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Thats where youre wrong. You need to have a forward thinking mindset, not a right-this-instant mindset.
Yes HSPA+ speeds without enhanced backhaul are similar to HSPA speeds. The point is, ATT is adding enhanced backhoul to many cities right now, which will increase the speeds.

Also t-mobile has some blazing fast HSPA+ speeds this instant.

So a phone that is capable of accessing those speeds will be crucial so as to not be left behind. 2 years (contract length) is a lot of time for new developments.

HSPA+ has been around for minute. It's no better than HSPA . I'm talking about At&T, not T Mobile.

You sound like a AT&T rep....att is full of it.

I shouldn't have to use forward thining, If a company tells me my phone is "4G" and its just as fast if not slower than 3G...do you not see the problem?

I would think Att speeds will increase after fully taking over t-mobile but I fear it will just remain the same.
 
I don't care. It's more important to release the iPhone 5 ASAP so they can move on & give all focus to the A6 chip and total convergence of iOS & OS X.

That way those of us who use our Apple computers professionally will know just how much the impact of iOS will have on them. Perfect for the "gee whiz" club with wiggly apps and eye candy. The real question will be if the entire Mac lineup will then be targeted at the novice users.
 
HSPA+ has been around for minute. It's no better than HSPA . I'm talking about At&T, not T Mobile.

You sound like a AT&T rep....att is full of it.

I shouldn't have to use forward thining, If a company tells me my phone is "4G" and its just as fast if not slower than 3G...do you not see the problem?

I would think Att speeds will increase after fully taking over t-mobile but I fear it will just remain the same.

Here lets settle this:

You are offered two phones at identical prices and terms. One has HSPA, the other HSPA+. Which one would you take?

If you're going to try and say you'd take the HSPA one, we'll all know you're just trying to be right and aren't using any sort of rational thought.
 
I certainly hope it does. It'd be pathetic if the HP Veer has HSPA+ but the new iPhone doesn't. I'm looking to get a new smartphone this fall and I know I wouldn't bother with the new iPhone if it doesn't have HSPA+.
 
Here is the link: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2390323,00.asp

PC Mag credible enough? or you can google it and see all the other sources that quoted it.
With a sample pool of 216 respondents... NO. Not a credible survey at all.
They should be ashamed of themselves for even putting it up.


But lets go with it... if you READ the results, only 17% of the people polled had Android phones and of that 17%, only 42% said they would go to an iPhone.

Among existing Android users, 47 percent said they expected their next phone to be an Android device and 42 percent planned to switch to an iPhone.

The 64% number was of all respondents of which 29% were already iPhone owners.

Hell, the "What is your current phone?" Chart doesn't even match real world distribution numbers.

28% were Blackberry users for Pete's sake!
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And if you want to go all "Statistics 101", Android percentages were flat from the before and after sample questioning.

HSPA+ has been around for minute. It's no better than HSPA . I'm talking about At&T, not T Mobile.

You sound like a AT&T rep....att is full of it.

I shouldn't have to use forward thining, If a company tells me my phone is "4G" and its just as fast if not slower than 3G...do you not see the problem?

I would think Att speeds will increase after fully taking over t-mobile but I fear it will just remain the same.

HSPA+ has been around (deployed) for over 3 years. (T-Mobile started their first roll out back in 2008)
It kills HSPA in both uplink and downlink speeds.

As for AT&T, they purposefully throttled all Android and Windows Phone 7 4G (HSPA+) phones by forcing the vendors to lock the HSUPA channel to 300Kbps transfer rates. This killed ping times and made the phone slower than non-HSPA+ devices.
The iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 were faster as a results since Apple does not allow carriers to modify the baseband.

AT&T lifted the HSUPA block back in March after a lot of pissed off users threatened class action lawsuits when the block was discovered.
Motorola released the radio update for my Atrix on March 28 and now it kills my iPhone in both upload and download speeds.
 
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