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For me just a big speed bump would nice enough for me to upgrade from a S3. I upgrade every year and pass them down to family members.
 
That's a good point, it seems to be more of a limitation of the square design than anything else. I don't like the complications they seem to interfere with the flow of the watch feature. As far as feels I mean that this doesn't feel like a watch. It's a colorful media presenter with the ability to show a representation of a clock.

If you don't like complications interfering with the watch, then a square design is best. I like an analog look. The square design allows me to put complications outside the watch face. I had a Moto360, all complications are inside the face. And reading text is awkward as the amount of text varies up and down the watch.
 
Actually, glucose monitoring would have a large market. It's estimated that nearly 10% of the US population have diabetes.

Won't happen because glucose monitoring with only lights still does not work. Even those new meters where you stick something on your arm and just use NFC to get a reading have a small needle in your arm.
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But the puck still inserts a needle in your arm.

And the insurance company won’t cover the cost of buying a meter or the pucks, so any new testing technology is a moot point from my financial perspective. I’ve been diabetic for decades, and my fingers have been poked probably tens of thousands of times to test my sugar levels. I would appreciate any improvements in the testing process.
 
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Heart rate measurements via wearables are never really that accurate.
They might not be very accurate but I found them to be very reproducible, meaning for the same activity under the same circumstances, I get pretty much the same results. There are situations when the measurements become unreliable but they are limited and easily identifiable.

Mostly, it's cadence lock (displayed heart rate is actually the step frequency). As I know my step frequency and roughly what my heart rate should be in various scenarios, that is an easily identifiable situation. Occasionally it's an unwarranted rise into peak territory which never lasts more than a few minutes and might be followed by complete dropout (no heart rate displayed) that also might occur on its own.
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I've seen interesting clock designs that show, for instance, a (still round with pointers) 24 hour clock, where midnight is at the bottom and noon is at the top, with accurate/updating indications of the "light half" and "dark half" of the day.
You might like an app like DayLight.One.
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If you don't like complications interfering with the watch, then a square design is best. I like an analog look. The square design allows me to put complications outside the watch face. I had a Moto360, all complications are inside the face. And reading text is awkward as the amount of text varies up and down the watch.

Yeah I can see how it can get cluttered. I mean I actually don't like the complications at all which (of course in my own opinion and tastes) makes the rectangular design un-optimized. I like a clean basic watch and when I need to view information not pertinent to time I can just swipe into the necessary applications.
 
Question for all re: glucose monitoring...

While I see the benefit for diabetics, I am still a bit hung on how this is done without needles and that creates a fragmented product line where some models of the watch would have this needle and some would not, right?

I would think there would be a premium on a watch that could do that.
 
Question for all re: glucose monitoring...

While I see the benefit for diabetics, I am still a bit hung on how this is done without needles and that creates a fragmented product line where some models of the watch would have this needle and some would not, right?

I would think there would be a premium on a watch that could do that.

It doesn't work without needles. There is research on monitoring glucose with light, but so far they are not successful enough to be relied on.

As far as a needle on the watch, no, would not work. First, the wrist is not optimal for a needle, it moves too much. Second, the current systems, the "puck". goes on the upper arm, is stuck in place and lasts a month. It needs to be glued so the small needle does not come out. I, for one, do not want to have to have my watch so tight on my wrist, and stick myself with my watch every time I put it on.
 
It doesn't work without needles. There is research on monitoring glucose with light, but so far they are not successful enough to be relied on.

As far as a needle on the watch, no, would not work. First, the wrist is not optimal for a needle, it moves too much. Second, the current systems, the "puck". goes on the upper arm, is stuck in place and lasts a month. It needs to be glued so the small needle does not come out. I, for one, do not want to have to have my watch so tight on my wrist, and stick myself with my watch every time I put it on.

I can almost guarantee that there will not be an invasive procedure applied by Apple.

As far as noninvasive methods, there are actually quite a few rising devices that are able to provide more than acceptable accuracy. It will probably be another year or two before these are passed down to the wearable segment and I think it will be too cost prohibitive for a mainstream consumer device right away but there definitely is hope.
 
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I would love it if I could use a Mac to set up an Apple Watch. Wanted one for some time now, but still using an old iPhone (4") and were planning to get one once I decide to upgrade. Having access to some of the health info, would make planning my training and food consumption easier, and then it would be interesting to see how I perform over time.

Trust me, you’re never buying an Apple Watch. You’re just a tire kicker.
 
Question for all re: glucose monitoring...

While I see the benefit for diabetics, I am still a bit hung on how this is done without needles and that creates a fragmented product line where some models of the watch would have this needle and some would not, right?

I would think there would be a premium on a watch that could do that.

The last time I saw anything in print about Apple Watch and glucose monitoring it was in Mac9to5, where they said it was intended to be non invasive (no needles) but also that it was years away. I don’t know if Apple is even working on that feature anymore.


//Edit-here’s the article— https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5mac.com/2017/12/27/nyt-apple-watch-glucose-monitoring/amp/
 
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It doesn't work without needles. There is research on monitoring glucose with light, but so far they are not successful enough to be relied on.

As far as a needle on the watch, no, would not work. First, the wrist is not optimal for a needle, it moves too much. Second, the current systems, the "puck". goes on the upper arm, is stuck in place and lasts a month. It needs to be glued so the small needle does not come out. I, for one, do not want to have to have my watch so tight on my wrist, and stick myself with my watch every time I put it on.

The last time I saw anything in print about Apple Watch and glucose monitoring it was in Mac9to5, where they said it was intended to be non invasive (no needles) but also that it was years away. I don’t know if Apple is even working on that feature anymore.


//Edit-here’s the article— https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5mac.com/2017/12/27/nyt-apple-watch-glucose-monitoring/amp/

Do any of you know if Apple is partnering with device manufacturers for ease in tracking blood sugar, though?
 
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HKSJ2LL/A/one-drop-chrome-blood-glucose-monitoring-kit?fnode=4a&fs=f=healthmonitor&fh=35f7%2B45f8

Also Dexcom has a CGM (Continuous Glucose Monitoring) system with a companion app for the iPhone and Watch.

None of those are wearable, non-invasive devices. The link is just an expensive, sleek looking standard lancet type kit. The Dexcom is a needle, stick to your arm puck that we've been talking about. That it can send results to your phone is nice, but it's not what we're talking about when we say having the watch monitor glucose. The holy grail is having non-invasive sensors be able to monitor blood sugar. As in the light based sensors in the back of the watch. Whoever brings that to market will make a fortune.

If all I have to do to take my glucose level in the morning is put on my watch. And before a meal, hit a button on the watch that automatically records the reading, then when I'm done eating, hit a button that will have it record in 2 hours, I'd be all over that. So would most diabetics that can afford the technology.
 
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None of those are wearable, non-invasive devices. The link is just an expensive, sleek looking standard lancet type kit. The Dexcom is a needle, stick to your arm puck that we've been talking about. That it can send results to your phone is nice, but it's not what we're talking about when we say having the watch monitor glucose. The holy grail is having non-invasive sensors be able to monitor blood sugar. As in the light based sensors in the back of the watch. Whoever brings that to market will make a fortune.

If all I have to do to take my glucose level in the morning is put on my watch. And before a meal, hit a button on the watch that automatically records the reading, then when I'm done eating, hit a button that will have it record in 2 hours, I'd be all over that. So would most diabetics that can afford the technology.

What I believe he was asking about, and seems clear in his question, is if Apple is partnering with device manufactures for
ease in tracking blood sugar
which the answer is yes they have.
 
What I believe he was asking about, and seems clear in his question, is if Apple is partnering with device manufactures for
which the answer is yes they have.
The question that sparked that part of the discussion is the watch being able to monitor blood sugar, not the watch interacting with a monitor.
 
The question that sparked that part of the discussion is the watch being able to monitor blood sugar, not the watch interacting with a monitor.

Correct and the question concluding the discussion was what is available to help track blood sugar. Apple will most likely never pursue it first. They will very much continue with their current path of letting vendors incorporate their systems into the watch like the Dexcom G6 which can operate directly with the Watch/Phone. Tim Cook has stated he does not want to pursue the FDA gauntlet for the Watch. NIGCM will be years away in everyday consumer devices. I'd love to see it, when I got to use an iPad for the first time to confirm an infarction I was quite amazed. I really do hope this technology progresses.

It would add so much life-saving potential, not just at the consumer level but at the pre-hospital/hospital level. EMT's in a lot of jurisdictions don't have a scope of practice to be able to take blood sugar so generally practiced is the administration of glucose to a patient if they believe blood sugar has to do with it which can be bad when you push a persons sugar higher when it was already high enough to cause symptoms but there isn't much of an alternative for them. A device that works like a pulse-oximetry but for blood glucose would be outstanding.
 
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Correct and the question concluding the discussion was what is available to help track blood sugar. Apple will most likely never pursue it first. They will very much continue with their current path of letting vendors incorporate their systems into the watch like the Dexcom G6 which can operate directly with the Watch/Phone. Tim Cook has stated he does not want to pursue the FDA gauntlet for the Watch. NiGCM will be years away in everyday consumer devices. I'd love to see it, when I got to use an iPad for the first time to confirm an infarction I was quite amazed. I really do hope this technology progresses.

It would add so much life-saving potential, not just at the consumer level but at the pre-hospital/hospital level. EMT's in a lot of jurisdictions don't have a scope of practice to be able to take blood sugar so generally practiced is the administration of glucose to a patient if they believe blood sugar has to do with it which can be bad when you push a persons sugar higher when it was already high enough to cause symptoms but there isn't much of an alternative for them. A device that works like a pulse-oximetry but for blood glucose would be outstanding.

It's the Holy Grail. I would not be surprised that by the time it's ready, either it will be incorporated in the watch, or Apple will have bands that can accept data from bands, and they will let the device manufacturers build the monitor in a band that displays on the watch.
 
Question for all re: glucose monitoring...

While I see the benefit for diabetics, I am still a bit hung on how this is done without needles and that creates a fragmented product line where some models of the watch would have this needle and some would not, right?

I would think there would be a premium on a watch that could do that.

I think it’s more likely the glucose monitor will be a stand-alone accessory which hooks up to your iPhone or Apple Watch via Bluetooth and syncs to HealthKit.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/18/tim-cook-testing-apple-watch-glucose-monitor/

In the very least, Tim Cook is not going to be pricking himself with needles all day.

My guess is that this is the future of the Apple Watch. To serve as the brains for an entire ecosystem of health-tracking wearables you wear on you all day. I don’t need to be a diabetic to wear a glucose monitor. Make one that is seamless and convenient to use all day and I don’t mind using it.

This is arguably where Apple has an edge over conventional medical device manufacturers - their emphasis and expertise in design, wireless tech and miniaturisation, as well as the power of the Apple ecosystem, their retail stores, plus their own custom processors and software.
 
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Yes, I'm familiar with such apps. I wasn't saying "it'd be neat if there were apps with different clocks", I was saying "I want to see Apple do things like this on the Apple Watch."
I know, I was mentioning this just in case you hadn't come across such apps.
 
As long as they keep the strap connector as a standard (which I really, really, think they should) so everyone can keep using their existing straps everything will be just fine.
Looking back at MagSafe and the dock connector my guess is they will eventually change it, but hopefully we get another 4-5 years before they do.
 
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I've got heart disease and I like mechanical watches. So I never purchased an Apple Watch. However, I will purchase the Apple watch model with EKG monitoring if that ever becomes a reality. My cardiologist (and I) will be very happy if we can study my EKG without the cumbersome halter, or the 3rd party EKG band.
 
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