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You should pay more as you're taxing the system more than the average user. Sorry but data hogs should have to pay for their large data appetite.

I know you're on unlimited but with the greater number of smart phones on networks it's time for things to change. The times of using 9, 10, 12 gigs of data a month are coming to an end. Heavy data users affect every ones connection to the network (within the area) so why should they suffer because you want to stream pandora 24/7? (or whatever you're doing to rack up 9gigs of data)

I take it you're believing in the fibs that the nationwide carriers use to justify the increase in data plan revenue in the last few financial quarters and the deletion of unlimited options? You will not 'suffer' because the guy next to you at a restaurant is streaming Pandora while you're web browsing. Why don't you dog all the 'heavy' data users on wired cable networks as nulls have a slim possibility of being overloaded just as a cell site can be. It all comes down to the carriers wanting to expand profit margins and in order to do that either data use had to remain low or options for the carriers to cash in on increased data usage had to be put in.
 
I take it you're believing in the fibs that the nationwide carriers use to justify the increase in data plan revenue in the last few financial quarters and the deletion of unlimited options? You will not 'suffer' because the guy next to you at a restaurant is streaming Pandora while you're web browsing. Why don't you dog all the 'heavy' data users on wired cable networks as nulls have a slim possibility of being overloaded just as a cell site can be. It all comes down to the carriers wanting to expand profit margins and in order to do that either data use had to remain low or options for the carriers to cash in on increased data usage had to be put in.

So you're saying that if a large number of people are all streaming pandora at the same time that won't affect my experience on any given tower? That's why you get such great reception at sporting events huh. :rolleyes:

Of course getting the most money for their company is their bottom line.... it's a business but to say high data users don't affect all those on the network is silly.
 
So you're saying that if a large number of people are all streaming pandora at the same time that won't affect my experience on any given tower? That's why you get such great reception at sporting events huh. :rolleyes:

That just proves the point though.

Monthly download limits haven't stopped congestion have they?

People are paying more, getting less and still experiencing poor service.
 
I can bearly stream the odd podcast or radio station without hitting my limit these days. ive gone from using my phone guilt free for £35 a month to limiting my streaming massively and getting bills in the range of £65. Im of to 3 mobile as soon as my contract is over. Always been a fan of Vodafone but not anymore 1 gig of data per month is measly.
 
Unless you like to upgrade with each new iteration of the iPhone. Not having a contract means you don't have to wait 20 months to upgrade (assuming a single line).

Yes, it is a big expense up front. Probably $450 more than the subsidized price. But once you make that initial plunge for a non contract phone, it ends up being almost the same cost in the future.

For example, you pay $749 for an unsubsidized 32GB iPhone instead of $299. So you are out an extra $450, but you have no contract. Say the "new iPhone, iPhone 5," whatever comes out a year later. Your 4S will still have a decent value on the used market for someone looking to purchase a replacement, or a phone with no contract. Say you can sell it for $400. Then you buy the next generation of iPhone for an assumed price of $749 again. This costs you $350 out of your pocket after the 4S sale. Not a huge difference from paying $300 for a subsidized phone.

To me, it is worth it to make the one time big expense to not have a contract and be able to upgrade when I want to. An additional benefit is a full price phone comes unlocked.

So for some people, buying a full price phone and biting the bullet the first time may make sense for many reasons. One of them being the option to keep unlimited data.

Just my 2 cents.

You can buy an unsibsidized phone full price at any time.
I take advantage of my upgrade price cause if I dont I waste it and my bill is still the same amount wether Im on contract or not. And when Im not due for an upgrade I buy it full price and sell my old iphone to make up for it.
My point was that if you buy it full price just to save an additional $10 a month from switching to a tiered data plan is pointless. Figure out what amount of data you use and if its worth it to pay up that additional $450-500 upfront.
Im around wifi mostly everywhere and over the years the highest I data I used was 900mb. I would hate to lose my unlimited data but if I had to it would make more sense for me to switch to a tiered data plan and still get the subsidy and probably pay less per month for my data plan portion. ;)
 
Typical with good ol Americans.... gimmie gimmie but don't want to pay for it.

Thats just not an american thing, thats an everyone thing. Besides to base a country of people off a few, is crazy. But i can tell I'm talking to brilliance, I'll be quiet now.

I dont even know why I replied to you though, every post of your is just crazy, why even bother posting here?
 
I watch my data, 2gigs, 4 gigs, eight gigs, twelve gigs..... I like to keep watching to see how high I can get it. Im shooting for 60 gigs, then I would only be paying $1. per gig, as I am paying $60.00 for unlimited, and unlimited hotspot....... Burn baby burn..
 
I always make employers buy me a phone and pay the services. Thankfully I haven't dealt with a pay bill since the late 90's when I got out of high school.

During the hiring process it sounds silly and insignificant but it's one less monthly bill I have to worry about. As is a company car with gas card lol. It's not about how much I'm paid but how little I have to pay :).
 
Thats just not an american thing, thats an everyone thing. Besides to base a country of people off a few, is crazy. But i can tell I'm talking to brilliance, I'll be quiet now.

I dont even know why I replied to you though, every post of your is just crazy, why even bother posting here?

LoL crazy huh... sometimes the truth is tough to hear. Sorry but I have lived Europe and they don't have the attitude Americans have. We want nice roads but whine about the taxes to support them. We want good schools but vote down a $0.03 cent on the dollar tax to support them. We want our cake and eat it too.

Of course I am making a general statement and not all will fit under anything I said but IMHO it's the general rule and not the exception.
 
Damn, you Americans/Canadians/non-brits have no idea how lucky you actually are.

We're lucky if a provider gives us 2GB of data per month.

I'm currently on a $65/a month plan and get 900 minutes, unlimited texts and a measly 750mb of data month.

Although I've never gone over, and don't see the big deal. The only thing I use my data for is e-mails/iMessage/Twitter/Facebook on the go. For everything else, I'm usually already connected to a local wi-fi point.

I would never try/expect to stream when not connected to a local network. First of all the speeds would be dreadful. Secondly, 750mb data limit. Thirdly, the speeds would be awful.

You guys have very high expectations. The idea of trying to stream a movie to my iPhone through my provider's data (and not through my own wifi) is just hilarious to me.

It's an iPhone, but it's still a phone. You shouldn't expect to be able to do everything you can do on your computer on it for a few $ per month.

I think you boneheads forget one thing, us Americanos pay $100+ on a regular basis for our cell phone plans. You Brits pay $35/mo for 900 mins, 2000 SMS, and 1GB DATA. That same plan in the USA is $90.

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I watch my data, 2gigs, 4 gigs, eight gigs, twelve gigs..... I like to keep watching to see how high I can get it. Im shooting for 60 gigs, then I would only be paying $1. per gig, as I am paying $60.00 for unlimited, and unlimited hotspot....... Burn baby burn..

People like you are the reason why Verizon has made their decision

Thanks you schmuck. Hope your plan gets cancelled, and your forced to go to Boost wireless.
 
You Yanks really have it tough, every single other thread on here is someone moaning about data. Just commented on another thread..
 
You Yanks really have it tough, every single other thread on here is someone moaning about data. Just commented on another thread..

Actually you have more options then we do in the USA. In Europe, you can buy a phone, then sign up with the carrier of choice. In the USA we have a AT&T iPhone, Verizon iPhone, and Sprint iPhone. They're locked to each carriers bands.

It makes an ESN swap much easier.
 
Actually you have more options then we do in the USA. In Europe, you can buy a phone, then sign up with the carrier of choice. In the USA we have a AT&T iPhone, Verizon iPhone, and Sprint iPhone. They're locked to each carriers bands.

It makes an ESN swap much easier.

yeah, that is tough. Don't you have pre-pay options? I thought Apple sold them unlocked in the US? i bought mine unlocked, and pay approx $21 a month for unlimited data, unlimited texts and 250 minutes.

Surely there is a market for Apple to become their own carrier and cut these awful carriers out? granted, their needs to be a market for them to sell the phones to carriers and make the enormous profits, but this still wouldn't deter people from buying direct from Apple.

Also in the UK, we only have 3, T-mobile/Orange ( one network) and o2 Vodafone thats only 1 more carriers than yourselves, some other smaller carriers, but they use the above networks as a carrier..they are all locked too except o2
 
You have a very cogent argument there Dorkba.

Lets go with your limited thinking for a minute, first I must shrink the size of my brain so I can use tunnel vision, OK I'm there.

My first question to you is, What did Verizon expect me to do with my Unlimited LTE hotspot that they sold me? Now one of the selling features they pushed on me was the fact that I can legally and with full Verizon approval tether up to ten devices simultaneously.

Did you hear that down there? 10 devices at once, so how much data did they expect me to use?

I average 12 to 15 gigs a month. Is that spectrum abuse?

I am sorry if you wife beat you, or your milk spilled. Maybe you just are a small minded person who likes to abuse people they dont know on the internet since they can not stand up to you.

Your probably like that person from office space who got moved into the basement and has no control over their life, so I can understand why you must be so angry at everything.

Dont worry, some of us adults will make sure that you are OK, you can go back to playing with your match box cars. :apple:
 
My first question to you is, What did Verizon expect me to do with my Unlimited LTE hotspot that they sold me? Now one of the selling features they pushed on me was the fact that I can legally and with full Verizon approval tether up to ten devices simultaneously

I'd say the unlimited data on a phone was simply to let people use their phone in a responsible way without fear of overage charges since there wasn't Netflix, pandora, hulu, etc at the time of them first offering it. Once streaming apps came out and smartphones caught on there is an exploding market of customers that tax a system which can't handle unlimited 15 gb per month users anymore.
 
I'd say the unlimited data on a phone was simply to let people use their phone in a responsible way without fear of overage charges since there wasn't Netflix, pandora, hulu, etc at the time of them first offering it. Once streaming apps came out and smartphones caught on there is an exploding market of customers that tax a system which can't handle unlimited 15 gb per month users anymore.

OK so that explains my unlimited data plan.

Why did Verizon offer and market and sell me a "unlimited tethering plan" that can tether up to ten devices at once? This plan is only six months old, did they not know what the capacity of their network was six months ago?

Well? Why did they do it? they didnt have to? in fact they pushed it aggressively.

So now I am a thief for buying something that was aggressively marketed to me and offered as you can tether anything you want and as much as you want. Lets think of it this way, if I can tether up to ten devices at once, it was sold to me that way.

Ten devices all watching a movie on Netflix, lets say its one gig per movie, that's ten gigs in two hours.... What about the rest of the month....

You people just don't think your arguments through to the end do you? (Brian this comment wasn't meant for you specifically, you seem to have a decent way about you no offence meant.)
 
OK so that explains my unlimited data plan. Why did Verizon offer and market and sell me a "unlimited tethering plan" that can tether up to ten devices at once? This plan is only six months old, did they not know what the capacity of their network was six months ago?

Well? Why did they do it? they didnt have to?

Because they are greedy ****s who just care about profit first and foremost and customer experience second? ;)
 
exactly, so either they are liars about the network not being able to handle it, or they are Liars because they sold it to me and said they could handle it? they seem to be liars either way. But the reality is I am not at fault here, they are and their network is fine. They just want more $$$$$$
 
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You can get unlimited data (including Tethering), 2000 minutes and 5000 SMS for £25 per month ($40) in the UK (including tax).
 
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You can get unlimited data (including Tethering), 2000 minutes and 5000 SMS for £25 per month ($40) in the UK (including tax).

Link? We're not talking about buying a handset separately and then purchasing a SIM only deal, nor an old model.

Can you get an iPhone 4S for £25 per month with all that? ;)
 
Link? We're not talking about buying a handset separately and then purchasing a SIM only deal, nor an old model.

Can you get an iPhone 4S for £25 per month with all that? ;)

No, but you can get it for £36 ($57) a month (including taxes)

The US is VASTLY more expensive than the UK in this regard.

We have 20% VAT on mobile tariffs, yet even with that factored in, we've got far cheaper plans offering more.
 
No, but you can get it for £36 a month.

The US is VASTLY more expensive than the UK in this regard.

Right. So you've just proven me correct... I'm unsure where this is going :confused:

I just saw your edit. The difference isn't that big, you're trying to compare two completely different deals. You can't compare US contracts to a UK contract for a 3GS or a SIM only deal where you buy the handset separately.

If you do a comparison, you do it like-for-like. Otherwise, any credibility goes under the front of a bus.

Saying "UK contracts are cheaper" when you're comparing it with a contract for an older model or a handset bought separately doesn't say much, if anything. Like, d'uh. Obviously a UK contract for an old model will be cheaper. That's just common sense.
 
Right. So you've just proven me correct... I'm unsure where this is going :confused:

You said:

You also seem to be getting dollars and pounds mixed up. People don't spend $35 which is £22 for all that. £22, also known as $35 in case you can't keep up, won't get you anywhere CLOSE to that plan. They charge a lot more, like $65, like I already said.

I object to you saying "anywhere CLOSE", when £3 a month gets you a better plan than you suggest.

There are cheaper plans that DO offer what you have stated. You have proven yourself incorrect.

Even if you are talking about a subsidised phone, then you're not looking at $65 to get the level of service you're talking about.
 
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