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What if there is no god and we, as a species, as a society, as a culture - are *all* that is responsible for our own actions?

With or without a 'God' - aren't we supposed to be anyway? It is not as if a supreme being made someone do their actions or prevent them.

We have to be better than this - I hope, but in reality more and more of this crap keeps happening.
 
What if there is no god and we, as a species, as a society, as a culture - are *all* that is responsible for our own actions?

[sarcasm] humans being resposible for their own actions? you must be insane. Don't you know that raping (this incident) and killing people (crusades, among countless other examples) is the will of their god? They have no control over their actions, they're just doing what the man from the book said to do. [/sarcasm]
 
And I wonder what criminals in jail might do to people like this. Yes, they are in jail themselves, but if they found what these kids did to be absolutely sick, but I wonder if they'd beat these kids a little......maybe harrass them? I hope so....

:eek: your jails must be a little different than those in the United States... here, a little beating and harassing would be the very least of those kids' problems once they got to prison.
 
No matter where you are in the world some people are just nuts. In Africa some men(from 1 tribe) cut off womens(of another tribe) breasts so they can't feed their babies. Look at Taiwan and all the underage child prostitution. In Pakistan if a woman is raped she has to have at least 3 witnesses to prove her case. If she can't prove it the she is stoned to death. Also, a young girl was sentenced to be gang raped for a punishment for what her younger brother did. In the U.S.A a couple of days ago a man was caught having sex with a dead deer. If people(aliens) live on Mars I'm sure they do some crazy stuff there too.
 
Things like this remind me of Ray Bradbury's "Farenheit 451" (I think that's the book). I haven't read it in years, but I still remember the part where some kids in a car run over a pedestrian while speeding down the road and laughing about it afterwards. I thought the book was a profound commentary on where our times are heading (to some extent). It's like these people have forgotten how to think, or are growing up without any sort of rational conscience. Life is all about selfishness and pleasure to them. In any case, the whole thing is repulsive and so sad to see.
 
[sarcasm] humans being resposible for their own actions? you must be insane. Don't you know that raping (this incident) and killing people (crusades, among countless other examples) is the will of their god? They have no control over their actions, they're just doing what the man from the book said to do. [/sarcasm]

Whether there is a God or not has nothing to do with anything...people are still responsible for their own actions. It's utterly abominable to justify any wrong action by referring to God.

Scarlet Fever is right on - the idiots are on their own as far as their behaviour goes.
 
Whether there is a God or not has nothing to do with anything...people are still responsible for their own actions. It's utterly abominable to justify any wrong action by referring to God.

Scarlet Fever is right on - the idiots are on their own as far as their behaviour goes.
You're probably preaching to the converted on an English language forum :D
 
I probably shouldn't say this -off topic, perhaps- but it seems like some of those ridiculous tv evangelists are really encouraging irresponsibility with their vague 'saved for life' theology.

If someone actually believed that they were 'saved' no matter what they did...and that they were destined for 'heaven' no matter what...it's not good.

Agnostics like me might not have a fear of hell, but we also don't expect any sort of afterlife so that sort of helps keep a person decent too.
 
I probably shouldn't say this -off topic, perhaps- but it seems like some of those ridiculous tv evangelists are really encouraging irresponsibility with their vague 'saved for life' theology.

If someone actually believed that they were 'saved' no matter what they did...and that they were destined for 'heaven' no matter what...it's not good.

Agnostics like me might not have a fear of hell, but we also don't expect any sort of afterlife so that sort of helps keep a person decent too.
I hear you, brother. But I imagine those TV Evangelists are as much an anathema to other non-Americans as they are to me so other Americans' opinions would be more telling than mine.
 
I hear you, brother. But I imagine those TV Evangelists are as much an anathema to other non-Americans as they are to me so other Americans' opinions would be more telling than mine.

Weird. America has the world's largest porn industry and more tv evangelists than the rest of the world combined. I just don't get Americans.
 
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