the new display is HDR when you can clearly see the contrast and color gamut benefits in nearly every YouTube video that’s been posted.